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Net Neutrality Is Trumps Next Target, Administration Says
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You can't compromise on Net Neutrality. Especially without pissing off the ISPs who want it gone in the first place.
jellies_two
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As far as I know trump doesn't do legislation. He just removes it.
So anti-net neutrality legislation is "do what you want".
That means att Comcast etc would be free to price traffic depending on whatever: latency, protocol, source, whatever. And on both ends. So they could go to Netflix and say well unless you pay extra for our premium tier we might put your video traffic into a category that has packet loss. And any content provider (website) not paying for premium tier might be "best effort" tier by default.
Or who knows. They may decide to charge users depending on the mix of traffic. Cheap for web, expensive for VPNs or Torrents.
It might be ok if there was an open market place for home broadband but most have only one choice or two choices. Monopoly or oligopoly.
Comcast share price has gone up a lot since the election. That is new revenue expected, and it doesn't come from thin air.
innervision961
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Well, for all those people who are tired of political posts, they may not have to worry much longer.
CadetMahoney
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Is it possible for a country to have net as a public utility by law (Estonia) also remove net-neutrality? Basically will regarding it as utility prevent the removal of net neutrality?
What if a company only has servers in the USA but has many paying customers from net-neutral countries?
What if a company only has servers in the USA but has many paying customers from net-neutral countries?
Ultimately I think death of net neutrality would benefit them. It surpresses anyone who would dare to compete with them. A task which is already very, very difficult because their bread and butter is streaming data from server farms and a lot of capital is required to compete in that space.
nintendoman58
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The Net Neutrality rules passed in 2015 were just held-up last year in a federal appeals court. So if the FCC wants to get rid of them, they need to provide new rules that would justify getting rid of them, and there also has to be a public comment period, which typically lasts about two months.
The last time this was an issue, the FCC got over 4 million comments in support of the Net Neutrality rules.
For everybody screaming about "total control/dystopian" future, etc. Please have some sense of perspective. As we've repeatedly seen before, this administration cannot do whatever the hell it wants, and this kind of stuff can be sued to oblivion by tech companies.
So don't think this is a hopeless fight.
The last time this was an issue, the FCC got over 4 million comments in support of the Net Neutrality rules.
For everybody screaming about "total control/dystopian" future, etc. Please have some sense of perspective. As we've repeatedly seen before, this administration cannot do whatever the hell it wants, and this kind of stuff can be sued to oblivion by tech companies.
So don't think this is a hopeless fight.
Kitschkraft
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It'd also mean that they'd have to pay huge fees to ISPs to get it. It isn't worth it to them, which is why they lobbied against them last time.
SpaceCadetKeon
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No way in hell he gets re-elected if he fucks with our internet.
Shadow Puppetry
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Wow, what a snowflake
Unknown One
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A lot of Republicans thought that during the SOPA fiasco, I wouldn't doubt it at all, I expect it.
Let me explain it in terms people here might understand... AARP, Gun Owners of America, and the Christian Coalition of America all support Net Neutrality. Those are non-profit organizations that represent senior citizens, gun owners, and the Christian right respectfully, which amounts to the vast majority of the Republicans' base. In fact, AARP is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in the United States and basically the singular reason why Republicans don't dare mess with Medicare or Social Security without their say-so. And they support Net Neutrality.
capitalCORN
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Meanwhile, last year in Canada...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/crtc-internet-essential-service-1.3906664
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/crtc-internet-essential-service-1.3906664
Darryl M R
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This sentence is so beautiful.
Nah destroying net neutrality will be an easy win for them.
GOP's effort to dismantle healthcare wasn't stopped by public pressure -- they obviously don't give a shit about that -- it fell apart because of republican infighting. They'll dumb it down to "all regulations are bad" and easily be united against net neutrality.
Net neutrality was a fight when dems were in control -- felt like we barely won. Won't be the same this time around. Elections have consequences.
Nomadic Sparks
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Also see Women's Reproductive Rights
Call or email your state congressional representative about this.
I know Claire McCaskill will be hearing from me this week.
