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i just realized, from the introducing agent 47 trailer, that he can knock out people barehanded now without any equipment. don't think you could do that before could you?
 
Myomoto said:
Didn't you pistol whip people unconscious in Blood Money?
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Seriously, I read that comment and in my mind that game had some sort of melee, but I really wouldn't be surprised if someone who played it more recently came in here and said that it didn't. You could push people off things, couldn't you punch them as well?

Honestly can't remember.
 
You know what... I really enjoyed that. It was fun and cheesy. I've always thought of the hitman games as over the top and the assassin nuns are right in line with that.
 
Ventilaator said:
Seriously, I read that comment and in my mind that game had some sort of melee, but I really wouldn't be surprised if someone who played it more recently came in here and said that it didn't. You could push people off things, couldn't you punch them as well?

Honestly can't remember.
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You can do both and another one, taking their weapons from their hands.
 
bigboss370 said:
i just realized, from the introducing agent 47 trailer, that he can knock out people barehanded now without any equipment. don't think you could do that before could you?
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You could headbutt them and punch them from the front, or disarm them. From the back/side he would push them. From the back that only knocked out if they went into a wall, over a rail, down stairs, or into a 1 foot deep pile of water. You could use a pistol to take them as a human shield to knock them out, which was most useful.

I don't think these were in the game before blood money, just the disarm.

Derrick01 said:
Yeah that's not creative, stealthy, or fun. That kind of stuff is meant for the bros this game is trying to attract.
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To you, it might not be fun. To others? Maybe. You could just...ignore the guy too, like other hitman games.

I could go into blood money, play A Vintage Year, go down into the drug area and shoot the GAS CANISTER that blows up the entire room. Such a dude bro focused game apparently.
 
Derrick01 said:
As I keep saying in the stealth thread when there's too many options for non stealth stuff you get bad or mediocre stealth games. Human Revolution included. Choice is not a good thing in this regard. There should be 100 different choices for how to stealthily accomplish your goal, but good shooting mechanics and shooting at all really shouldn't be an option. Or a good option at least, they should make it where you're swarmed by dozens of people at the slightest alarm for punishment of exposing yourself.
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I totally disagree with that statement. I for one am the same as you in which I always try to go for the more stealthly approach. But "choice" is actually what has always made the Hitman games so unique compared to everything else in the stealth genre.

If everyone played the same way as you did in past games, and there weren't any other options but stealthly ones, all the incredible stories you hear about how other people played a level would be very much lacking.

bigboss370 said:
i just realized, from the introducing agent 47 trailer, that he can knock out people barehanded now without any equipment. don't think you could do that before could you?
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Yes, grabbing npcs as human shields and then knocking them out was actually really useful in blood money. Especially if you didn't have the time or enough resources to drug them with the syringe.
 
Evolved1 said:
You know what... I really enjoyed that. It was fun and cheesy. I've always thought of the hitman games as over the top and the assassin nuns are right in line with that.
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Really? There's hardly a ton of over the top stuff like that in previous games. Wacky stuff, but still a bit mature.
 
Since a lot of people in this thread still don't seem to get why some folks (like myself) found that trailer distasteful (hint: it's not because it doesn't represent the gameplay of the Hitman series well), read this excellent article:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-05-31-cant-we-discuss-this-like-adults

Money quote:

It's a rubbish trailer, showing absolutely nothing of relevance to the game and actually turning fans of the series off the latest incarnation by suggesting that it's a sub-par action romp rather than a stealthy, fairly cerebral affair - in that alone, the marketing team responsible (who are undoubtedly patting themselves on the back for generating such a media storm around the brand) are desperately underselling the work of the development team, who are working on what is by all accounts a great-looking new game. That's not the key issue, though. What has disturbed many people is that the trailer appears to strongly sexualise and fetishise not just its disposable female characters, but also the actual act of killing them.

Let's be absolutely clear that it's that factor which is the issue. It's not the fact that there are nuns in the game who then turn out to be sexy nun assassins in suspender belts. You want sexy nun assassins in your game trailer? Be my guest. It looks ridiculous, and I don't see them getting much assassinating done while wearing those heels, but if you think your target audience is the demographic slice of people who get turned on by poorly CG rendered assassins in habits and stiletto heels, go for it. Nor is the issue the fact that Agent 47 commits violent acts against women. He's a hitman, assassins are attacking him, he kills them. That's not the problem.

