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New Super Mario Bros. Outsells Super Mario Galaxy (bad thing...?)
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Regulus Tera
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HK-47 said:
I remember when people bitched he was in Brawl.
No other character deserved the spot more than him, imo.
ThatObviousUser
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legend166 said:
Should be almost 9 by now. Would have sold more if Nintendo had advertised it a bit more, too, but that's neither here nor there.
Regulus Tera
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How much has New Super Mario Bros. Wii sold worldwide, by the way? I think Japan + USA is around 7 million.
ThatObviousUser
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Regulus Tera said:
Around 10 mil I think.
To be honest I'm honestly not bitter about either game's performance. Truly, I think NSMBW deserves the sales it gets. I'm somewhat disappointed Galaxy hasn't been the same scale of mega-blockbuster, but it's still done fantastically well. The people saying "HA HA sales!" or "HA HA quality!" for one game or the other are just plain morons, imho.
ConradCervantes
Banned
Forkball said:
Like it or not, some people don't like the 3D Mario series. I hear kids in my store bitch all the time about how lame Galaxy was and how they'd rather play NSMBWii.
So, with that in mind...
Rocksteady33
Junior Member
HK-47 said:
I assumed you were referring to Japan.
Barkley's Justice
Member
NSMB on DS felt and looked like nintendo threw some young designers a bone and the best they could come up with was an uninspired copy of a classic gameplay trope.
the wii "copy" is therefor a copy of a copy which is like if ya mans copied a tape for you but it was a copy from a copy and not that hot.
the wii "copy" is therefor a copy of a copy which is like if ya mans copied a tape for you but it was a copy from a copy and not that hot.
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
what the fuck
BuddhaRockstar
Member
A great commercially successful game sells more than another great commercially successful game. What is the issue?
I wonder how many posters shouting "NSMBW is casual and just banks on nostalgia to sell!" are the same ones in Sonic threads going "Why won't Sega go back to the good ol' days when Sonic was great!".
I wonder how many posters shouting "NSMBW is casual and just banks on nostalgia to sell!" are the same ones in Sonic threads going "Why won't Sega go back to the good ol' days when Sonic was great!".
AniHawk said:
Well more of a retread.
I've played all 3 as well as Super Mario Galaxy.
New Super Mario Bros. for DS was all about revisiting the roots of the original Super Mario Bros..hence...the "New".
And NSMB Wii retreaded THAT except tacked-on a local multiplayer (not discrediting its fun) and called it a day.
I can agree with this.
Though I'm not complaining
Uncharted 1 and 2 are fun.Too bad they'll never hit the sales of NSMBWii.
Which is the tragedy, I suppose.
upandaway said:
We did??
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Sunshine
Super Mario Galaxy
...
I mean, you can toss Super Mario 64 DS and Luigi's Mansion in there if you want, but that seems a bit silly in the context of the thread...
If you're referring to the various sports, kart, etc. etc. etc. titles, then the point is still invalid given that 2D Mario titles continued to be pumped out on the Game Boy, GBC, GBA, and DS.
I don't think it's possible to come up with 10 "3D Mario games" coming out in a row without a single "2D Mario game" breaking up the list... heck, I'm somewhat surprised if you can make it past three...
boiled goose
good with gravy
Dogenzaka said:
NSMBWii feels completely different from NSMB and from SMB. You sure you played it???
If anything it feels more like SMB3 with some of the elements from world plus a whole lot of new things for a mario game. Despite the fact that it looks like the DS game a bit, it feels completely different...
I don't get all the people calling NSMBW a complete retread or copy of existing Mario games.
Did they not see all the brand new scenarios that have never appeared in another platforming game?
If so, what is their complaint? That Mario still jumps from one platform to the next?
Looking back I think it may have even introduced more new platforming mechanics than any previous 2D Mario game (perhaps a tied with Yoshi's Island).
Did they not see all the brand new scenarios that have never appeared in another platforming game?
If so, what is their complaint? That Mario still jumps from one platform to the next?
Looking back I think it may have even introduced more new platforming mechanics than any previous 2D Mario game (perhaps a tied with Yoshi's Island).
Even in single player, nSMBw is a better designed game than Galaxy, no surprise that the better game outsells the other :/
(seriously some stars in Galaxy were less than necessary and felt like padding, no such things in nSMBw).
