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New 3DS/DS Pokemon Game Later This Year [Rumor]

CriterionDog said:
FINALLY. Generation 3 >>>>Other generations. (in my opinion)

Get that outta here. Superior Silver is obviously the best, followed by Red, followed by 3rd. Don't get it messed up people.

And on hearing the news...I think..I just shit my pants.
 
AndriaSang said:
Ishihara also supposedly says something about the 3DS having a second CPU and it having been unlocked for developers through the firmware update. Supposedly, the CPU runs independently of the main one.

I imagine the system has been torn apart by now, so has anyone heard anything about a second CPU?
Orange port?
 
AndriaSang said:
Ishihara also supposedly says something about the 3DS having a second CPU and it having been unlocked for developers through the firmware update. Supposedly, the CPU runs independently of the main one.

I imagine the system has been torn apart by now, so has anyone heard anything about a second CPU?
This changes everything
 
Nix said:
Get that outta here. Superior Silver is obviously the best, followed by Red, followed by 3rd. Don't get it messed up people.

And on hearing the news...I think..I just shit my pants.
Heart Gold > Soul Silver. : D
 
AceBandage said:
It's Nintendo, dude.
They announce a lot of games just months before they release.
But the last three major Pokemon releases were announced in Spring and hyped-up all summer, and Nintendo's direct involvement is severely limited anyway.
 
AndriaSang said:
Ishihara also supposedly says something about the 3DS having a second CPU and it having been unlocked for developers through the firmware update. Supposedly, the CPU runs independently of the main one.

I imagine the system has been torn apart by now, so has anyone heard anything about a second CPU?
Wait What? Why wasn't this in the article? What does it mean? Why would Nintendo do this? So many questions!!!
 
artwalknoon said:
Wait What? Why wasn't this in the article? What does it mean? Why would Nintendo do this? So many questions!!!

The entire article isn't out in the internet yet, probably.

As for why Nintendo would unlock the second CPU now, it's probably because the firmware wasn't ready for it yet.
 
Truth101 said:
Haha, no it would definitely get released. Why would they give up free money?
It's a good source of revenue to be sure, but that's one more incentive to switch over to the 3DS gone.

They'll probably do it anyway since the benefits are just too tempting.
 
J@hranimo said:
I honestly can't see Pokemon Grey because Black/White just came out like 4 months ago. Maybe one of those Mystery Dungeon games?
That's in America.

In Japan, it came out in September. Game Freak has lately been pumping the games out about once a year, and we've been getting them about 6-7 excruciating months later.
 
Why would you do that? said:
That's in America.

In Japan, it came out in September. Game Freak has lately been pumping the games out about once a year, and we've been getting them about 6-7 excruciating months later.

Derp. I completely forgot about they originally came out in September!

Then it could possibly be Grey then, although all this talk about Gen 3 has me hoping they're Ruby/Sapphire remakes.
 
Why would you do that? said:
That's in America.

In Japan, it came out in September. Game Freak has lately been pumping the games out about once a year, and we've been getting them about 6-7 excruciating months later.
Which is why something like Gray would most likely be coming out next year in Japan--we've had Platinum, HG/SS, and Black/White all in a row, and it isn't typical for Pokemon to have that many yearly releases of the main series and I can't see GF actually making a full-on switch to a yearly business model. The main games also typically release around September in Japan, as you mentioned, and they're usually announced at least several months in advance, so if Gray were coming this year, we really should have heard about it by now. More spin-offs are likely (hoping for another Mystery Dungeon, myself), but I can't see Gray coming 'til next year.
 
Wasn't there some screenshot from a japanese gaming magazine a while back of a pokemon game for the 3ds that looked like a port of one of the gamecube titles? I vaguely remember seeing a thread about it.
 
artwalknoon said:
Wasn't there some screenshot from a japanese gaming magazine a while back of a pokemon game for the 3ds that looked like a port of one of the gamecube titles? I vaguely remember seeing a thread about it.