The problem is the interaction between those two things. The thought process of the creators of this trailer is naked for the world to see. Gamers like sexy women. Let's have sexy women, and let's make them sexy nuns because that's edgy. You know what else is edgy? Having the dark anti-hero kill women, rather than the usual faceless male soldiers and thugs. That'll get headlines. Let's do that.

One of two things happens at that point. Either the marketing team managed to completely not realise that the interaction between "sexy" and "violent death" might not be an entirely comfortable one; or they did realise, and went ahead anyway, which labels them as an utterly unpleasant and irresponsible bunch of sociopaths. I'm going with option A. I prefer to see the good in people, even if that means thinking they're a little bit dim.
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Oh come off it, that's not what I'm upset about, that's the last thing anyone should be upset about.

I'm upset about the lack of Agent 47 being a hitman.

That combo of sex and violence is nothing new and I'd rather not see that become a thing.

Though yes, having fetish nuns attack 47 when they had no reason to be dressed as nuns, nor any reason to have that much leather on was incredibly dumb.
 
Lemming_JRS said:
Since a lot of people in this thread still don't seem to get why some folks (like myself) found that trailer distasteful (hint: it's not because it doesn't represent the gameplay of the Hitman series well), read this excellent article:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-05-31-cant-we-discuss-this-like-adults

Money quote:
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I completely see their point and I thought of the same thing when I watched it, but I still enjoyed it. I thought the combination was a ballsy move and I like that. Visually it looked neat and it was disturbing/intriguing at the same time.
 
It's a rubbish trailer, showing absolutely nothing of relevance to the game and actually turning fans of the series off the latest incarnation by suggesting that it's a sub-par action romp rather than a stealthy, fairly cerebral affair - in that alone, the marketing team responsible (who are undoubtedly patting themselves on the back for generating such a media storm around the brand) are desperately underselling the work of the development team, who are working on what is by all accounts a great-looking new game. That's not the key issue, though. What has disturbed many people is that the trailer appears to strongly sexualise and fetishise not just its disposable female characters, but also the actual act of killing them.

Let's be absolutely clear that it's that factor which is the issue. It's not the fact that there are nuns in the game who then turn out to be sexy nun assassins in suspender belts. You want sexy nun assassins in your game trailer? Be my guest. It looks ridiculous, and I don't see them getting much assassinating done while wearing those heels, but if you think your target audience is the demographic slice of people who get turned on by poorly CG rendered assassins in habits and stiletto heels, go for it. Nor is the issue the fact that Agent 47 commits violent acts against women. He's a hitman, assassins are attacking him, he kills them. That's not the problem.

The problem is the interaction between those two things. The thought process of the creators of this trailer is naked for the world to see. Gamers like sexy women. Let's have sexy women, and let's make them sexy nuns because that's edgy. You know what else is edgy? Having the dark anti-hero kill women, rather than the usual faceless male soldiers and thugs. That'll get headlines. Let's do that.

One of two things happens at that point. Either the marketing team managed to completely not realise that the interaction between "sexy" and "violent death" might not be an entirely comfortable one; or they did realise, and went ahead anyway, which labels them as an utterly unpleasant and irresponsible bunch of sociopaths. I'm going with option A. I prefer to see the good in people, even if that means thinking they're a little bit dim.
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I don't get it as well. Who is this Rob Fahey hack? What a pedantic, morally self righteous slavering waste of human flesh. Honestly what is his argument? I read the entire article, but he has yet to make a point.

EDIT: Wait, please don't tell me he correlates that silly mindless video to Snuff-Pornography?!? Please! Was anyone sexually aroused by the trailer?
 
PrinceOfApathy said:
I don't get it as well. Who is this Rob Fahey hack? What a pedantic, morally self righteous slavering waste of human flesh. Honestly what is his argument? I read the entire article, but he has yet to make a point.
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He prefers to see the good in people, he like's sexy nuns and murdering.
But not at the same time!
 
Meccanical said:
Oh come off it, that's not what I'm upset about, that's the last thing anyone should be upset about.

I'm upset about the lack of Agent 47 being a hitman.

That combo of sex and violence is nothing new and I'd rather not see that become a thing.

