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NeoGAF is woke trash

Zero tolerance from my end. I don't consume woke bs.

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Everyone on gaf just wants companies to make good games we want to play. They keep making the opposite of what the majority of gamers want, and often actively make stuff that "isn't for you we don't want you" games.

They keep flopping badly as nobody buys them and it's killing the industry, costing tens of thousands of people their jobs, and resulting in a loss of countless games that never were (as they were cancelled or never green lit in favor of stuff nobody wants)…

We then vent here precisely because we care deeply about the industry and our hobby…and we praise it burning to the ground in the hope that hopefully finally maybe publishers will start listening to their customers again and rise from the ashes to make games we want.

Asia excluded as they are crushing it.⚡
 
Everyone on gaf just wants companies to make good games we want to play. They keep making the opposite of what the majority of gamers want, and often actively make stuff that "isn't for you we don't want you" games.

They keep flopping badly as nobody buys them and it's killing the industry, costing tens of thousands of people their jobs, and resulting in a loss of countless games that never were (as they were cancelled or never green lit in favor of stuff nobody wants)…

We then vent here precisely because we care deeply about the industry and our hobby…and we praise it burning to the ground in the hope that hopefully finally maybe publishers will start listening to their customers again and rise from the ashes to make games we want.

Asia excluded as they are crushing it.⚡

It's killing IPs too. I wouldn't be surprised if we never get another Dragon Age game again, for example. EA will look at Veilguard's dismal numbers, which were caused by activists in Bioware, and just shelve it indefinitely.
 
OP makes a nice point in the unhinged rant. The anti-woke culture warriors who do purity tests for every game are ruining gaming as much as those on the other side.

Some of us don't care about this shit and want to enjoy our hobby and take a break from the culture wars.
 
OP makes a nice point in the unhinged rant. The anti-woke culture warriors who do purity tests for every game are ruining gaming as much as those on the other side.

Some of us don't care about this shit and want to enjoy our hobby and take a break from the culture wars.
The ot threads are free from this meta discussion, if you want to just talk about the games.
 
Some of us don't care about this shit and want to enjoy our hobby and take a break from the culture wars.

Exactly why I refuse to spend money on products that insert their dumb culture wars shit into the games. I don't think anyone is asking for Ben Shapiro talking points being shoehorned into their games.
 
bruh, I might be in the minority but I just don't care about this at all?

I'm someone who judges a game entirely how good or innovative the gameplay is and the feel of the systems (ADS feel, impact, weight or innovative tactics, sound design), story stuff don't care at all, has hardly any effect on my enjoyment, most of the times I skip cutscenes or fast forward them lol ( not for the really good ones, if I like the theme or I like the dialogue, I'll listen, eg. RDR2, W3, KCD2 etc). You don't like the MC or any character? mods that character with a box or an alien or Smurf or CJ from San Andreas - this has zero change on the gameplay. So what's the point?

If I want a good story, I read good literature or watch a good movie. Video games for me are just video games, I hate NPCs talking too much lol, let me play the game!!

Good story and dialogue is a plus for me but not necessary as long as the gameplay slaps.

I have enjoyed playing through AC Shadows, DA Veilguard, SW Outlaws, Suicide Squad, Saints Row Reboot, TLOU2 and equally enjoyed KCD2, RDR2, Hogwarts, Elden Ring, GoW and similar.

Don't be bound to the shackles of public discourse and sheep speak, set yourself free and you'll realise how much fun the games really are if seen through neutral, accommodating eyes.
 
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Everyone on gaf just wants companies to make good games we want to play. They keep making the opposite of what the majority of gamers want, and often actively make stuff that "isn't for you we don't want you" games.

They keep flopping badly as nobody buys them and it's killing the industry, costing tens of thousands of people their jobs, and resulting in a loss of countless games that never were (as they were cancelled or never green lit in favor of stuff nobody wants)…

We then vent here precisely because we care deeply about the industry and our hobby…and we praise it burning to the ground in the hope that hopefully finally maybe publishers will start listening to their customers again and rise from the ashes to make games we want.

Asia excluded as they are crushing it.⚡
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OP's post reminds me of all the people I saw on Facebook whining about Starfleet Academy getting cancelled. So I'll say here what I repeatedly commented over there.

There's a difference between writing a work of fiction that weaves in socially progressive ideas and writing a work of fiction as a hammer to cudgel the audience with modern day progressive propaganda. I don't care if a work of fiction is socially subversive and full of progressive ideology, so long as it's good and it works in service to the actual fiction. The problem is most writers/developers now put "the message" ahead of the fiction and use it to continually smack the audience with their present day ideology. That is bad writing, destroys immersion, and turns people off.

