I just couldnt get over how stupid it looked controlling her from behind like a walking wardrobe cabinet with THUMP THUMP footsteps.
It looked so thrown on so they could have all the United colors of Benetton in their game.
Most of the people giving this game grief are slowly letting their bigotry be known so this shouldn't surprise anyone.
Complaining about social media using social media. Like when that girl called Chatterbox to complain about phones.I blame a lot of things on the creation of social media. I genuinely do despise it & everything it's done to our world. I think it was one of the worst inventions in the entirety of human history.
Complaining about social media using social media. Like when that girl called Chatterbox to complain about phones.
It is possible to avoid facebook, twitter forums and the like if you hate them so much. Like most inventions they have a good side and a bad one. You woudn't say automovils are the worst inventions ever since millions have died because of them and the pollution they emit. Worst inventions are tha atomic bomb or the selfie stick.
Only because of Lev and Abby doesn't know who killed her friends so she's willing to kill indiscriminately, even unborn babies. Not a good character trait you can empathize with.
Abby and Ellie avoid questioning each other about their killings which also a bit of a head scratcher.
1. Joel killed her father. Hence, her bloodlust is understandable.
2. She lives in a post-apocalyptic world of lawlessness and violence, in which factions ruthlessly combat one another.
3. Via the gameplay of the previous game and the sequel, it's demonstrated that beating people to death with blunt instruments (e.g. hammers, wooded boards/ sticks, wrenches, etc) is quite normal and is something that Joel (under the player's control) does repeatedly.
Hence, it's understandable that she killed Joel and that she did so by beating him to death with a blunt instrument.
Even though we and Joel may think that Joel's decision to kill Abby's father was moral, she obviously doesn't agree because she, her father, and the Fireflies felt that sacrificing Ellie for the greater good was necessary. Hence, from her perspective, Joel was wrong - or was at least wrong for killing her father (since Joel didn't actually have to kill her father in order to rescue Ellie).
Again you're excusing murdering because it fits your narrative. If she was merciful (your words not mine), she would forgive Joel or at least listen to his side of the story, instead of brutally murdering him. Despite what Joel did, two wrongs doesn't make a right. What Joel did was wrong, but at least he had good intentions for doing what he did, Abby did what she did for selfish reasons, so anyone who can sympathize with this piece of trash is also a piece of trash.
1. Do you find it surprising that Tommy and Ellie didn't just move on after the way Abby dealt with Joel? She didn't spare them, Owen reigned her in. Her main beef should be with Tommy who tried to kill her multiple times, she doesn't know how much Ellie is involved. Her animosity towards Ellie is unjustified with what she knows up to that point.1. I admitted that she ultimately decided to spare Dina and Ellie only because of Lev's plea. However, considering that she had already spared Ellie and Tommy earlier in the game and that her decision to do so resulted in Ellie killing three of her friends (i.e. Nora, Owen, and Mel, though I don't know if she's aware of Nora's death) and Tommy killing another of her friends (i.e. Manny), it's understandable that she attempted to Kill Tommy (and believed that she was successful) and it's understandable that she would have otherwise killed Ellie and Dina.
2. Abby does know who killed her friends, which is how she tracked down Ellie at the theater; Ellie left her map in the aquarium, where she killed Owen and Mel; on her map, she doodled information that Abby used to track her. Abby even says to Ellie, "You killed my friends. We let you live and you wasted it." So, she wasn't killing indiscriminately. She may not have known exactly who killed who and in what context, but she could reasonably conclude that Ellie (and Tommy) were responsible; why else would they be in Seattle and not back in Jackson?
I have a question: for those who didn’t like the game, would you ever buy another game with Neil Druckmann involved?
So you didn't play TLOU2? If you don't like certain types of games that's fine. You didn t like ND's output so they aren't the game developers for you. Not liking TLOU means you should have no interest in a sequel. I'm not a huge fan of Battle Royale games but i dont hang around reading everything from Fortnite's Twitter account. I don't see why his social media would affect you then, or his politics in games you don't like. If Druckmann had no social media you wouldn't have bought the sequel, so what's your problem?Never again. I did not buy TLOU2, mainly because I did not like TLOU. I found it "meh" at best, I was bored most of the time and still don't understand the love of that game. However I usually like to play major releases just to experience the moment with others, and alot of what he has said and done on twitter/social media over the years has completely turned me off of anything his name is on. I will never give another dollar to ND as long as he's involved. He's just another grifter like Anita (At least he has skills for this industry), I wish he could leave his nonsense politics out of every aspect of things and just make FUN video games. Oh wait, ND isn't allowed to strive to make FUN games anymore. Fuck Druck
So you didn't play TLOU2? If you don't like certain types of games that's fine. You didn t like ND's output so they aren't the game developers for you. Not liking TLOU means you should have no interest in a sequel. I'm not a huge fan of Battle Royale games but i dont hang around reading everything from Fortnite's Twitter account. I don't see why his social media would affect you then, or his politics in games you don't like. If Druckmann had no social media you wouldn't have bought the sequel, so what's your problem?
