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Jaded Alyx said:Is it really a slider? Why'd they go back to a slider after they gave the DSi a rocker?
Likely because buttonns break easier.
Jaded Alyx said:Is it really a slider? Why'd they go back to a slider after they gave the DSi a rocker?
MrBelmontvedere said:easy piracy has all but killed off DS as a moneymaker for Nintendo.
orioto said:The cellphone penetration is kinda unstoppable, as everyone in the future, from kids to old people, will have a smart phone at some point. If they know they can play with it, they won't (or there parents won't) buy something else, cause of money, place in the pocket, handbags.. etc.. Unfortunately, the future is about a everything in one device.
szaromir said:they may switch to 3rd party development.
plagiarize said:i need to go back to England to retrain myself in the ways of sarcasm.
My post was sarcasticMrBelmontvedere said:the PC in is a period of resurgence right now because the consoles are ~5 years old, and well past their "use by" date (aka they are old and covered in cobwebs). when a new generation is released (that should happen in 2 years? 3 years? MS has said up to 5 years...) that typically gets reversed and consoles go into resurgence over PC gaming. for now it all still appears to be cyclical.
when the new generation arrives (don't hold your breath waiting...) the mentality will switch and people will be saying "forget PC gaming, I can do all that on my PS4."
charlequin said:Nah, just move to New England -- all of the sarcasm, but with much better food!
AceBandage said:Not a fan of boiled meat?
charlequin said:Nah, just move to New England -- all of the sarcasm, but with much better food!
charlequin said:Putting aside anything I may or may not have against English cuisine itself, I have a friend over there who has never had a burrito.
ILikeFeet said:diarrea is an American staple!
Quoted for form and substance. Well put, charlequin.charlequin said:Cutting-edge iterative technologies will advance beyond what fixed-function stable platforms do; that is the purpose of cutting-edge iterative technologies. That doesn't mean that well-designed, fixed-function closed systems are obsolete or not well suited in many ways to the purpose they're put to.
Boney said:*ahem*
I guess the days are finally taking the tolls on us.
Sickboy007 said:So, how would you feel about a packed-in Avatar?
Sickboy007 said:So, how would you feel about a packed-in Avatar?
Well, in Europe the DS software sales took a nosedive, though, and piracy is an important reason for it. Some aquaintances of mine, who own game shops, are literally whining every time I'm talking with them that the only reason people visit their shops anymore is to ask whether or not they are selling "those SD cards".charlequin said:DS software sales remain exceedingly high and produce approximately one metric fuckton of money for Nintendo every quarter, so the idea that piracy has "killed" the profitability of the DS is total bullshit.
charlequin said:The ideal of convergence that people in the tech business like to push is that instead of a bunch of unique devices that do individual things great, you can get one device that does all those things shittily. There are lots of people who for whatever reason seem to love this idea, but the reality of convergence is that it only actually works when a convergence product is 100% as good for every purpose the target audience uses the standalone device for. In order to predict convergence, you have to look at how people use their devices and what functionality they'd lose by moving to an all-in-one.
The issue with smartphones replacing dedicated gaming systems is that .99c casual games and $5 serious-but-compact titles (collectively still what butters the bread of phone game sales) don't replace what the majority of the portable gaming market buy systems for, and $800 smartphones themselves don't fill many of the market niches for portable gaming systems either (especially kids.) If anything, people should be talking about how the iPod Touch will kill portable gaming, but the economics of that business aren't all lined up yet (only Apple is really offering a product like this and even they have to cut a lot of corners to price it where they want it.)
Ultimately we've all seen how PC gaming worked out: economically viable and worthwhile of consideration for all gaming enthusiasts, but in no way whatsoever a replacement for dedicated gaming consoles. I very much expect phones and handhelds to have a similar relationship for a long time to come, and if/when they do merge together it'll be a result of phones changing to move closer to handhelds.
ILikeFeet said:Avatar would make the 3DS more popular. "See Avatar like you seen it in theaters. But WITHOUT glasses"
but if you want something more kid-friendly (a PG movie instead of a PG13 one) then How To Train Your Dragon would do good. I would say Tangled or that Owl movie but they want those in theaters first. unless they work out a deal and make it exclusive to the 3DS until they come out on DVD and Blu Ray
Pissed. I already watched it one time too much (once).Sickboy007 said:So, how would you feel about a packed-in Avatar?