Though yes, having fetish nuns attack 47 when they had no reason to be dressed as nuns, nor any reason to have that much leather on was incredibly dumb.
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I dunno, I just assumed the hitman guy had upset a group of assassins and that dressing as nuns was there thing. Like, people would be all, "We need this guy dead," and some boss would be like, "Get the nuns." It reminded me of a Tarantino movie for some reason.

There's all types of people dressed in ridiculous outfits in every form of media. I don't think over much about these people being nuns, just like I don't think about the men in the movie 300 wearing loinclothes to battle. It is what it is. /shrug
 
Skilletor said:
I dunno, I just assumed the hitman guy had upset a group of assassins and that dressing as nuns was there thing. Like, people would be all, "We need this guy dead," and some boss would be like, "Get the nuns." It reminded me of a Tarantino movie for some reason.
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Congratulations, someones gets it.
It's silly, it's over the top, overanalyzing it is just silly.
 
derFeef said:
Congratulations, someones gets it.
It's silly, it's over the top, overanalyzing it is just silly.
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I guess, with me, I don't need my games to be anything but games. I don't look at games and think, "It really doesn't make much sense for Cammy to be fighting in a swimsuit," or, "With arms that large, it must be extremely difficult for Marcus to wipe his ass."

They're games. I don't need them to be anything more than games. I look elsewhere for commentary on society.
 
It's sad that they had to stoop so low to cater to an audience that probably won't buy the game. They'll be too busy playing Black Ops 2 to even care about any of this raunchy stuff they're trying to pull.
 
Skilletor said:
I dunno, I just assumed the hitman guy had upset a group of assassins and that dressing as nuns was there thing. Like, people would be all, "We need this guy dead," and some boss would be like, "Get the nuns." It reminded me of a Tarantino movie for some reason.

There's all types of people dressed in ridiculous outfits in every form of media. I don't think over much about these people being nuns, just like I don't think about the men in the movie 300 wearing loinclothes to battle. It is what it is. /shrug
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Pretty much
 
derFeef said:
Congratulations, someones gets it.
It's silly, it's over the top, overanalyzing it is just silly.
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Sorry if you felt that I was rubbing your face in it by quoting the article, I just figured most people wouldn't click on the link and read the whole damn thing.

And regardless of whether or not you found the violence in the trailer distasteful or not - I did, sorry, go ahead and revoke my bro card - I think that trailer was a pretty goddamn cynical way to market a game. "Hey, sex and violence sells, right? Let's have Agent 47 beat the shit out of a bunch of sexy nuns, even if it has nothing to do with the game!"

moving on...
 
derFeef said:
That's true, I agree.
Hitman was never a true stealth game though.
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Well, no, but neither was it anything approaching an action game. It's a puzzle game at its core. This is what I'm worried the developers don't understand when they say "there's still stealth in the game guys"
 
Lemming_JRS said:
Sorry if you felt that I was rubbing your face in it by quoting the article, I just figured most people wouldn't click on the link and read the whole damn thing.

And regardless of whether or not you found the violence in the trailer distasteful or not - I did, sorry, go ahead and revoke my bro card - I think that trailer was a pretty goddamn cynical way to market a game. "Hey, sex and violence sells, right? Let's have Agent 47 beat the shit out of a bunch of sexy nuns, even if it has nothing to do with the game!"

moving on...
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Or maybe it does have something to do with the game? Who knows. It's likely an E3 tie in, and as weird as fetish nuns having some role in the game may seem, in BM you already take out three skantily clad female assassins.
 
That was the worst game related trailer I have seen in the last few years.
And I thought Dragon Age: Origin's "new shit" was bad... jesus christ.
 
the white knighting in response to this trailer is amusing. it was camp, neo-grind house fantasty, the way he closed the last nuns eyes made the trailer for me, "Send in The Nuns" is exactly what i was thinking of, this trailer personally elevated the Agent 47 character from B teir game assassin boasting a movie tie in and the adulation of the PC crowd, to an almost Golgo13 level of brutal survivability.
 
