QuiteWhittle
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Neither of them are technically spinoffs.Skilletor said:
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New information on FF Versus XIII and Agito XIII from Nomura
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H_Prestige
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QuiteWhittle said:
True. But I wouldn't consider them main entries either. Just intermediate games meant to fill in holes.
But the two games this thread is about, those are the definition of "spinoff" (not that there is anything wrong with that).
Nose Master
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H_Prestige said:
BbS should have really just been called KH3.
The Praiseworthy
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H_Prestige said:
I have to agree with this!
H_Prestige
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Nose Master said:
That would be confusing because timeline-wise, it is KH0.
H_Prestige
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BlueWord said:
That's true. But at the end of the day, it only matters what SE themselves name it, and they didn't name it KH3. I think Nomura has even referenced KH3 a number of times as some future project, and not BBS.
Rahxephon91
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I wonder if there will be a lot of cg in this. I hope so and it sounds like its not taking the KH approach.
Itchy//Tasty
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duckroll said:
As a batshit crazy fan of the game, I completely agree with the ideas in this post. 1:1 fights are great and all, but I think the real step forward with a sequel would be 2 on 2, whatever form that may take. A tag/swap system would be the simplest idea, but another could be to call on assistance from supporting characters, similar to the assistant trophies from Smash Bros. Brawl. This could make for a more exciting game and a perfectly justifiable reason to drown the sequel in classic characters - giving fans everything they could want from a nerdy crossover.
(edit) In retrospect you articulated this idea a lot better than I did.Story - Why use up all that disc space with KH-style cutscenes when you could give us more content instead? I would LOVE to see the story told using the in-game engines of all the FF's, respective to each characters story, like Terra's would be told using FFVI sprites. Simple and very very effective. The story was nice in Dissidia but it kinda overbeared what was essentially a damn good arena fighting game.
More content - I want much more music and arenas, and different EX modes, not just the same attacks over and over. More rules, options, modes, things to tweak, giving it that Smash Bros 'toy box' feel.
Characters - realistically, three characters from FFI to XIII each, or at a push four, plus surprises. I would like KH to have some kind of presence just so the game can justifiably have all that glorious battle music the series is famous for. I think Ramza would also be good. I can see some villains being chopped and changed - maybe, say Cloud of Darkness for Xande, Exdeath for Gilgamesh, Ultimecia for Edea etc.
Must-include characters, IMO: Kain, Tifa, Vivi, Seifer, Yuna, Balthier, Lightning.
Itchy//Tasty said:As a batshit crazy fan of the game, I completely agree with the ideas in this post. 1:1 fights are great and all, but I think the real step forward with a sequel would be 2 on 2, whatever form that may take. A tag/swap system would be the simplest idea, but another could be to call on assistance from supporting characters, similar to the assistant trophies from Smash Bros. Brawl. This could make for a more exciting game and a perfectly justifiable reason to drown the sequel in classic characters - giving fans everything they could want from a nerdy crossover.
At this point, going for a sort of 2 v 2 set-up will likely be what they have in mind (especially if the game remains on the PSP). After all, by this point, even the likes of RGG/Yakuza's PSP game are going to have a 2 v 2 Brawl mode, and Bamco+Capcom's Gundam Vs. series has long since made it into a main attraction. If SE hasn't already considered the notion of pushing for 2 v 2 as a least another play mode, they had ought to.
Yeah, this. This right here. I could really see Dissidia's meta-game taking on a life of its own (and even better, splintering off into different factions, if need be), if they pushed for something that allowed for more "order" from the chaos. It definitely worked for Smash, and I could see Dissidia doing similar.
Kagari said:
I prefer this, honestly. Makes things appear more consistent.
Though, I will say that FFXIII, for all it's faults, obviously went to great lengths to minimize the gap between CG and real time, and was very successful in doing so. I'd expect nothing less from Versus.
Shadowlink
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So they still haven't released a gameplay trailer yet?
AndriaSang
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Shadowlink said:
The only gameplay is still the "test footage" they showed behind curtain at TGS last year as far as I know. At Jump, they showed a short realtime cut scene.
Fimbulvetr
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Shadowlink said:
Oh, you and your expectations.