It was fake.
 
artwalknoon said:
Wasn't there some screenshot from a japanese gaming magazine a while back of a pokemon game for the 3ds that looked like a port of one of the gamecube titles? I vaguely remember seeing a thread about it.
That was a photoshop someone made when we knew that a new Pokemon game was about to be announced, but before it was revealed to be Super Pokemon Scramble (or Pokemon Rumble Blast, as its North American title was just revealed to be).

Edit: Ah, beaten.
 
MooMoo said:
If it's a 3DS version, it better use those 3D models found in the Pokedex 3D app. If not, no buy from me.

Edit: Also upon release of this currently imaginary 3DS version, I want Pokemon Red/Blue released on the eShop.

I'd be surprised if they did, but wouldn't it just be amazing if they released the older games on eShop and then made them compatible for trading with the newer versions and stuff? Or at least with each other, Virtual Console to Virtual Console with no need for a link cable!

Then if they put Silver on the eShop I could stop having a cry about the dead battery in my cart too...
 
Hoping for a full 3DS game that interacts with the DS Pokemon games in some way. PLEASE don't use this as an excuse to reuse those low rez shitty sprites for the 3DS! I want my 3D Animated Pokemon and I want it NOW >:/

(Also no, I don't think they can make REAL 3DS enhancements to a DS game unless you're all talking about a 3DS version and a DS version. W/E it is it can't be a stand-a-lone DS thing. Nintendo aint stupid enough to give people even MORE reason to keep their DS over making the jump. I think its something that will PUSH people with the DS towards getting the 3DS with connectivity between 2 versions or the DS titles or something. )
 
AndriaSang said:
Ishihara also supposedly says something about the 3DS having a second CPU and it having been unlocked for developers through the firmware update. Supposedly, the CPU runs independently of the main one.

I imagine the system has been torn apart by now, so has anyone heard anything about a second CPU?
Mind blowing stuff If it turns out true, and not a reference to the underclocked speed of the current CPU. Someone has to investigate.

(cue: would someone PLEASE think of the Bettery!)
 
Tucah said:
Pokemon Grey simultaneous launch for DS/3DS with 3DS exclusive features?

Impossible. DS games cannot take advantage of 3DS hardware features. Plus they said that it would be surprising "at the same level" as the first half of this year (so that means that anything announced would be at the same level as the combined announcements of Pokemon Rumble Blast and Battrio)

Ishihara tells Famitsu that Pokemon Co. hopes to continue taking care of DS users, while also showing how far play can be expanded on 3DS.

Sinobi views Ishihara's comments as suggesting that we could be getting some sort of Pokemon title with connectivity between DS and 3DS.

Now what IS most likely is either a new type of spinoff, or a multiplatform Mystery Dungeon title (OH GOD YES PLEASE!!!!), like what happened with Blue Rescue Team on the DS and Red Rescue Team on the GBA.

It has been a long time since the last PKMN Mystery Dungeon game. Also, the first Mystery Dungeon game came out November 17, 2005 in Japan (at the end of the DS' first full year on sale). That lines up perfectly with the development cycle of a potential DS/3DS multiplatform MD game.

AndriaSang said:
Ishihara also supposedly says something about the 3DS having a second CPU and it having been unlocked for developers through the firmware update. Supposedly, the CPU runs independently of the main one.

I imagine the system has been torn apart by now, so has anyone heard anything about a second CPU?

Thanks for the info, we've actually known for a while that the 3DS has a dual core CPU, but we didn't know that developers didn't have access to it until the last update! (man, they got games looking great already without even having access to the 2nd core?!)

People have Xrayed the CPU, but they have no idea what type of ARM CPU it is still. The old leaked specs turned out to be wrong but the only dual core ARM CPUs available are either ARM 11 or Cortex, so it must be one of the two (and I have trouble believing that its currently released games could've been running on a single core ARM 11)
 
AndriaSang said:
Ishihara also supposedly says something about the 3DS having a second CPU and it having been unlocked for developers through the firmware update. Supposedly, the CPU runs independently of the main one.

