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New Games with Sub-1080/60FPS
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Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Spring-Loaded
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60 fps helps make a game look better, so it's not an either/or scenario when it comes down to "better looking" or "better performance" one of the latter's advantages is a purely visual one.
As developers try to find ways to make your game more shiny for bullshots (so you can say ooh and aah and put in your pre-order) later in the generation, the first things to be sacrificed are the resolution and framerate. There is only 1 platform where you have control of the amount of shiny, the resolution and the framerate (and v-sync options).
It depends on the device and the game.
If it is on a weaker hardware, I am not going to complain about sub-1080/60. I bought a weaker console, I will have to deal with it.
If the game is a story driven game with great plot and characters, I couldn't care if it was 720/30. Now if the game has a little bit to offer in the story department but just graphic and gameplay, well eff yeah, I need that 1080/30. (30 is fine with me on console gaming)
Disclosure: TBH, I can't stay consistent with the above statements for games in the sub-400p range. I will moan/complain about games being releasing on the 3DS instead of the Vita for its superior spec, or getting a straight port of the inferior 3DS games with no update changes...it just annoys me.
If it is on a weaker hardware, I am not going to complain about sub-1080/60. I bought a weaker console, I will have to deal with it.
If the game is a story driven game with great plot and characters, I couldn't care if it was 720/30. Now if the game has a little bit to offer in the story department but just graphic and gameplay, well eff yeah, I need that 1080/30. (30 is fine with me on console gaming)
Disclosure: TBH, I can't stay consistent with the above statements for games in the sub-400p range. I will moan/complain about games being releasing on the 3DS instead of the Vita for its superior spec, or getting a straight port of the inferior 3DS games with no update changes...it just annoys me.
Very few console games are 1080/60. Some have an unlocked framerate and average 40-50fps, which is worse to play than a locked 30fps, but still good PR these days.
A solid 60fps is much more important than 1080p in most cases. We don't get that because of screenshots and console wars.
A solid 60fps is much more important than 1080p in most cases. We don't get that because of screenshots and console wars.
Deputy Moonman
Member
This is the best attitude to have when looking forward to new games. Totally respect that and agree.
Wiktor
Member
I can understand the dissapoitment, this really is a weak generation tech-wise, which is increased by how long people had to wait for it, but gamers need to get over it, because it's not going to get any better. In fact, it's almost sure to get worse. In few years pretty much no game will keep 1080/60
As long as visuals are stable without unnecessary flickering/aliasing and game is fluid to play, I really do not care. (UE4 and the Order seem to have right idea.)
This is not a easy and if it means to drop some resolution and properly resolve low resolution render to a 1080p, it's fine.
This is not a easy and if it means to drop some resolution and properly resolve low resolution render to a 1080p, it's fine.
I think alot are missing the point the consoles are capable of 1080/60fps for every game its the devs that chose the frame rate and res. I prefer 30 fps for pretty much everything for better visuals apart from online fps. 1080p ties in with better visuals so that for every game is preferable though not a deal breaker.Most console gamers dont read or care about res and framerate unless it affects the game so they can tell something is up. PC gamers will care as thats what there used to and what they prefer and why mostly they went with PC. The fact is though overall visually theres not alot of games on PC that look better than some of the new gen games overall.Only due to not many AAA devs care enough it seems which is a shame it would be nice seeing every gaming platform being used to its full potential.
1080/60 is doable on next gen. It just depends on what you want to sacrifice to hit that goal.
As for me, i don't really care about the 30fps vs 60fps framerate debate except for certain genres like some racers, twitch fps and fighting games(and high speed action games like platinum works).
Just have your framerate nice and relatively stable so it doesn't constantly drop 10 to 15 fps every 2 seconds.
As for me, i don't really care about the 30fps vs 60fps framerate debate except for certain genres like some racers, twitch fps and fighting games(and high speed action games like platinum works).
Just have your framerate nice and relatively stable so it doesn't constantly drop 10 to 15 fps every 2 seconds.
People get more angry about sub 1080p games than sub 60 games because 60fps has always been around. For as many gens that have existed 60fps has always been a choice.
60fps not 'next gen' in that sense because people have been used to 30fps and 60fps for many gens now. It just became more and more prominent as more gens passed and 3D rendering got better to default to 30, because devs became more and more used to pushing their hardware power towards graphics or other things besides framerate.
In the time of 2D games, pushing graphics was never a 'thing" necessarily.
travisbickle
Member
I thought 1080p would be a given, I'm sure I read in the pre-launch build up the PS4 GPU had more shaders, or something, compared to similar of-the-shelf GPUs specifically to help devs maintain a 1080 image?