Gamecube has shown that platform based on solely Nintendo software has limited appeal. Granted Nintendo got a lot smarter since that era with their software design, but still their device has to offer some features beyond what competition is already offering at the time.BishopLamont said:As long as Nintendo software is exclusive people will have to buy their hardware for it. Essentially, consumers have no choice on hardware.
Really insightful.charlequin said:Oh my fucking God.
ShockingAlberto said:I guess I would watch it once, stick it somewhere in a corner, and never stop wondering if I paid extra for it.
szaromir said:Really insightful.
Willy105 said:Toy Story 3
Boney said:No movies, I just want the augmented reality demo.
szaromir said:Gamecube has shown that platform based on solely Nintendo software has limited appeal. Granted Nintendo got a lot smarter since that era with their software design, but still their device has to offer some features beyond what competition is already offering at the time.
Really insightful.
GBA was definitely the market leader though, with tons of 3rd party support. I don't know what the future will be like, I only suggested that it might be a better option for Nintendo to become software-only company, not that they will or that's an immediate future.apana said:Yeah but they still made a nice profit on the gamecube and gba. Nintendo can always figure something out and when they cant they will fall back on old franchises.
I would questioned Nintendo behavior.Sickboy007 said:So, how would you feel about a packed-in Avatar?
Nintendo is what it is because it it the only game company with integrated hardware/software divisions.szaromir said:GBA was definitely the market leader though, with tons of 3rd party support. I don't know what the future will be like, I only suggested that it might be a better option for Nintendo to become software-only company, not that they will or that's an immediate future.
so?ILikeFeet said:this would be a good idea. will probably work better as this is a gaming unit, not a multimedia device. however, since it can play movies (and music by extension), you can't exacly say it isn't one
szaromir said:GBA was definitely the market leader though, with tons of 3rd party support. I don't know what the future will be like, I only suggested that it might be a better option for Nintendo to become software-only company, not that they will or that's an immediate future.
i *live* in New England and the above is not accurate. people rag on the british for having 'bland' food, but here in New England i have to buy my spices and hot sauces off the internet.charlequin said:Nah, just move to New England -- all of the sarcasm, but with much better food!
I'd say Nintendo as a console manufacturer would disappear and all the dev teams would migrate to other studios rather than Nintendo being this huge 3rd partyszaromir said:GBA was definitely the market leader though, with tons of 3rd party support. I don't know what the future will be like, I only suggested that it might be a better option for Nintendo to become software-only company, not that they will or that's an immediate future.
And the DS and Wii have shown that plattforms based solely on Nintendo software can have an enormous appeal. (Yes, I know, there are many great and great-selling 3rd party games especially on the DS, but it's due to Nintendo's software that DS and Wii become to the blockbuster-consoles they are)szaromir said:Gamecube has shown that platform based on solely Nintendo software has limited appeal. Granted Nintendo got a lot smarter since that era with their software design, but still their device has to offer some features beyond what competition is already offering at the time.
plagiarize said:i *live* in New England and the above is not accurate. people rag on the british for having 'bland' food, but here in New England i have to buy my spices and hot sauces off the internet.
here in New England you cannot buy Doritos most popular limited edition flavour whenever they bring it out, because people in New England say things like 'I don't like lite Ranch because it's too spicy' or 'this new Dominos pizza sauce is a bit too spicy for my liking'.
traditional English food is terrible. that's why hardly anyone in England eats it any more and instead we have all these awesome alternatives.
i think i went off topic a bit.
It'd be a great marketing tool. Just as the Spiderman movie bundled with launch PSPs was a 'woa, look at that gorgeous screen' seller.Sickboy007 said:So, how would you feel about a packed-in Avatar?
The thing is, by having propretiary hardware, your own software sales will go through the roof.Gravijah said:Nintendo made tons of profit on one of their biggest flops (GameCube)... Why the hell would it be smart to go software only at some point in the future?
DS remained the market leader with bigger 3rd party support than GBA and 3DS will have bigger market share and 3rd party support than DS. I can't find a single reason Nintendo becoming a software-only company.szaromir said:GBA was definitely the market leader though, with tons of 3rd party support. I don't know what the future will be like, I only suggested that it might be a better option for Nintendo to become software-only company, not that they will or that's an immediate future.
Chris1964 said:DS remained the market leader with bigger 3rd party support than GBA and 3DS will have bigger market share and 3rd party support than DS. I can't find a single reason Nintendo becoming a software-only company.