So I'd be totally clueless what the story was upon playing KH3 if I didn't play this? I have a strong feeling that's not true. Call me crazy. CoM was most certainly a spinoff. The relevant info there was thin.Skilletor said:
Still, my interest is at an all time low regarding the faux complexity of the KH universe.
Fimbulvetr
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Yasae said:
Actually you'd be pretty damn clueless.
Just like KH2 and COM. Stuff about Sora randomly waking up in a pod and Namine would be confusing if you didn't play or spoil COM.
Shadowlink
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So meaning they still haven't showed the public anything besides those scans from a while back. Hopefully that means we see some gameplay at TGS!AndriaSang said:
TreIII said:
That's not the only thing. The original Dissidia (with JP voices, not Universal Tuning) will be re-released as Ultimate Hits on 16th Sept. It will also be released on PSN, making both Dissidia releases in Japan available on PSN finally.
Clearly they're gearing up for something.
Pureauthor
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ULTROS! said:
Maybe we'd actually get to fight Jihl.
Haha shyeah right.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
ULTROS! said:
What's his face.. the "CODE WHITE" guy ..
noirebanana
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Barthandelus?
Pureauthor
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ULTROS! said:
Then they're still screwed on the FFXIII front, aren't they.
ULTROS! said:
But it maybe becaue of this that we see someone other then Main Lead/Villian in.
Fang being against Roy Mustang would fit pretty well given their relationship in game not only that but it would add yet another character to the villian side that isn't there because they are evi.
Itchy//Tasty
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The only antagonist in FFXIII I actually liked was
With Dissidia II, I would be excited to give Lightning some REAL villians to fight (Sephiroth, Kefka..), as it was sorely lacking in her actual game.
Regarding FFXII, most of the heroes have an opposing force: Balthier=Cid, Ashe=Vayne, Basch=Gabranth, Vaan=no-one in particular. So any of those could work. I think the most likely is Ashe and Vayne, but that would eliminate Balthier....your move, Square.
Cid Raines, who wasn't a villain but being manipulated by the Fal'Cie, I thought his character was well done and could definitely see his 'ultimate' form being a good playable in Dissidia. Problem is, he's not really a bad guy (or Light's Nemesis), but then Golbez and Jecht are pretty morally grey, too.
With Dissidia II, I would be excited to give Lightning some REAL villians to fight (Sephiroth, Kefka..), as it was sorely lacking in her actual game.
Regarding FFXII, most of the heroes have an opposing force: Balthier=Cid, Ashe=Vayne, Basch=Gabranth, Vaan=no-one in particular. So any of those could work. I think the most likely is Ashe and Vayne, but that would eliminate Balthier....your move, Square.
BlueSummers
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Edit: New statements about the visuals improving has me salivating. Haven't been this hyped for a TGS in years.
BlueSummers said:Taken from a gamefaqs thread but I have not seen this info yet, so forgive me if i'm wrong.
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/08/15/nomura_3rd_birthday_twitter/
Nomura says that the graphics have significally improved since the last time the game was shwon and that it looks like 'real footage.'
I thought it was worth a bump and not a full new thread. Expections are high...ROLL ON TGS!
Read above.
Seda said:
i played com on gba for 6-7 hours before i quit in boredom,never finished it...played kh2,thought i understand most of it,got the english version of recom later and played through both playthroughs (it was still boring as hell but the cutscenes kept me playing)
so,i played kh2 before com and still think com isn't necessary because kh2 itself explains the relevant stuff pretty well in flashbacks
Okay but I played the two mainline games. There was nothing confusing about it. It's not required reading. The void isn't nearly as vast as removing KH 1 and 2 and trying to piece things together. They're not spinoffs, fine, I don't care. That doesn't raise my interest.Fimbulvetr said:
Pureauthor
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Yasae said:
I'm going to have to ask you what you want from KH games in the first place.
BocoDragon
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Rename this thread to "Square Enix Chat Room".
cosmicblizzard
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Skilletor said:
Admitting to playing 358/2 for the gameplay is worse than admitting to playing it for the story.
krimsoncharge
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has this been posted anywhere?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzkyvUbGpyA
sorry cant make a new thread. if someone does the honor, plz give me my 2secs of fame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzkyvUbGpyA
sorry cant make a new thread. if someone does the honor, plz give me my 2secs of fame.