Be as socially progressive or as socially conservative as you want.
But don't make that your product's entire identity.

[Edit: My proofreading game is lacking today.]
 
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Isn't a permanent ban a bit too harsh? The user had been a member of the site for 13 years, going all the way back to the PS4 and Xbox One era. It's kind of sad to see it end like that.
Would you keep a person around based on how long you've known them regardless, or cut bait when they get bit by a zombie?

This is a virus we are dealing with here. The symptoms are clear.
 
Yup, Ultima 4 was the first RPG I ever played, and it actually had a major part in shaping my world view. Will forever remain one of my all-time favorites, a game where the ultimate fight isn't some external, existential threat. There were literally no boss battles, no central villain, none of it. Just an exploration of the human condition, a battle to strive to be better than where you started to inspire others to also better themselves. Still the best thing Garriot ever made IMO.
That sounds interesting!
 
OP is right about fast and constant reactions to female leads.

They are wrong about the echo chamber though, as in here one can say if they find a game too woke or too right without a ban and create discussion. Try doing that in real echo chambers like Era and they will delete your acount and behave like you never were there in the first place.

Also I don't think i ever read someone saying here the stupid "i am literally shaking / vomiting / whatever".
These cringe comments are mainly used by a very specific overdramatic demographic.
 
OP is right about fast and constant reactions to female leads.

They are wrong about the echo chamber though, as in here one can say if they find a game too woke or too right without a ban and create discussion. Try doing that in real echo chambers like Era and they will delete your acount and behave like you never were there in the first place.

Also I don't think i ever read someone saying here the stupid "i am literally shaking / vomiting / whatever".
These cringe comments are mainly used by a very specific overdramatic demographic.
Exactly. It's about opinions and discussion. You get banned for violating the rules not because of your views. Now go to Era and disagree with the group and see what happens.
 
I guess you are a political extremist if you don't want this to be the state of videogames


No, you talk shit one time and then let nature take over and the show goes down, or the video game fails, a crash comes and a new phoenix arises.

No need to incessantly push people to the point they stop listening. My wife calls me a Libtard at least once a day because of the nutters on my side, then we laugh and roll on. We can discuss any topic without the vitriol and never a reason to act like the ones your saying is hurting the culture.


This is not a war, no one here is some warrior, we all have keyboards. This isn't that important. But talking about gaming with likeminded people is where i find my enjoyment in life, no matter their opinions.
 
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I'm out. I can't deal with the constant, high-level Wokism that has infected this board. You guys think you're "anti-woke," but you're actually the most easily triggered, identity-obsessed snowflakes I've ever seen. You've turned NeoGAF into a literal safespace for professional victims.

You claim to hate "identity politics," yet 90% of the posts here are you guys obsessing over the identity of digital characters. You're doing "Representation Matters" in reverse. You're so fragile that if a character doesn't look exactly like your specific "identity" (angry, 40-year-old dude), you have a collective mental breakdown. That is the definition of Woke.

Every day it's the same thing: "The industry is out to get us! The developers hate us! The haircuts are a conspiracy!" You've adopted the ultimate victimhood narrative. You're literally crying over the "systemic oppression" of gamers because a character has blue hair. It's performative outrage, and it's embarrassing.

You've turned GAF into an echo chamber where you can protect each other from the "scary" real world. You can't handle a different opinion, you can't handle a realistic face model, and you certainly can't handle a protagonist who isn't a generic action figure. You've created a "Woke Safespace" for people who are scared of the 21st century.

You guys are the ones walking around with a checklist of things to be offended by.


  • Same-sex couple in a cutscene? TRIGGERED. * Woman has a jawline? TRIGGERED. * Non-white person in a fantasy game? LITERAL SHAKING.

You aren't "based." You're just a bunch of sensitive Karens who want to speak to the manager of Sony because a protagonist's pants are too baggy. You're more obsessed with "diversity" than the people you complain about.

Enjoy your woke little clubhouse of victimhood.


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OP's post reminds me of all the people I saw on Facebook whining about Starfleet Academy getting cancelled. So I'll say here what I repeatedly commented over there.

There's a difference between writing a work of fiction that weaves in socially progressive ideas and using a work of fiction as a hammer to cudgel the audience with modern day progressive propaganda. I don't care if a work of fiction is socially subversive and full of progressive ideology, so long as it's good and it works in service to the actual fiction. The problem is most writers/developers now put "the message" ahead of the fiction and use it to continually smack the audience with their present day ideology. That is bad writing, destroys immersion, and turns people off.