Whereas 60fps always seemed more like an option that's either brute-forced by people with mega PCs, or pushed by particular devs/teams because it resonates with players of those genres.
Whereas 60fps always seemed more like an option that's either brute-forced by people with mega PCs, or pushed by particular devs/teams because it resonates with players of those genres.
JimiNutz
Banned
A stable framerate is the most important thing for my enjoyment. Games like Forza Horizon 2 and Driveclub show that games can still play just fine at a rock solid 30 fps.
I can handle 900p too, don't think it's a big deal at all.
At the end of the day I'll take an awesome, fun game running at 900p and 30fps over a boring shitty game running at 1080p and 60fps.
The part of you that demands 1080p and 60fps in all games is the inner super geek in you. The super geek part of your personality that makes you buy overpriced limited edition versions of games with useless action figures and art books...
I can handle 900p too, don't think it's a big deal at all.
At the end of the day I'll take an awesome, fun game running at 900p and 30fps over a boring shitty game running at 1080p and 60fps.
The part of you that demands 1080p and 60fps in all games is the inner super geek in you. The super geek part of your personality that makes you buy overpriced limited edition versions of games with useless action figures and art books...
The graphics clearly have improved though.
People seem to take resolution as the only measure of graphical prowess.
Scorpion Soldier
Member
As much as I prefer framerate over resolution I'm perfectly fine with 30fps. Though it obviously depends on the type of game, and obviously it has to be stable.
FloweryMarston
Member
In my opinion, and i don't think this is for everyone, but the ps4 and xbone have very few must-have games exclusive to their systems, and lot of the best games are cross-gen or remasters, and because of that, people are fixating their discussions and demands on these 2 things since these are the only two main differences between ps4/xbone games and ps3/360 games. In the following months, a lot of games that are exclusive to these systems will launch and it will make the new systems shine and show their improvements compared to last-gen. And most likely the discussion about framerate and resolution will still be here, but much less than what we have now.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
If the consoles were powerful they wouldn't be affordable, but if they were affordable then PC GPUs would also be more affordable and everyone would behave the same. it would be the same scenario as if we were in 5 years with the next batch of consoles.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
I don't think any modern day racing game should be less than 60 FPS.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Not really, but HDTVs are generally terrible at displaying anything other than a locked framerate and a native resolution.
Native resolution and 60FPS are the basics of great game and gameplay quality. If you compromise on that, you compromise the whole game. Nowdays, since PC is in such a good position, playing games at 60FPS is the standard for me and many other people - framerates below that may not exist at all and it would be a good thing for everyone.
GrizzleBoy
Banned
Which is precisely why a totally solid locked 30fps is preferable to an unlocked that fluxuates and causes immersion breaking stutter, usually during times where there is supposed to be most excitement happening on screen.
I couldn't tell you with certainty what res/framerate a single last gen game ran at but it seems to be all gaf wants to talk about this generation.
I did find it very telling that in the recent 360 appreciation thread, nobody's find memories seemed to hinge on the
graphic fidelity of its games.
In a couple of years the dick waving will subside again and nobody will give a shit until PS5/XB2
I did find it very telling that in the recent 360 appreciation thread, nobody's find memories seemed to hinge on the
graphic fidelity of its games.
In a couple of years the dick waving will subside again and nobody will give a shit until PS5/XB2
Nizz
Member
This is where I stand on this as well. I'm enjoying some cross gen games this gen that are 1080p/900p and 60fps and it feels good: TLoU, Tomb Raider
E, Metro: Redux, Wolfenstein: TNO, Battlefield 4, MGS5: GZ.I feel like I own more 60fps games now than last gen. Feels good. But I also own Assassin's Creed 4 and Infamous: SS and those were great experiences for me as well. I know Infamous had an uncapped framerate but the game still played great to me.
What bothers me more than anything is a game dipping below 30fps often. That really disappoints me. I love if a game is 30 to stay at 30 locked. Above 30 (variable) doesn't bother me either.
As far as resolution, as long as the game is above 720p I don't care. I think Battlefield 4 looks amazing at 900p on PS4. And that 60fps is a huge improvement over Battlefield 3 last gen on PS3.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
I see your reasoning for this , but what you have to understand is that games are not strictly viewing experiences. They need response times and fluidity to accommodate player action.
It's like prioritizing color over audio in films.
I'd like 1080p/60. I'm ok with 900p/30. What matters is the game.
