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[Luipadre]

Sales figure threads have always been among the most popular on GAF, for the past 25+ years. It's one of the founding pillars of discussion here, since we're industry focused.

CCU topics have never been this toxic. Its not just this forum tho, its everywhere.

 

[Ziglax]

NeoGAF is used by certain people to convey a particular political propaganda, just as ResetEra is. I wish the central topic of this forum were video games and not whatever this is becoming.
The world is turning to shit because certain influential powers are turning people against each other using the Internet and media. Don't fall into this trap; keep your own critical spirit.

 

[Odinnii]

Okay, but what about regular OT game threads? We're supposed to ignore threads about a games we want to discuss, instead of the people who post a litany of gifs and memes about the same jokes thats been made hundred times? Thats what the Horizon multiplayer thread has become; mostly people just complaining about it being woke trash.


Again, why should the people who want to actually discuss the games they want to play be forced to ignore whole OT threads, instead of the people who have no intention of actually playing the game, but want spam memes and gifs about identity politics to derail the discussion? Thats so backwards and shows OP is right, because if the only solution is to ignore a thread, then that proves Gaf has become a an echo chamber for being anti woke if there is is no need for that to have any moderation.

Who is stopping you from discussing the game in the OT? the Saros OT is right there and is full of people talking about the game, just like the Marathon OT.
Horizon Hunter gathering is getting a negative reaction everywhere. If you want to creat a thread for a playtest or something I'm sure nobody is going to stop you .

 

[Prodyhig]

This place ain't perfect and we've had more people from the "woke" left join and are free to be here but don't get things twisted - on places like resetera or blue sky, you couldn't joke and broach subjects like here.

I'll give you some examples.

I'm a Christian conservative. Never changed. I've been this way since the Reagan era. I don't believe in being gay or approve of most of what the left is pushing with their LGTBBQ woke/cancel culture crap. That doesn't mean I can't coexist and not hate someone with a passion to the point of never listening or outright banning them because they tactfully share their differences of opinion.

I'm 100% of the instances on several social media sites and forums that are basically modern left socialists, you can do the same thing I said here but will likely be warned or banned. Meanwhile I can't even state that I'm conservative and the same respect I'm trying to show doesn't reciprocate.

And we have so many people in education, government, gaming, and everywhere that are pushing this upfront or subliminally in media to the kids.

As a migrant who came here because of what this country offers, I respect the hell out this place more than the privelaged who are born here thinking richness is a right of passage.

That's the difference that this country was founded on. Merit and hard work. Everywhere has history of stupid stuff and this country is no different. This country just pulled up it's sleeves and worked to make it the power that it is now.

The same people who enjoy being able to protest are the ones who want the system in place that allows them to act a fool to be toppled and be replaced with basically communism.

Go live in Cuba or North Korea and see how good you have it.

The TC reads like someone who hasn't stepped back and looked at this big picture. And a lot of those leftist (by US standards) think that everyone else is drinking the cool aid. Shame.

Your reflection is very interesting. I come from Spain, a country that was more Catholic than the Vatican itself.

But Spain wasn't founded by immigrants like the United States, since it's a colonized country where tribes of different kinds lived, as is the case in South America.

I think the problem in the United States is the pendulum effect. Now, with Trump, the pendulum is swinging more to the right, but as you rightly say, the pendulum swung much further to the left.

I think you've had many problems with racism, especially against African Americans, in very dark times, where seeing people segregated because of their skin color is basically like living in Nazi Germany.

That caused the pendulum to swing very far to the right, and that's what led to it swinging very far to the left in recent years.

Western society, in general, struggles to find that middle ground on the pendulum, and extremes always emerge, which are ultimately truly negative.

I am a right-wing voter in my country; I have never voted for the left.

 

[Clear]

OP was a bit histrionic about it (to say the least) but I've been arguing the same fundamental point that rabidly woke and "anti-woke" types suck equally because they are both obsessed -to the exclusion of everything else- with ensuring the dominance of their politics.

Its tiresome, and I'd much prefer to get back to enjoying games and arguing about other stupid stuff like platform wars!

The endless moral grandstanding is fuckin exhausting!

 

[Prodyhig]

OP was a bit histrionic about it (to say the least) but I've been arguing the same fundamental point that rabidly woke and "anti-woke" types suck equally because they are both obsessed -to the exclusion of everything else- with ensuring the dominance of their politics.