The DS is Nintendo's most successful handheld, the Wii is Nintendo's most successful home-console. After these recent successes your are seriously proposing that Nintendo should become a software-only company?szaromir said:GBA was definitely the market leader though, with tons of 3rd party support. I don't know what the future will be like, I only suggested that it might be a better option for Nintendo to become software-only company, not that they will or that's an immediate future.
wrowa said:And the DS and Wii have shown that plattforms based solely on Nintendo software can have an enormous appeal. (Yes, I know, there are many great and great-selling 3rd party games especially on the DS, but it's due to Nintendo's software that DS and Wii become to the blockbuster-consoles they are)
What this shows, though, is that Nintendo needs new software that appeals to the "zeitgeist" and becomes the next big thing. New iterations of Nintendogs, Brain Training and Mario etc won't be enough in order to continue the enormous success of the DS - because as Orioto already stated: casuals can be satisfied with cell phone games and Facebook games. Nintendo has to win their attention with something new and simply offering the old stuff "now in 3D!" could very well be too less to win their hearts.
Boney said:so?
add a trailer if you want, I'm sure we'll be able to stream them as well, it's a gaming device first and foremost. Fuck watching crappy movies in tiny screens
To enjoy more sales from the software side of things? OK, I'm done with this discussion, there's no point in me speculating and I'm probably wrong.Gravijah said:Nintendo made tons of profit on one of their biggest flops (GameCube)... Why the hell would it be smart to go software only at some point in the future?
Vic said:I believe that when we'll see unique gaming experiences that can only be achievable on the 3DS, people will shut up about this smartphone overlapping dedicated gaming handheld nonsense for a while.
szaromir said:To enjoy more sales from the software side of things? OK, I'm done with this discussion, there's no point in me speculating and I'm probably wrong.
orioto said:Hmm, let's talk real here. Gamers seems to live in some fantasy world where there exigences in term of game are the same as the mass market...
That's why i was speaking about gamers who will still prefer a real handled, and kids who prefer something that's more like a toy for them. But, but but, don't ever forget that the NDS and Wii generation have this particular specificity that they opened the market to casuals. And believe me, the soccer mom who bought wii fit, wii sport, the dads who bought brainstorm, the girls who bought nintendogs etc... The ones that made the NDS and Wii an "abnormal" success for a Nintendo console in recent years... Those ones, they can find everything they need on on iphone.
And i know the gamer intelligentsia has no problem to decide angry birds or those things, or facebook games, are shit and not "real" videogames, but you may be surprised by the future of this industry. I'm pretty certain that even some gamers played a lot more of this game than they did with any console games in the last months. And they actually enjoyed it a lot, but hey, i guess it wasn't "gaming" or worthy of being called gaming. Nintendo would have been pretty happy with a device and this game by their own department, believe me, they wouldn't be ashamed of it, at all.
People should just face it. Things are changing, and if the iphone doesn't allow lots of genre, due to the ergonomic, that's doesn't mean he doesn't represent a giant mainstream gaming platform for a whole demographic, growing up more fastly than anything.
Now, the NDS is a market phenomenon, and the 3DS will probably sell A LOT, just based on the momentum, but that's not meaning anything on the long term. Everything was fine for Nintendo in 94, except for the fact that their view were wayyy too far from what the market would inevitably become 1 year later (playstation, older gamers, focus on sport, cool, jamiroquai, espn, simulations.. what made the playstation cool). Sometime, everything seems to go fine, but the worlds is already collapsing under your foot.
They do. As for the first point, are you suggesting Nintendo is subsidizing their software development from hardware profits?Gravijah said:Because third parties are all doing so well! Don't hardware manfuacturers also make licensing money off of other peoples game sales?
szaromir said:They do. As for the first point, are you suggesting Nintendo is subsidizing their software development from hardware profits?
apana said:Really you're all over the place I dont know where to start. Nintendo has always acknowledged that they compete with a lot of other entertainment platforms and that it's their job to get the expanded audience actively interested in gaming. Or is this just another variation of Nintendo is perpetually doomed mantra that keeps getting louder the more succesful they become.
You can't be seriously comparing the software output and quality for the GC generation and this generation. You know why it was limited in appeal? Look at the software released for it. They're about to come out with the the friggin 3DS, of all three console manufacturers, you're worried Nintendo is going to be the one to be complacent in the hardware innovation department, when its the key to setting their software apart from other consoles?szaromir said:Gamecube has shown that platform based on solely Nintendo software has limited appeal. Granted Nintendo got a lot smarter since that era with their software design, but still their device has to offer some features beyond what competition is already offering at the time.
Really insightful.