More relevant:

The Article said:
The response? A backlash against those who have raised voices in criticism of the video. You expect the cries of "feminazis!" or eye-rolling at the "PC brigade" from the 14 year old boys (and men who have failed to develop intellectually beyond that stage) who frequent forums and think they're being brave and edgy by pronouncing all women to be sluts, and so on, and so forth, ad nauseum. What's disappointing and even borderline upsetting is the equally strong reaction from many within the games media and the wider games industry - people who would set themselves forward as being culturally aware observers of the medium, but whose reactions have suggested that they're being so quick to defend videogames that they're not even prepared to understand the problem.

The bulk of the rapid responses which have defended the Hitman trailer are complete straw man arguments. They defend things which are not being attacked, arguing for the right to include sexy women in trailers (which is a bit tiresome but not the issue here), the right to include violence against women in games (which again, isn't the issue here) or simple arguments from the standpoint of freedom of expression (again, absolutely not the issue - nobody says Square Enix shouldn't be allowed to make a trailer like this, just that they should have more sense). Absolutely none of the responses that I have seen have actually addressed the issues being raised. Either those responding simply don't understand the issue as it's being presented, or they understand that the real nub of this matter is something quite indefensible, and that the best way to defend it is by distraction and whataboutery.
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I find the reaction, or more precisely the counter-reaction, extremely troubling.
 
Lemming_JRS said:
"Hey, sex and violence sells, right? Let's have Agent 47 beat the shit out of a bunch of sexy nuns, even if it has nothing to do with the game!"
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In that brief and mostly pointless dev commentary they point out that the Saints are from the Agency, so presumably they'll be featured in the game.
 
Clones.

Gonna be so many clones.

Every level, clone nuns everywhere.

I have to say the other trailer makes me feel a lot better about Absolution. Goddamn Inception Horns though.
 
I don't think the trailer was distasteful, however I understand people who say it is. I think this is the way of saying that the agency is chasing 47, and they're just as trained as him (although he's still is the best, after all, he did kill all of them), and being dressed as nuns show that 47 is not safe from anyone.

Remember how in Blood Money there were
assassins who chased 47 disguised too? And how two of them were women that 47 could murder without them defending themselves and actually pleading for their lives? Although they weren't nuns, so I understand they're point.

D4Danger said:
didn't he just kill them all?
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He did. But have you killed them?
 
Lemming_JRS said:
Since a lot of people in this thread still don't seem to get why some folks (like myself) found that trailer distasteful (hint: it's not because it doesn't represent the gameplay of the Hitman series well), read this excellent article:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-05-31-cant-we-discuss-this-like-adults

Money quote:
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I can't say I really agree with his issues with the trailer. More specifically the "interaction" between sexy nuns and the violence against them. He says each of those two things is fine in their own right, but put them together and you have a problem.

47 is defending himself against a bunch of scantily clad women, that's what I see. Is it blatant pandering? Absolutely.

Do I think it sexualizes violence against women? Not really. The close up shots during the fight are close up shots on the action, not the women themselves. The only closeups that glorify the women and that outfits take place before the fight.
 
keltickennedy said:
I totally disagree with that statement. I for one am the same as you in which I always try to go for the more stealthly approach. But "choice" is actually what has always made the Hitman games so unique compared to everything else in the stealth genre.

If everyone played the same way as you did in past games, and there weren't any other options but stealthly ones, all the incredible stories you hear about how other people played a level would be very much lacking.
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There should be a ton of options. Drug a guy's drink, rig something to fall or explode, etc. I did say there should be 100 stealthy ways to do everything :P.

Just running up like you're playing COD and shooting the guy in the head shouldn't be a realistic choice. Not without severe consequences.
 
Derrick01 said:
There should be a ton of options. Drug a guy's drink, rig something to fall or explode, etc. I did say there should be 100 stealthy ways to do everything :P.

Just running up like you're playing COD and shooting the guy in the head shouldn't be a realistic choice. Not without severe consequences.
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Depends on the mission goal. Why shouldn't killing dudes be an option?
 
bigboss370 said:
i don't get it. he's saying having sexy nuns is fine, and killing women is fine, but killing sexy nun women is not? what?
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It's because he wants to be mad about something but realizes there is nothing to legitimately be mad about. So he tosses two HOT BUTTON ISSUES (sex, women) in the air and says "Look at all these problems!".
 
It's their cover, they aren't actually nuns.

the truth is they are sexy killers pretending to be nuns with guns.

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