Its tiresome, and I'd much prefer to get back to enjoying games and arguing about other stupid stuff like platform wars!

The endless moral grandstanding is fuckin exhausting!

The console wars are sadly over.

But it was definitely more interesting to be talking about PlayStation 3 vs. Xbox 360 than about politics.

 

[Roman Empire]

Someone got mad about Marathon's CCU title change and Saros, huh? lol

Not even worth the meltdown. Talk about weak-willed person.

 

[tkminus]

This is how people view themselves in social media.

Please dont get too attached to it.

 

[tkminus]

OP was a bit histrionic about it (to say the least) but I've been arguing the same fundamental point that rabidly woke and "anti-woke" types suck equally because they are both obsessed -to the exclusion of everything else- with ensuring the dominance of their politics.

Its tiresome, and I'd much prefer to get back to enjoying games and arguing about other stupid stuff like platform wars!

The endless moral grandstanding is fuckin exhausting!

the grifters got in the ragebait era, and people started believing them nonstop.

Remember the old guy that was playing with controller as a console wars? Well, that is the average gamers these days.

 

[PeteBull]

But why does he say "We're woke trash"?

What he's really complaining about is that we're the complete opposite.

I don't understand :/

Thats wokester for u, they muddy the watters, dont use logic, use incorrect definitions of the words( ask them what is a woman ):

Audre Lorde - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Basically modern day shamanism rofl

To know all her ideology was BS just check her personal life:

In 1962, Lorde married attorney Edwin Rollins, who was a White, gay man.Audre had been living openly as a lesbian since college, however due to homophobic discrimination, they both decided to remain closeted. Audre and Edwin maintained an open relationship, allowing each other to pursue same-sex relationships. She and Rollins divorced in 1970 after having two children, Elizabeth and Jonathan.

She married white attorney who was supposedly ghay but still had 2 kids with him, aka she got dat "providing and protection" from so hated rich white male after all (hypergamy tru the roof ).
Marring minority aka black man, who might be poor? Fuck that shit, adopting children since she was lesbian- fuck that shit either- once again u gotta look what those femists do, not what they say, to know of their true nature

Other women should stay childless and unmarried, but for her it was no brainer to go for white rich dude and make 2 kids (even tho she and her hubby were both supposedly homosexual )aka reproductive success to the highest degree

 

[Mayar]

The author's post is a bit weak this time around, lacking any spark or imagination...or logic...
If I ever want to leave Neogaf gracefully, I'll make a post about how almost all men on this forum always end up with Topher harem( The Official Topic Redux |OT| ), I think this is wrong and something definitely needs to be done about it...
Everyone deserves a little love...

 

[realcool]

I'm out. I can't deal with the constant, high-level Wokism that has infected this board. You guys think you're "anti-woke," but you're actually the most easily triggered, identity-obsessed snowflakes I've ever seen. You've turned NeoGAF into a literal safespace for professional victims.

You claim to hate "identity politics," yet 90% of the posts here are you guys obsessing over the identity of digital characters. You're doing "Representation Matters" in reverse. You're so fragile that if a character doesn't look exactly like your specific "identity" (angry, 40-year-old dude), you have a collective mental breakdown. That is the definition of Woke.

Every day it's the same thing: "The industry is out to get us! The developers hate us! The haircuts are a conspiracy!" You've adopted the ultimate victimhood narrative. You're literally crying over the "systemic oppression" of gamers because a character has blue hair. It's performative outrage, and it's embarrassing.

You've turned GAF into an echo chamber where you can protect each other from the "scary" real world. You can't handle a different opinion, you can't handle a realistic face model, and you certainly can't handle a protagonist who isn't a generic action figure. You've created a "Woke Safespace" for people who are scared of the 21st century.

You guys are the ones walking around with a checklist of things to be offended by.

• Same-sex couple in a cutscene? TRIGGERED. * Woman has a jawline? TRIGGERED. * Non-white person in a fantasy game? LITERAL SHAKING.

You aren't "based." You're just a bunch of sensitive Karens who want to speak to the manager of Sony because a protagonist's pants are too baggy. You're more obsessed with "diversity" than the people you complain about.

Enjoy your woke little clubhouse of victimhood.

"I'm not woke; YOU'RE WOKE!"

(tries to dramatically slam a pneumatically assisted door behind him)

 

[hououinkyouma00]

He is not totally wrong….

