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New PlayStation Network Terms of Service Include a No Suing Sony Clause
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ULTROS! said:
1: It was a woman. She won. Because she really had a case, and the lawsuit was not stupid.
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm
2: Let us know when you are sure. But judging by your other examples...
3: Urban legend. http://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/microwavedpet.asp
Azure Dream
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antonz said:
Well that's just... fucking horrible. Way to go Supreme Court.
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
jorma said:
Glad to know the 1st one's real story, and the 3rd one being a myth.
I don't really look into the lawsuits thing (I belong into a forgive-and-forget culture), so I apologize for any wrong assumptions, etc.
graywolf323
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jorma said:
nope she was stupid
Castor Krieg
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graywolf323 said:
Read the case, she was not stupid. McDonalds was at fault here. I do not agree with the amount of compensation ordered (-20% for 20% fault LOL), but she had a case.
This might be new for video games (I thought I had seen something like this before) but arbitration clauses aren't exactly new.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration_clause
It then mentions a case from 2000, so these things have been around at least a decade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration_clause
It then mentions a case from 2000, so these things have been around at least a decade.
SolarPowered
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well well wellantonz said:
graywolf323
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Castor Krieg said:
she opened a cup of hot coffee in a moving car and put it in her lap, that's stupid regardless of how hot the coffee is
even now with McDonalds keeping their coffee cooler that's gonna hurt
blitzcloud
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is the story of the woman who tried to sneak away from a bar/pub without paying by exiting from the toilet window, fell and crushed her teeth, making the owner pay the full reconstruction of the teeth and also a compensation real?
I mean, you can build a case because if the place was on fire maybe one would burn before exiting through the toilets... but the case is that she was trying to get away.
I dont understand why anyone would consider it safe to drive one-handed while taking care of the coffee, when even if it wasn't as hot as it was, it would have still caused a problem if it was at the normal coffee heat.
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Or that case about the woman who found a chicken head shaped mcnugget, didnt even bite it, and asked for a million dollars or something like that. hell, if I found i'd be like... hell yeah, now I know it's actually chicken!
I mean, you can build a case because if the place was on fire maybe one would burn before exiting through the toilets... but the case is that she was trying to get away.
I dont understand why anyone would consider it safe to drive one-handed while taking care of the coffee, when even if it wasn't as hot as it was, it would have still caused a problem if it was at the normal coffee heat.
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Or that case about the woman who found a chicken head shaped mcnugget, didnt even bite it, and asked for a million dollars or something like that. hell, if I found i'd be like... hell yeah, now I know it's actually chicken!
phosphor112
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Hmm... if that clause is in regards to suing them over PSN.. sure. It's their service. Don't like it? Don't use it, but other parts of Sony? I don't agree with it. For example some bad shit has happened with other companies in terms of warranty issues or customer service. Though, since it's an "End User License Agreement" when signing into PSN.. I'll assume it's just for PSN.
Even at 140 degrees (the temp that home coffee is brewed at) you WILL get blistering burns. PVC pipes and polycomposite materials used for tubs are rated for 140 degree water, which is the highest a water heater can heat water. That said, that water is INSIDE the heater, meaning once it leaves the heater it cools down. Any hotter, and that water will burn you instantly.
I worked at Dunkin' Donuts for a year and they always brewed their coffee at a toasty 199 degrees (no joke). Not only does that allow a better flavor in the brew, but it allows a quicker brew. Those are two things that are huge in customer service. Quality and speed. Don't like it too hot? Don't bitch or ask for a few cubes of ice.
People just sue just to fucking sue and it pisses me off. Sure companies have their bullshit sometimes, but others business turn to utter shit because instead of giving people what they want, they make sure their fucking hardest that they can't get sued.
AMUSIX said:
Even at 140 degrees (the temp that home coffee is brewed at) you WILL get blistering burns. PVC pipes and polycomposite materials used for tubs are rated for 140 degree water, which is the highest a water heater can heat water. That said, that water is INSIDE the heater, meaning once it leaves the heater it cools down. Any hotter, and that water will burn you instantly.
I worked at Dunkin' Donuts for a year and they always brewed their coffee at a toasty 199 degrees (no joke). Not only does that allow a better flavor in the brew, but it allows a quicker brew. Those are two things that are huge in customer service. Quality and speed. Don't like it too hot? Don't bitch or ask for a few cubes of ice.
People just sue just to fucking sue and it pisses me off. Sure companies have their bullshit sometimes, but others business turn to utter shit because instead of giving people what they want, they make sure their fucking hardest that they can't get sued.
phosphor112
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kpop100 said:
why? has geo been messing with anything lately?