Be as socially progressive or as socially conservative as you want.
But don't make that you're product's entire identity.
Yes, 100% this.

This is precisely why King of the Hill is a beloved cartoon while Mr. Birchum is trash tier. Hank Hill is a conservative, and you root for him because he feels like a person you know, the caring father who is averse to change and feels like a fish out of water in an ever-changing, evolving world. His core principles are admirable, and you can see him make a genuine effort, which leads to amazing moments like this:



The show has heart at its core, and it works because you get different perspectives without the show trying to preach at you. Meanwhile, you watch Mr. Birchum and he's just an insufferable asshole to everyone around him. Everything he does is mean-spirited, barely any of the jokes land, and it's all because The Daily Wire's social conservative messaging is the motive for the show, rather than telling a good story. It's as in-your-face as the Dragon Age: Veilguard.

Hey Paramount. Give me more like DS9, less like Academy. Thanks.
 
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Would you keep a person around based on how long you've known them regardless, or cut bait when they get bit by a zombie?

This is a virus we are dealing with here. The symptoms are clear.

He didn't really say anything that hasn't been said before when it comes to woke/anti-woke discussions. Clearly he was just venting it all on the way out. Either way, his views are not a "virus". They really are not even that controversial.
 
Looks like playing too many matches of Marathon gave him a brain hemorrhage. Goes on for 3-4 pages.

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Maybe he just enjoyed discussing a game he enjoyed. Dude was a good contributor to that thread and will be missed.

Would you keep a person around based on how long you've known them regardless, or cut bait when they get bit by a zombie?

This is a virus we are dealing with here. The symptoms are clear.
Here's an idea lets ban everyone who's views differ from the majority? Sound familar? You are no different than the retards over at the purple palace.
 
No, you talk shit one time and then let nature take over and the show goes down, or the video game fails, a crash comes and a new phoenix arises.

No need to incessantly push people to the point they stop listening. My wife calls me a Libtard at least once a day because of the nutters on my side, then we laugh and roll on. We can discuss any topic without the vitriol and never a reason to act like the ones your saying is hurting the culture.


This is not a war, no one here is some warrior, we all have keyboards. This isn't that important. But talking about gaming with likeminded people is where i find my enjoyment in life, no matter their opinions.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything but I'm absolutely going to make fun of shit like this because it's funny, and not buy it.



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It's just so hamfisted and over the top that it deserves to be mocked. Your wife sounds cool btw maybe you should make her a neoGAF account.
 
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything but I'm absolutely going to make fun of shit like this because it's funny, and not buy it.



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It's just so hamfisted and over the top that it deserves to be mocked. Your wife sounds cool btw maybe you should make her a neoGAF account.
The woman is a habitual line stepper, my friend. I'm not having that in the only peace I have, sir. She is laughing at me now, calling me gay over my shoulder.

I'll survive, but yeah, almost 30 years and still in the courting phase. Nothing like never leaving the 80s shit talking with your mate.
 
I raked my lawn today. Looks nice. Laid a bit of seed down. Watered it. Hopefully it makes a nice come back.

Washed the wife's suv too. Could have just powered washed it, but I went a bit further and used a sponge. Looks nice.

Dog barfed on a floor mat so I cleaned it up and pressure washed all the mats in the house. They look nice too.

Suns out. Looks like a nice day.
 
I raked my lawn today. Looks nice. Laid a bit of seed down. Watered it. Hopefully it makes a nice come back.

Washed the wife's suv too. Could have just powered washed it, but I went a bit further and used a sponge. Looks nice.

Dog barfed on a floor mat so I cleaned it up and pressure washed all the mats in the house. They look nice too.

Suns out. Looks like a nice day.
Yeah, I should go tend my garden, I think I've fucked around on GAF long enough. Hopefully some more strawberries to harvest.
 
Yeah, I should go tend my garden, I think I've fucked around on GAF long enough. Hopefully some more strawberries to harvest.
We actually have an urban garden plot. Last year our turn out was terrible.

Loads a squash and zucchini but even our potatoes didn't grow much. Zero peas and almost zero carrots. Was a weird season.
 
The woman is a habitual line stepper, my friend. I'm not having that in the only peace I have, sir. She is laughing at me now, calling me gay over my shoulder.

I'll survive, but yeah, almost 30 years and still in the courting phase. Nothing like never leaving the 80s shit talking with your mate.

Have you tried not being gay?
 
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