… but that is a undignified way to go.
If you don't like it just never log in again.
Don't create a scene.

Yeah. He's not wrong (horseshoe theory) but throwing a temper tantrum isn't the way to say it.

 

[tkminus]

( ask them what is a woman ):

I think you are going in different direction here. Dont want to get in to that topic, due to a ban,

The issue is crybabies that cry about how women look in video games. or having a black character in a video game or a movie.

 

[Knight of the Round]

Okay, but what about regular OT game threads? We're supposed to ignore threads about a games we want to discuss, instead of the people who post a litany of gifs and memes about the same jokes thats been made hundred times? Thats what the Horizon multiplayer thread has become; mostly people just complaining about it being woke trash.

I mean, sure, I get it - but what's the alternative? What are the OTs supposed to be? The 'talk about the game' threads, or the 'praise the game' threads? Do we make two threads about each game - a praise thread and a complain thread? And if the people who are complaining are more than the people who are praising, doesn't that imply that the haters are more than the praisers? And in such a case, should the majority shut up in order to please the minority?

Honestly, it's just video games. If you think you can't talk about the game here positively because people like me are shitting all over it, find the game's reddit (where positivity is encouraged, if not demanded) and talk about it there.

 

[bad guy]

no u

 

[nkarafo]

Can someone explain to me what a live thread is? Is it a joke or there's an actual difference in how it works?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[calico]

But why does he say "We're woke trash"?

What he's really complaining about is that we're the complete opposite.

I don't understand :/

When a word is as culturally effective as 'woke' has been you will often see attempts to 'both sides' its use to try to muddy the waters and lessen the effectiveness of the word or dissuade it from being used.

See also: 'please bros just stop using woke bros it doesn't mean anything anymore trust me bro nobody knows what you mean when you use it.'

See also: attempts to make TDS mean 'Trump Devotion Syndrome'.

The motivation is always the same: because the term is like a stake through their heart and they desperately want you to stop using it.

Interestingly, the normal people side is able to take words used by the activists and repurpose them successfully, because normal people make up the vast majority of society and with that comes the ability to overwhelm and dictate what words mean through common usage.

 

[tkminus]

Can someone explain to me what a live thread is? Is it a joke or there's an actual difference in how it works?

People who no touch grass, cry making posts about other users. That makes them get banned, because they dont touch grass.
Social media not RL.

 

[Cumulus]

What a manchild..

 

[tkminus]

Interestingly, the normal people side is able to take words used by the activists and repurpose them successfully, because normal people make up the vast majority of society and with that comes the ability to overwhelm and dictate what words mean through common usage.

are you an alien sir? Because I dont see those people.

 

[Madserb2023]

It's called being able to say what you want. I don't agree with everything said on here. I often get into disagreements, especially on the the more political threads, but I am still here posting. Been banned off forums that are much more aligned to my political beliefs just because I didn't agree with one thing. Saying I liked Hogwarts legacy was enough to ban me from most places. The OP like the rest of those who can't withstand a different view because his parents didn't tell him he is an idiot enough just want it to be like it here.

 

[geary]

 

[OmegaSupreme]

 

[Sohurmk833]

Marathons failure and Bungies impending doom doesn't seem to sit so well with certain people.

 

[Bodom78]

Was having a terrible day, but the laughter from this thread has really cheered me up NeoGAF Power!

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

CCU topics have never been this toxic. Its not just this forum tho, its everywhere.

Because people werent really informed on the topic. Now its become mainstream conversation.

Since the media is no longer a reliable source, people use another data to figure out about the state of a particular videogame and the industry, in general.

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

Didn't know the director of Soros had a Gaf account. Emphasis on had.

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

Goooooood!

 

[PlayStaytion]

Fucking hell what a woke faggot. Enjoy reee you triggered cunt.

Love from all of us over at team Xbox

Were you there back in 05?

 

[PeteBull]

I think you are going in different direction here. Dont want to get in to that topic, due to a ban,

The issue is crybabies that cry about how women look in video games. or having a black character in a video game or a movie.

Thats non-issume to me, u call those ppl crybabies, i call them secure enough to voice their opinion- it still can be questioned/argued by others so nothing wrong with it
Why would u wanna censor ppl? Its not north korea or china to only have "one and only one" right train of thoughts

 

[Darchaos]

Not suprised at all that this little thingy would crash-out sooner or later, have fun over at era bish

 

[PlayStaytion]

It's fine to disagree and vent, but getting this triggered and lashing out at the community for pointing out and pushing back against the bloody obvious is something else entirely.