Skyball Paint
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Suddenly thousands have to decide whether triggering liberals is worth losing that sweet, sweet hi-rez anime titty
nintendoman58
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If the owner of the service cares and the rules are enforced by your country, then it needs to move the servers to a country which fulfills your rules. A prominent example in Germany is Microsoft's Azure and Office 365 cloud services which are for this very reason licensed and operated to/by Deutsche Telekom.
LMao
Hey, I'm a triggered liberal anime titty fan, so I'm losing on all fronts here.
By the way, I do find it hilarious that immediately after taking a huge lose with health care reform, and seeing his approval rating plummet... the President, in search of a win to lift his downward spiral is turning to an issue that is guaranteed to piss off tons of people - including his own supporters.
I really hope this doesn't go through though.
Fox Mulder
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Repealing Obamacare failed due to republican in fighting as the new bill was seen as still too socialist by some in the party. Deregulation is cool with the entire party. I don't see how they fuck this up.
Corporations will have to fight other corporations to save this.
The fact that through this whole mess it gives me great joy knowing Trump supporters are coming to grips with their life decisions.
I hope the self-sabotage was worth it.
balladofwindfishes
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This is a profoundly stupid idea for an administration already in a hole to pull. Net Neutrality is a hard sell to the public, it appeals to both Conservatives and Liberals and it's hard to explain why we need this change, considering the status quo is that Net Neutrality exists.
This is an unpopular fight Trump is going to be making, sitting at sub 40 approval and coming off pretty much the biggest political failure in our country with the Obamacare nonsense.
This is an unpopular fight Trump is going to be making, sitting at sub 40 approval and coming off pretty much the biggest political failure in our country with the Obamacare nonsense.
People don't read threads or even posts. They come in, doom & gloom/shitpost and get out.
This isn't going to be as easy as people think it will. It's certainly possible, but this one is tied to a court victory so you can't just hand wave it away.
HawaiianDreads
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Brah I still see people defending this decision in the comment section on the page you link, like holy crap are people that loyal to this dude or just that stupid? Hell maybe both.
The Last Wizard
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Why would they work for us? It's not like we're paying them money. Their masters in big corps pay them.
This could be an easy win for us, we'd just need companies like Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc to advertise the adverse effects.
Zantetsuken
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One thing I can count on in this country is people voting against their own interests.
Lovely Salsa
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Lol he always does the opposite of obama
Damn, he must hate obama so much that its funny
Damn, he must hate obama so much that its funny
HawaiianDreads
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It's mind boggling really, just to align yourself to a certain side you're willing to hurt yourself in the process.
psychowave
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These people won't budge unless Easy D takes their anime waifus away from them, will they.
That's not exactly true.
The freedom caucus opposition wanted even more stripped away, of course, but part of that infighting happened because giving into the freedom caucus demands wasn't going to work for the moderate republicans, who were feeling the pressure and knew that they were likely to suffer if they went along with it. So either way they wouldn't have had enough republican support. Freedom caucus believes they had the mandate to do what they wanted, sure, but on the other side of the republican equation the potential response from voters most definitely impacted the rest of the opposition
Bruce Springsteen
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Politicians aren't magical beings that fall from the heavens
It wouldn't be the first time republicans push for something that 80%+ don't support. For crying out loud, they just dismantled Internet privacy rules.
Again, it wasn't public outcry that stopped the healthcare bill. It was republican infighting. Republican legislators have basically been united against net neutrality. They even adopted an anti net neutrality stance in their platform.
Pathetic how a lack of understand of QOS and load balancing has led to this subject. Even worse that isp can take a protocol meant to be agnostic argue that dividing is better for all when it will slow down everyone using their links.
I guess profit matters more than latency and that its ok to use basically shitty standards to inflate bandwidth costs more.
I guess profit matters more than latency and that its ok to use basically shitty standards to inflate bandwidth costs more.
NHarmonic.
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isn't that shit an annonymous message board? too much irony.
Knuckle Sandwich
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Well now it's something that actually effects them and not just brown and gay people.
The majority of Reddit is pretty liberal. Why do you think the deplorables are always reduced to creating their own echo chambers?
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