And seriously as much as I love Galaxy (a lot), nSMB is a much more replayable game and is something that gets exponentially better the more you add players.
the only part that Galaxy does better is the music.
(seriously some stars in Galaxy were less than necessary and felt like padding, no such things in nSMBw).
And seriously as much as I love Galaxy (a lot), nSMB is a much more replayable game and is something that gets exponentially better the more you add players.
the only part that Galaxy does better is the music.
Personally I'm glad both sold really well, both are really some of the best in the Mario catalogue. While I do consider Galaxy to be the more innovative game in design, whenever the Reggie level editor for NSMB Wii comes out it's pretty much going to become the most replayable Mario game yet. One can only hope we see something like that in a sequel with online integration.
BowieZ said:
Huh, seriously let's hope it never get that way.
If there's one thing that would kill Mario that would be user created content, the VAST majority of user made hacks are beneath crap and nearly all of them are less fun to pay than the levels from the original game....
Less user created content, more professional content.
I mean I'd prefer they put in DLC were you download more levels (or an episodic game where you get a few levels each weeks) over stuffs were you're basically playing some hard as hell levels badly designed.
Mario is not a game to express yourself.
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
I don't think it's a bad thing, but I do hope Nintendo doesn't misinterpret what makes NSMB Wii a great (successful) game. They could probably afford to be less slavishly adherent to certain established themes and still be wildly successful. Their output this generation has me a bit concerned that they've gotten in the habit of mixing up oversimplification with accessibility, and as awesome as it is (and it is awesome) NSMB Wii is no exception. I don't buy into the "Nintendo has gotten lazy" argument, but I'd be lying if I said I'm not ready for games with more idiosyncrasies that push some new boundaries.
Says who? Mario is a mascot, not a game, and he acts as one of Nintendo's many bridges in getting people to play the types of games they might not ordinarily. Mario is different things to different people. And we can't rule out what Mario will be in the future.Mael said:
As LBP has shown, there are indeed skilled and/or imaginative everyday designers out there in the world and there's no reason the same "play-create-share" philosophy can't be adopted by Mario platforming.
But again, I'd prefer it if Mario went it its own unique direction, building on but not copying certain philosophies established as popular in recent years.
And certainly not copying LBP's floaty player physics.
-WindYoshi-
Banned
If you are somehow angry with NSMBwii outperforming Galaxy then I suggest you give Iwata Asks: NSMBwii (another?) read and just be happy with how the game-designing relationship between Toshihiko Nagako, Shigeru Miyamoto and Takashi Tezuka was salvaged for the creation of this game.
I hope that these three work together on a 3D mario someday.
I hope that these three work together on a 3D mario someday.
BowieZ said:
What made Mario a mascot?
Aside from Band Brothers there's NO exemple of user created content having commercial success. If we're talking about the 2d platformer with Mario it cannot work as user created content (without Nintendo making the source code open source.....yeah like that's happening).
And I'm not talking of a 2d platformer with a level editor but a full on user created content 2d platformer where you can design the traps and not just rearrange the templates given to you.
Heck most of the traps seen in nSMBw could NOT have been made with a hack of Mario World.
If user created content was such a great asset to games for the general public Lbp would have been a MASSIVE success, Wiimusic would have been an evergreen title and Wii would be sold out for most of 2009. Majesco would be doing Blast Works 2 right now.
You have not seen a Mario World hack in your life. You have no idea how much new ideas in NSMBW happened first in hacks (so much that I might think Nintendo looked at some of them as inspiration).Mael said:
That's possible because Mario hacks get into the code of the game to alter it. That's why computer-derived hacking will always be superior to in game editors.
magicalsoundshower
Member
While Galaxy is great and all, I still prefer the way 2D Marios play and feel so I'm pretty much down with this. Also, it might give Nintendo an incentive to abandon the Super Mario 64 formula for future 3D Mario games because it was quite clearly born from the N64's space/hardware limitations. I would really love a 3D Mario game with the same mechanics as the 2D games (becoming super by collecting mushrooms, every level is unique, etc.) and I think Nintendo might very well be able to pull it off.
upandaway said:
The movememnts of the blocks in the ghost houses? the movement of the sea in the beach lvls? all the motion controlled platforms? the cloud of death? the ice stalactites? the rotating switches that unveils stuffs? false doors? I can go on forever, show me something like that (seriously I'm interested
).Heck without going into nsmbw, you could do a level close to one found in Yoshi's Island using any game engine from a game released prior to YI.