But it's different when you do it for paychecks. You are dealing with real women here.

 

[tkminus]

Thats non-issume to me, u call those ppl crybabies, i call them secure enough to voice their opinion- it still can be questioned/argued by others so nothing wrong with it
Why would u wanna censor ppl? Its not north korea or china to only have "one and only one" right train of thoughts

That is not secure, that is crybaby. It is a pixel shit. You control character, you shoot. That is it. Their look is your last concern.
They could have cried about games being bad, levels not being good, or the map generally boring. But no, the looks of npc game matters alot for some reason.

At that point, just watch porn. Because you dont want to play a video game.

 

[Icymanipulator]

This made me smile , thanks for all the fish OP
Have a great life lol

 

[Lightbreak]

*wrong thread, please ignore*

This a good example of the toxicity… i said this exact phrase probably about a year ago and people are still hanging on it. Is just an opinion

 

[nemiroff]

I don't particularly like the most vocal segment of "anti-woke", it can be weirdly excessive at times. But I mean, you're on a forum where you can disagree without the need to melt down...

 

[Plague Doctor]

 

[seb85]

 

[Bernardougf]

I'm out. I can't deal with the constant, high-level Wokism that has infected this board. You guys think you're "anti-woke," but you're actually the most easily triggered, identity-obsessed snowflakes I've ever seen. You've turned NeoGAF into a literal safespace for professional victims.

You claim to hate "identity politics," yet 90% of the posts here are you guys obsessing over the identity of digital characters. You're doing "Representation Matters" in reverse. You're so fragile that if a character doesn't look exactly like your specific "identity" (angry, 40-year-old dude), you have a collective mental breakdown. That is the definition of Woke.

Every day it's the same thing: "The industry is out to get us! The developers hate us! The haircuts are a conspiracy!" You've adopted the ultimate victimhood narrative. You're literally crying over the "systemic oppression" of gamers because a character has blue hair. It's performative outrage, and it's embarrassing.

You've turned GAF into an echo chamber where you can protect each other from the "scary" real world. You can't handle a different opinion, you can't handle a realistic face model, and you certainly can't handle a protagonist who isn't a generic action figure. You've created a "Woke Safespace" for people who are scared of the 21st century.

You guys are the ones walking around with a checklist of things to be offended by.

• Same-sex couple in a cutscene? TRIGGERED. * Woman has a jawline? TRIGGERED. * Non-white person in a fantasy game? LITERAL SHAKING.

You aren't "based." You're just a bunch of sensitive Karens who want to speak to the manager of Sony because a protagonist's pants are too baggy. You're more obsessed with "diversity" than the people you complain about.

Enjoy your woke little clubhouse of victimhood.

Fake neutral having a meltdown ... you are the scum of the scum .. you're much worse than the retardera people, at least they are committed ... you fakes keep hinding behind an absolutely fake neutral banner of moral superiority... you're just a bunch of cowards... bye bye fam

 

[MrRibeye]

how is this still open

 

[kpopSuperstar]

The prlaged who are born here

What? if you an immigrant who are allowed to settle in another country, live in their houses, get their social benefits, and walk their streets, you are more privileged than anyone, no matter if you are poor, because we would not get that luxury from the people coming here.

But in regards to this topic, the current climate is so left leaning that every space attacks people who don't lean super left, which means places like this will have more right leaning normal people than most places, because we get shunned everywhere else. It's then natural that it can get a little too heavy on the woke rethoric, but the alternative would be to turn this into a strict forum and most of us would get banned.

 

[diffusionx]

It's crazy to think that anyone who was around for gamergate thinks there is any sort of equivalence here.

 

[Bernardougf]

Here's the funny part. We'll rightfully clown on this idiotic post, but not a single soul here would advocate for it to be removed or for him to be punished.

On Reddit, posts that say the exact opposite (wokeness sucks rant) would have his post downvoted into oblivion to the point where it might be removed, or on RetardEra, he would have been straight up banned. On Gaf, we'll blow asses out with insults, counterpoints, memes, whatever, but at least here people can say whatever the fuck they want, woke or anti-woke. You can be progressive and be on Neogaf. You CANNOT be right leaning and exist on Reddit and damn sure not on ResetEra.