You said you wouldn't play TLOU2 mainly because you didn't like the first game. You were not giving the game a chance. So what social media comments exactly did he make that offended you?I guess I didn't explain, up until Druck I LOVED Naughty Dog games, some of my all time favorites before he came along. And all honesty like I said, I would have bought this game just to play it and experience it had it not been for him and his beliefs and bullshit he spouts on the internet. So had he not had a Social Media I damn sure would have given the game a chance. The user asked a question, I answered it to why I didn't/won't buy in the future.
You said you wouldn't play TLOU2 mainly because you didn't like the first game. You were not giving the game a chance. So what social media comments exactly did he make that offended you?
No I'm not. Your argument was weak and it was obvious you are uncomfortable with either lesbians, trans people or well built women. I can't really figure out what your issue is otherwise. So yeah, you're out when you don't know the jist of his awful tweets that offended you. I was looking for the harmful political views you believe him to have, not a link to a tweet in 2015 or something. I wouldn't be so hurt? I'm just wondering how someone who didn't like the first game won't play the second because of politics of the director rather than because you didn't like the first game.I'm not digging through his past to appease you, user asked a question, I answered. I am not looking for a fucking debate here with you. Clearly you are a fan, otherwise you wouldn't be so hurt that I don't support it/him. I'm out
Yes it did 100 percent.
The medium will never be taken seriously as an art form because these idiots.Ah Gamers...….this certainly helps the stereotype.
Never again. I did not buy TLOU2, mainly because I did not like TLOU. I found it "meh" at best, I was bored most of the time and still don't understand the love of that game. However I usually like to play major releases just to experience the moment with others, and alot of what he has said and done on twitter/social media over the years has completely turned me off of anything his name is on. I will never give another dollar to ND as long as he's involved. He's just another grifter like Anita (At least he has skills for this industry), I wish he could leave his nonsense politics out of every aspect of things and just make FUN video games. Oh wait, ND isn't allowed to strive to make FUN games anymore. Fuck Druck
So long as people don't provide receipts on how Neil has been a hateful person towards his the fans I'm just gonna have to call BS on any "justified" hate towards him. Onus is always on the people making claims.
Also I thought this place was different than ERA, I thought this place could separate the art from the artist or it just the same with the other site, but only for different views?
He has never been hateful towards his fans. I understand not agreeing with his politics but he seems like your garden variety liberal. Can anybody point to anything he has done that would warrant this kind of vitriol?So long as people don't provide receipts on how Neil has been a hateful person towards his the fans I'm just gonna have to call BS on any "justified" hate towards him. Onus is always on the people making claims.
Also I thought this place was different than ERA, I thought this place could separate the art from the artist or it just the same with the other site, but only for different views?
Receipt: TloU2So long as people don't provide receipts on how Neil has been a hateful person towards his the fans I'm just gonna have to call BS on any "justified" hate towards him.
And yet some fans love the game, so that's not really a receipt, that's just your view on what constitutes hate. He took a risk when making this game knowing some people would love/hate it, that is not hateful, sure it may seem hateful to you but it ain't it. When I ask for receipts I'm asking for statements made by him.Receipt: TloU2
Subverting expectations in a way fans won't like, on purpose with the full knowledge that fans won't like it... what is that, if not hateful?
I happen to love the game and it is selling like hot cakes so how is that hateful?Receipt: TloU2
Subverting expectations in a way fans won't like, on purpose with the full knowledge that fans won't like it... what is that, if not hateful?
...I thought this place was different than ERA, I thought this place could separate the art from the artist or it just the same with the other site, but only for different views?
What's good for the game isn't necessarily good for the fans. Everything ND has done is in service of telling an interesting story. The story is richer and has more emotional weight because of the choices ND made.Receipt: TloU2
Subverting expectations in a way fans won't like, on purpose with the full knowledge that fans won't like it... what is that, if not hateful?
I think he comes off as someone who believes in what he preaches, is that considered hateful though? I don't think his game tries to shove his views down your throat like some people seem to think. I can understand not liking the direction of the game from a storytelling point of view, but not a political oneWhat's with the "this place" talk?
This is a forum. There are loads of different people here from all over the world, with loads of different opinions on things.
You're from Australia. I'm from Scotland. I think Neil Druckman is damn good at what he does. I've loved most of his work. At the same time I think he comes across as a bit of a virtue signalling drama queen. What do you think?
1. I admitted that she ultimately decided to spare Dina and Ellie only because of Lev's plea. However, considering that she had already spared Ellie and Tommy earlier in the game and that her decision to do so resulted in Ellie killing three of her friends (i.e. Nora, Owen, and Mel, though I don't know if she's aware of Nora's death) and Tommy killing another of her friends (i.e. Manny), it's understandable that she attempted to Kill Tommy (and believed that she was successful) and it's understandable that she would have otherwise killed Ellie and Dina.
2. Abby does know who killed her friends, which is how she tracked down Ellie at the theater; Ellie left her map in the aquarium, where she killed Owen and Mel; on her map, she doodled information that Abby used to track her. Abby even says to Ellie, "You killed my friends. We let you live and you wasted it." So, she wasn't killing indiscriminately. She may not have known exactly who killed who and in what context, but she could reasonably conclude that Ellie (and Tommy) were responsible; why else would they be in Seattle and not back in Jackson?