The lvl design in platform games are slaves to the mechanics put into the game engine, since you cannot change the way the engine works with user creater content games you're basically making different layout of the same levels, hardly exciting :/
This is a sign that old skool hardcore 2D gaming is coming back.
3D platformers are just simply too simplified, too mainstream and too casual. They're no tricky parts, its almost impossible to fall. There's hardly any serious platforming in them, its all adventure and collecting items.
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3D platformers are just simply too simplified, too mainstream and too casual. They're no tricky parts, its almost impossible to fall. There's hardly any serious platforming in them, its all adventure and collecting items.
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WHY has the existence of New Super Mario Bros. Wii caused so much of an uproar between its unveiling and now? Why did games being fun suddenly take a backseat to graphics, music and general presentation so much that even a Mario game has to suffer the slings of arrows for it?
I love both games, and I'm glad we got a new 2D console Mario as well as a sequel to Galaxy. Galaxy juuuuuuuuuuust about edges it out for me over NSMBWii, but NSMBWii is still tremendously fun, challenging and meaty, but people are so afraid of the fact that it contains a rather basic graphic style (which never seemed to bother people when all the previous 2D Mario games, with the glorious exception of Yoshi's Island, sported them) and chirpy MIDI music that the mere suggestion that people ENJOY it more than its flashy, trumpeting cousin sends them into defensive spasms and frothing hatred for stuff not marching the advance of technology forward (see: IGN)
Despite their current reputation Nintendo, like all games companies, do still have a desire to push technology and create immersive worlds, ignoring the glaring truth of the Wii's hardware capabilities for a minute, and package them up in a well polished and nearly flawless manner. This is why they are still making full blown 3D adventure games out of Mario and Zelda even alongside their less ambitious counterparts. In fact it's great that they have kept the market open for several different interpretations of the same franchise to be successful which everyone can enjoy. People hoping for one or the other to be cancelled in favour of the other are being selfish and God willing I hope they never include people who run this damn industry too.
I love both games, and I'm glad we got a new 2D console Mario as well as a sequel to Galaxy. Galaxy juuuuuuuuuuust about edges it out for me over NSMBWii, but NSMBWii is still tremendously fun, challenging and meaty, but people are so afraid of the fact that it contains a rather basic graphic style (which never seemed to bother people when all the previous 2D Mario games, with the glorious exception of Yoshi's Island, sported them) and chirpy MIDI music that the mere suggestion that people ENJOY it more than its flashy, trumpeting cousin sends them into defensive spasms and frothing hatred for stuff not marching the advance of technology forward (see: IGN)
Despite their current reputation Nintendo, like all games companies, do still have a desire to push technology and create immersive worlds, ignoring the glaring truth of the Wii's hardware capabilities for a minute, and package them up in a well polished and nearly flawless manner. This is why they are still making full blown 3D adventure games out of Mario and Zelda even alongside their less ambitious counterparts. In fact it's great that they have kept the market open for several different interpretations of the same franchise to be successful which everyone can enjoy. People hoping for one or the other to be cancelled in favour of the other are being selfish and God willing I hope they never include people who run this damn industry too.
Chairman Yang
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Yeah, for some reason every non-gamer person I know who's played Galaxy is lukewarm towards it. I'm not sure why. A lot of them barely played the game.CozMick said:
I think the initial slowness for the game to get going is a big factor.
gamergirly
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Will be interesting to see how Super Mario Galaxy 2 does with such a huge increased installed base. It will have 15+ million more people over the original to sell to by the time it's released this holiday season
ThatObviousUser
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cvxfreak said:
That actually makes good business sense. Launch hype would sell the 3D Mario and 2D Mario would sell regardless.
Flachmatuch
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Mael said:
There are games like MSTS or MSFS that basically lived on user created content. Also look up RPG Maker, and MUDs in general of course, or even Forza 2/3 for how user created content can be done right. That you don't know about something doesn't really mean it doesn't exist.