Castor Krieg said:
While I think that McDonald's should've lowered the temperature (which people would be pissed about since most tend to love hot coffee, I don't really care since I don't like hot coffee), I still believe the lady was stupid.
She put the cup in between her legs ffs, anyone with common sense would not do that:
-Hot liquid inside (unless she was expecting it to be cold(er)? which would make her even more stupid given that she had just ordered it
-She took the lid off a styrofoam cup, which is the part of the cup that helps it hold its shape. Combine that with the "putting between her legs" and most of the times you will spill the contents of the cup
-Why didn't she use the cup holder on her car? even when my car is parked, I dont put drinks in between my legs regardless of whether the drink is hot or cold, even when Im using a solid cup!
StarCreator
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Picked up from several places, including Gamasutra, Slashdot...
The newest revision of the PlayStation Network Terms of Service include a clause that basically removes the right to participate in a class action lawsuit against Sony. The exact wording of the clause:
The full document can be read here. There is an option to waive participation in the anti-class action lawsuit clause but it requires the user to physically mail Sony a letter within 30 days of accepting the new terms.
Shockingly, this apparently has precedent in the form of a Supreme Court of the US decision.
The newest revision of the PlayStation Network Terms of Service include a clause that basically removes the right to participate in a class action lawsuit against Sony. The exact wording of the clause:
The full document can be read here. There is an option to waive participation in the anti-class action lawsuit clause but it requires the user to physically mail Sony a letter within 30 days of accepting the new terms.
Shockingly, this apparently has precedent in the form of a Supreme Court of the US decision.
The Lamonster
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After I was unable to login to Netflix today, I noticed the TOS had changed and I had to re-accept it before I could do anything on PSN.
sixteen-bit
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Yeah it was mentioned/discussed here
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=30977633
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=30977633
Dead Prince
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got that in an email yesterday about new tos.
The Albatross
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These sorts of agreements never hold up in court if the class has a legitimate gripe.
Para bailar La Bomba
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StarCreator said:
Excellent news. That should clear out about 30,000 frivolous lawsuits a year.
The Albatross said:
This. Was wondering about that. I thought it was understood just because companies come up with these disclaimers doesn't mean they'll hold up in court when the time comes. If something as bad as the PSN situation happens again I doubt any judge would dismiss a lawsuit simply because Sony points at this section of their ToS. Wouldn't they be laughed at and then told when to show up in court?
Neuromancer
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Good.The Albatross said:
StarCreator
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Oops, totally missed that when scanning existing threads to see if this had been mentioned. I don't think the danger of this clause can be understated though (but again, I'm no lawyer)._dementia said:
That's exactly what I thought, but then a friend linked me the Supreme Court decision I linked in the OP. Apparently common sense is absent 5/9 times up there these days.Effect said:
This sort of shit irks me to no end.
Arbitration courts, the dampening of constitutional rights to the civil courts etc. etc.
This is why it is so important to pay attention to who you vote for and who they intend on electing to the supreme court. In the last couple of years, thanks to an ultra conservative majority court, we have had an all out assault on consumer and individual rights in favor of corporate dominance and an upholding of laws that continue to exacerbate the problems.
Arbitration courts, the dampening of constitutional rights to the civil courts etc. etc.
This is why it is so important to pay attention to who you vote for and who they intend on electing to the supreme court. In the last couple of years, thanks to an ultra conservative majority court, we have had an all out assault on consumer and individual rights in favor of corporate dominance and an upholding of laws that continue to exacerbate the problems.
Castor Krieg
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JABEE said:
At least in Europe that ToS will be thrown out the window in every court.
klownboots
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To be fair almost all agreements have a "you must use arbitration for disputes", the fact Sony did not before is surprising to me.
That comes off a bit "Sony defense force"... I don't agree with how arbitration works and it clearly makes it easier for big companies to avoid lawsuits, just saying it seems to be the standard sadly.
That comes off a bit "Sony defense force"... I don't agree with how arbitration works and it clearly makes it easier for big companies to avoid lawsuits, just saying it seems to be the standard sadly.
Lionel Mandrake
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duckroll said:
Someone get mre in here.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Para bailar La Bomba said:
Corporations are people too.
I'm a bad thread titler.
Duckroll, I think it's this one: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=445003 I think.
Duckroll, I think it's this one: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=445003 I think.
OldJadedGamer
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IrrelevantNotch said:
That ruling made me super sad.
MesserWolf
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these EULAs where they make you forfeit to all your rights as consumer/customer are really starting to seriously annoy me.
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