I don't think the argument that she was merciful holds up. Not only was she held back by her friends, she could have just killed Joel fast but instead decided to torture him and kill him slowly, without mentioning how she was glad to murder a pregnant woman and almost did it. She's a psychopath and it's a wonder how Druckmann believed anyone would feel empathy for someone like that.
No, never.I have a question: for those who didn’t like the game, would you ever buy another game with Neil Druckmann involved?
Again you're excusing murdering because it fits your narrative. If she was merciful (your words not mine), she would forgive Joel or at least listen to his side of the story, instead of brutally murdering him. Despite what Joel did, two wrongs doesn't make a right. What Joel did was wrong, but at least he had good intentions for doing what he did, Abby did what she did for selfish reasons, so anyone who can sympathize with this piece of trash is also a piece of trash.
You said you wouldn't play TLOU2 mainly because you didn't like the first game. You were not giving the game a chance. So what social media comments exactly did he make that offended you?
Again you're excusing murdering because it fits your narrative. If she was merciful (your words not mine), she would forgive Joel or at least listen to his side of the story, instead of brutally murdering him. Despite what Joel did, two wrongs doesn't make a right. What Joel did was wrong, but at least he had good intentions for doing what he did, Abby did what she did for selfish reasons, so anyone who can sympathize with this piece of trash is also a piece of trash.
1. Do you find it surprising that Tommy and Ellie didn't just move on after the way Abby dealt with Joel? She didn't spare them, Owen reigned her in. Her main beef should be with Tommy who tried to kill her multiple times, she doesn't know how much Ellie is involved. Her animosity towards Ellie is unjustified with what she knows up to that point.
2. Abby's assumes guilt by association is not a reasonable conclusion, especially after what she's witnessed with the Scars she helped earlier. Abby killed and was willing to kill people not involved with Mel and Owen so how is she not killing indiscriminately?
Yes it did 100 percent.
So Ellie hunting down and trying to kill Abby is also selfish and anyone that sympathises with her is a piece of trash?
I think he comes off as someone who believes in what he preaches, is that considered hateful though? I don't think his game tries to shove his views down your throat like some people seem to think. I can understand not liking the direction of the game from a storytelling point of view, but not a political one
The "this place" comment is just my personal view. Because forums can be compared even if the empirical evidence isn't strong enough to compare, it can still be done so.
+1I was making the point that GAF doesn't hold one single view, like a hive-mind or the Borg or something. There are plenty of people here capable of separating the art from the artist. There are some who can't. It's a forum that welcomes opposing viewpoints & opinions.
Sorry, I don't know if it's an error in quoting me or not. I can separate artist from art. I asked another poster for what the offending politics that Druckmann held on social media. The poster admitted to not liking the first game and wasn't buying the sequel, but was disturbed by Druckmann's beliefs.So you can't separate the artist from the art?
Uncalled for comments. Someone please protect Neil, preferably a strong toxically masculine man.
1. You must not have been paying attention to Abby's perspective of the scene in which she kills Joel; she consciously decides to spare Ellie and Tommy. Manny, Mel, and her friend who was cut in the face by Ellie suggest that they kill Ellie and Tommy, and the latter of them even charges toward Ellie with the intention of killing her. However, Abby says to him and everyone else, "Stop. We're done."
Go to 8:44.
2. She may not know who exactly killed which of her friends, but the fact that the location to which Ellie's map led her was occupied by a group of people indicates that said group of people were working in concert and came to Seattle to kill her and her friends. Hence, as a group, they're all responsible for the deaths of Owen, Mel, and Manny (as well as Nora, though I don't think that Abby's aware of Nora's death).
3. If a group of people decide to come to your town for the purpose of killing you and your friends but only one or two of the group actually commits the killings, the entire group is still responsible, because the members of the group who did not commit the killings still facilitated the killings by helping the ones who actually performed the killings.
4. You imply that Abby's beef is mainly with Ellie and that this is unreasonable because Abby doesn't know that Ellie is responsible for killing any of her friends. However, this is an incorrect conclusion; when Abby arrives at the theater, she doesn't focus on Ellie until Ellie tells her that she is the one whom Abby should be targeting. When Abby arrives at the theater, she focuses on Tommy, because he's the only person she initially discovers and is the person who killed Manny. She then kills Jesse because he startles her, and she targets Ellie because Ellie, as already stated, tells Abby that she is the one whom Abby should be targeting. She targets Dina because Dina attacks her, because Dina is part of the group (see my 3rd point), and because she wants to do to Ellie what Ellie did to her (i.e. Ellie killed her pregnant friend, Mel).
I hope I don't shoot myself in the foot by saying this, but as the face of an entire web community, just a bit more of style in your comment would go a long way.
Sorry, I don't know if it's an error in quoting me or not. I can separate artist from art. I asked another poster for what the offending politics that Druckmann held on social media. The poster admitted to not liking the first game and wasn't buying the sequel, but was disturbed by Druckmann's beliefs.
I hear that argument so often about his politics but no one can give me a breakdown of it in ND's games and why his pov is wrong.