Check post history.. guy had very much little problems with all the woke bullshit since forever... very little indeed, as on par for the course eventually the anti-woke craps on a game or more he "loves" and than he has a meltdown against the horrible anti-woke because jeeeez they are the worse, and this place is the worse.

Its so obvious with this people, every fake neutral eventually meltdowns and expose thenselfs when the problem finally hits too much close to a personal taste.

They are angry as hell behind a happy superiority mask but eventually they break... they all break.

 

[Bernardougf]

Ah, the classic accuse the other side of that which you are guilty of.

These snowflakes get so triggered at the slightest pushback against "the message". I do think it's funny when these types try to say we're the snowflakes and triggered ones simply for pointing out blatant propaganda in games and refusing to buy them as a result. Nobody here is having a meltdown or crash-out like you right now when we point these things out. It's mostly informative, to let people know since devs try to hide this shit as much as possible (they never put it in the trailers), or to simply to mock it (as it should be), nobody is triggered or upset about it, if it solicits any emotion at all it would be sadness and pity for what the medium has become. Some people are surprised by the Neo-Geo AES sales, but I'm not, gamers know those games are fun, and won't shove wokism down their throats. It reminds them of a simpler time when games were just about having fun. Same goes for all the Japanese, Korean and Chinese games performing so well as of late.

This is a great fucking post.

 

[OverHeat]

With all those accounts suicide they are always similarities…maybe just maybe there is something to learn from them.

 

[PeteBull]

That is not secure, that is crybaby. It is a pixel shit. You control character, you shoot. That is it. Their look is your last concern.
They could have cried about games being bad, levels not being good, or the map generally boring. But no, the looks of npc game matters alot for some reason.

At that point, just watch porn. Because you dont want to play a video game.

No, bro, same way man who tells his woman to not dress provocatively/dont go on girls trips/dont post thirst traps on IG is secure enough to do it(coz he knows to not compromise his values for low quality woman, he has abundance mindset aka other options avaiable) instead of a simp who allows his woman to do all those things coz if he doesnt- she leaves him and he has no other option left- aka is desperate af.

Gamer who calls out woke shit has abundance of games mindset- game caters to women- fine- i wont buy it, i got 100 better ones in backlog on top of 10 new ones coming out this year so i can critique it to my hearts content and give reasons why devs of that game wont even sniff cent of my money
If i had to buy/play that one game only i would have scarcity mindset- cant crique it or i wont even be able to get that.

And guess what, gaming industry is highly competetive, we as gamers get waterfall of games(mostly low or avg quality but there are diamonds among them, on top us being separate beings with different preferences to a point so one person's diamond might be other persons trash) so we can afford to critique and not buy games we dont like, as long as we give valid arguments, example- pushing clownworld ideology we as ppl are strongly against or simply- game has low quality characters/story/gameplay/combat system w/e, hell person is totally valid to not buy game "just because", maybe they got no funds atm or simply are too busy with stuff irl and thats fine too.

We as gamers dont owe devs our time and money- they compete for our attention and for our wallets, we are the prize, thats the mindset we as core gaming audience have in 2026, we arent those beggars asking for breadcrumbs and devstudio overlord graciously bestows upon us their 70 or 80$ game- no, we are the choosers here, and we are perfectly fine to not chose ur game if we subjectively decide its not worth it- thats decision each person makes for themselfs since again- its our time and money we are willing to sacrifice or not

 

[6502]

I don't like a lot of views I read on the internet. Here I see lots of different opinions and sometimes had mine changed by reading others arguments. Who would have thought a discussion board would allow this OP?

I don't like American imported woke shit in my media anymore than playing bible games. It has been a good indicator of low effort, low quality output for over a decade so I do appreciate it being discussed. That isn't a reflection on peoples morals. Just how shit 90% of media and the decline in the cultural appeal. I'd like to be warned if I am about to put down £70 on something I probably won't enjoy.

There are plenty of places that have an absolute mindset and mob attack opinions. This place isn't on the radar by comparison.

 

[Sybrix]

When ever i see shit like this, i always think back to Jurrasic Park 2, Dr Malcolm's daughter:

Did anyone lose their mind back in 1997 when this kid was the daughter?

Everyone is so hyper-sensitive to this stuff now, if this kid was cast now as the daughter of a white man, everyone would flip out and claim some type of woke Hollywood conspiracy!

This was in 1997, was there a woke conspiracy then?