I think/hope these reactions calm down after some time. I can understand get frustration though. After a very long previous generation, a new start allows people to hope that this time all their desires will be fulfilled. All games will be lovely 60fps and native res and look great. So when some devs inevitably choose 30fps, they are understandably annoyed.
xbox being 900p in some games is just a function of it being relatively underpowered. I think that will become almost a standard so that graphical detail doesn't suffer too much compared to PS4 and PC. With good scaling it is a good compromise IMO.
I think/hope these reactions calm down after some time. I can understand get frustration though. After a very long previous generation, a new start allows people to hope that this time all their desires will be fulfilled. All games will be lovely 60fps and native res and look great. So when some devs inevitably choose 30fps, they are understandably annoyed.
xbox being 900p in some games is just a function of it being relatively underpowered. I think that will become almost a standard so that graphical detail doesn't suffer too much compared to PS4 and PC. With good scaling it is a good compromise IMO.
You only stop giving any fucks when you get to the more affluent suburbs of PC gaming town. There are still millions of people living in the slums.
J
JoJo UK
Unconfirmed Member
I think a lot of people get wrapped up in the technical aspect for gaming, this goes for PC as well as console gamers however especially noticeable at the beginning of a generation. I know when I was big into my PC gaming I ended up spending a lot of my time messing about with the computer, swapping out hardware, upgrading and overclocking to get that extra 2 fps rather than actually playing, not a bad way to spend your time and I enjoyed it while I was able to do it. When I became a dad I switched back to console gaming for the pick up and play aspect and play games that I enjoy playing. The only caveat would be no less that 30fps or 900p, any combination (1080/30, 900/60, etc) is fine by me.
Lucent
Member
Not gonna deny myself an experience though.
GrizzleBoy
Banned
Lol so true.
I remember being one of the "hurr durr consoles ruining my life, games must max out my £250 gpu or there's no point playing games" group when I was more active on overclock.net, but now I just CBA to even upgrade my PC for max visuals anymore. I just play the damn games.
That's how I view it. I prefer 1080p, but I'm not to avoid a game if it isn't. I like 60FPS games, but some 30FPS games look really good and I won't avoid them if I think it's worthwhile. It's a case-by-case basis.
I just find it annoying that native resolutions mean so little when it's my priority on PC. I understand some games won't, but that doesn't mean I'm not disappointed...Just not enough to avoid a game.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I still think it looks better unlocked at 40-60 than locked at 30, even though it's less than optimal. Console adaptive sync support would have been great, but oh well.
Hmm, a 900p game is actually my most played game, that being BF4 on the PS4. Looks good, but I'm sure it would look better at 1080p. Resolution is important, but if it screws up the fps, I'll take the lower resolution (case in point, Titanfall and its frame drops and tears...I much rather have 720p and solid 60fps.)
The problem with the whole resolution/fps its that if one console (starts with an X) is doing sub-HD games, and another console (starts with a P) is doing HD for the same price of the game, then it becomes a problem.
The problem with the whole resolution/fps its that if one console (starts with an X) is doing sub-HD games, and another console (starts with a P) is doing HD for the same price of the game, then it becomes a problem.
NotSmartEnough
Member
I'm not that sensitive to frame rate and would probably struggle to guess the fps of a given game without a reference point (aging eyes I guess).
I find it quite easy to identify sub-HD resolutions, so would opt for 1080p given the choice. Gameplay is king, but in an age where a lot of people have native 1080p displays devs should be aiming for this rather than relying on scalers to perform awkward conversions.
I find it quite easy to identify sub-HD resolutions, so would opt for 1080p given the choice. Gameplay is king, but in an age where a lot of people have native 1080p displays devs should be aiming for this rather than relying on scalers to perform awkward conversions.
I hate the way these conversations always go: people operate under the assumption that "well PS3 couldn't handle 1080p60 so if PS4 can't then what's the point?" Ignoring that graphical quality isn't defined by numbers and that you can't expect huge increases in image quality as well as increases in frame rate.
I think a part of it, OP, in the case of Xbox One games, is the gnawing awareness that it didn't necessarily have to be that way ('900p/30fps') if the machine had been designed better. A good deal of 'preorder cancelled' comments are sarcasm too, obviously, but as to why it stirs controversy, it's because it's seen as a reflection of something that people still feel annoyed about (the design and priorities of the system).
TommyTosser
Member
I really don't care.
As long as it looks good, has good gameplay and story i'll give it a look.
As long as it looks good, has good gameplay and story i'll give it a look.