I imagine the system has been torn apart by now, so has anyone heard anything about a second CPU?
How can this be? Haven't there been multiple hardware teardowns of the hardware by now that would have revealed a second physical processor?
Seems more likely that it might be a firmware that un-underclocks the CPU, like on the PSP. I can't see Nintendo allowing its users to adjust CPU speeds from a menu though, like on the PSP, and that would surely be even worse on the already disappointing battery.
 
BurntPork said:
Yeah, I wouldn't count on getting those models. I really don't see them taking the time to make the other 500+ models.
Pokedex 3D is an investment imo.

Thats too much work for a free app. If they can get that done for an app than I don't see why they wont do the others.
 
corn_fest said:
How can this be? Haven't there been multiple hardware teardowns of the hardware by now that would have revealed a second physical processor?
Seems more likely that it might be a firmware that un-underclocks the CPU, like on the PSP. I can't see Nintendo allowing its users to adjust CPU speeds from a menu though, like on the PSP, and that would surely be even worse on the already disappointing battery.

He could be referring to the second core of the 3DS' dual core CPU. Also, dual core CPUs are typically no more draining on battery life than single core CPUs (hence why the iPad 2 lasts as long as the iPad 1)
 
InsaneZero said:
The entire article isn't out in the internet yet, probably.

As for why Nintendo would unlock the second CPU now, it's probably because the firmware wasn't ready for it yet.


Is this why it costs 250?
 
Jinfash said:
Mind blowing stuff If it turns out true, and not a reference to the underclocked speed of the current CPU. Someone has to investigate.

(cue: would someone PLEASE think of the Bettery!)
Well, when it happened to the PSP, didn't they release a revision with longer battery life? Maybe revision+pricedrop :(
 
BurntPork said:
Well... That makes me less trusting of anything he says. (Well, unless it turns out that only one of the 3DS's two CPU cores has been active all this time.)
There word is that the second CPU (core?) is (was?) reserved for the OS and security.
 
Black-Wind said:
(Also no, I don't think they can make REAL 3DS enhancements to a DS game unless you're all talking about a 3DS version and a DS version. W/E it is it can't be a stand-a-lone DS thing.

Why couldn't it be a DS game with 3DS enhancements? Nintendo has done that kind of thing before with GBC and GBA.

Nintendo aint stupid enough to give people even MORE reason to keep their DS over making the jump. I think its something that will PUSH people with the DS towards getting the 3DS with connectivity between 2 versions or the DS titles or something. )

I don't know what they could do with connecting a DS and 3DS version with 2 systems that couldn't be done with a regular DS. Unlocking stuff or something through connectivity doesn't sound like "showing how far play can be expanded on 3DS". The ability to connect to a 3DS version doesn't seem like something that would make someone buy a 3DS along with another version of a game they already own.

DS games don't create save data on the 3DS or anything so I don't see how they would connect the 2 versions with 1 system either.

I think it is more likely that they will make 1 version that has 3D, AR, or Street Pass features when played on 3DS.
 
Lonely1 said:
There word is that the second CPU (core?) is (was?) reserved for the OS and security.

You're thinking of the PS3. One of the PS3's SPUs was reserved for the OS and security, there's been no rumour of that being the case for the 3DS; and if anything, I'd expect those kinds of functions, as well as wireless stuff to be running on the original DSi CPU that is included in the system (that's what they did with the original DS, leaving the ARM 7 and the rest of the original GBA hardware to handle WiFi protocol)

Oni Link 666 said:
Why couldn't it be a DS game with 3DS enhancements? Nintendo has done that kind of thing before with GBC and GBA.

When the 3DS is playing DS/DSi games, it shuts off most of the 3DS hardware; leaving it unusable for games. Also, there's no way to implement a software hook that tells the game that its running on a 3DS (as far as games know, they're running on a DSi)

What IS possible is that it could be a multiplatform game where the 3DS version has extra features like Streetpass support.
 
24FrameDaVinci said:
Sounds like it will be Pokemon Gray re-branded as a 3DS title to prop up the struggling system a bit.
Just like when they did exactly that to try and keep the dying and impossible-to-sell GBC alive.


Or, you know

Just like they do sometimes without consideration of system sales.
 
Nuclear Muffin said:
He could be referring to the second core of the 3DS' dual core CPU. Also, dual core CPUs are typically no more draining on battery life than single core CPUs (hence why the iPad 2 lasts as long as the iPad 1)
Well, not exactly. If the iPad 2 had two Cortex A8 instead of one, the battery life would be pretty much halved. But instead is has a more efficient A9. IDK how will this affect the battery life, Is probable that the second core was also being used. 3DSbew says that the 3DS has an
ARM11 Multiprocessor Core 2x 268 MHz, which means the CPU are under clocked from 400+ Mhz, but IDK how accurate is that info.

Nuclear Muffin said:
You're thinking of the PS3. One of the PS3's SPUs was reserved for the OS and security, there's been no rumour of that being the case for the 3DS
No, im talking about the 3DS. Is not clear if the ARM7 is present in the SoC either, but probably is. There's no other physical processor aside what included in the SoC, we know that much.
 
If it is a DS/3DS version it's definitely Grey, letting people that did not upgrade to 3DS having their third 'final' game, and giving 3DS owners a reason to play it on their new console.

It'll definitely not use the 3D models from Pokedex 3D, but I sincerely hope that for 3DS users they take advantage of the better screen resolution by not letting us play in 1:1 mode or with a stretched picture.
 
Lonely1 said:
Well, not exactly. If the iPad 2 had two Cortex A8 instead of one, the battery life would be pretty much halved. But instead is has a more efficient A9. IDK how will this affect the battery life, Is probable that the second core was also being used. 3DSbew says that the 3DS has
ARM11 Multiprocessor Core 2x 268 MHz, which means the CPU are under clocked from 400+ Mhz, but IDK how accurate is that info.

That info turned out to be inaccurate (the 3DS has double the amount of RAM in the final product) It's likely that these specs refer to the cancelled Tegra version of the 3DS (the chips and clock speeds match up to what a typical Tegra SOC would've had)


Lonely1 said:
No, im talking about the 3DS. Is not clear if the ARM7 is present in the SoC either.

Impossible, it must be there for backwards compatibility purposes, otherwise 2D DS games and online DS content wouldn't run properly.
 
Nuclear Muffin said:
That info turned out to be inaccurate (the 3DS has double the amount of RAM in the final product) It's likely that these specs refer to the cancelled Tegra version of the 3DS (the chips and clock speeds match up to what a typical Tegra SOC would've had)




Impossible, it must be there for backwards compatibility purposes.
They also cite that Pica200 is clocked at 268Mhz and 2x64MB Fujitsu MB82M8080-07L for RAM. Is likely that they tweaked the original Tegra design, keeping the CPU configuration.
 
Lonely1 said:
They also cite that Pica200 is clocked at 268Mhz and 2x64MB Fujitsu MB82M8080-07L for RAM. Is likely that they tweaked the original Tegra design, keeping the CPU configuration.

They've probably just combined the leaked specs with the newly discovered information about the final hardware.

In the 3DS hardware Iwata Asks, they mentioned doubling the graphics processing speed.

As mentioned earlier, I designed the chip without any thought of 3D, so we had to change the design quite a lot, like doubling the graphics rendering speed. I was really worried about whether we could make a chip that players could actually use in time for E3.

It seems unlikely to me that they would double the speed of the GPU without touching the CPU.
 
faridmon said:
DS? DS will never die. And I fully approve of this.
Well, they discontinued DS Lite, they will force it to die. But I really don't get Nintendo, DS Lite could have continued to sell forever, it would have expanded their markets greatly. DS has sold almost as much as 360 this year in US.
 
For some reason, I have a feeling this won't be Grey.
walking fiend said:
Well, they discontinued DS Lite, they will force it to die. But I really don't get Nintendo, DS Lite could have continued to sell forever, it would have expanded their markets greatly. DS has sold almost as much as 360 this year in US.

IIRC (I could be misremembering of course) the DS was starting to slow down in Japan.
 
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