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[ethomaz]

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[ResilientBanana]

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This is a Sony fans wet dream right there.

 

[Aceofspades]

This is a Sony fans wet dream right there.

And MS fans worst nightmare ...

 

[ResilientBanana]

And MS fans worst nightmare ...

There are literally 8 pages of search results when you search PS5

Edit: on pastebin.

 

[Fake]

There are literally 8 pages of search results when you search PS5

And? Its was xbox insiders trying to figure out the PS5 TF on the other forum after wired article?

 

[ethomaz]

There are literally 8 pages of search results when you search PS5

What that even means???

 

[ANIMAL1975]

This is a Sony fans wet dream right there.

 

[SonGoku]

they plan on destroying the Radeon VII’s performance.

rumors suggest big navi (aka radeon vii killer) is coming next year.

 

[Ar¢tos]

I find it difficult to believe that Sony invested so much on Navi, enough to get it exclusively for PS5. Why would they fund AMD R&D for a chip they can only use on a console? Even Navi mobile won't be suitable for TVs/phones compared to ARM offerings.

 

[Negotiator]

And MS fans worst nightmare ...

Not really, especially after the Sony/MS Azure partnership.

 

[ResilientBanana]

rumors suggest big navi (aka radeon vii killer) is coming next year.

That doesn't sound like enough time to get it inside of a console. They have to mass produce and test these things soon.

 

[Negotiator]

I find it difficult to believe that Sony invested so much on Navi, enough to get it exclusively for PS5. Why would they fund AMD R&D for a chip they can only use on a console? Even Navi mobile won't be suitable for TVs/phones compared to ARM offerings.

Sounds like Cell in a way, doesn't it?

Maybe Navi secret sauce (hardware RT?) is a (timed) exclusive.

Btw, Maxwell is scalable all the way down to mobile SoCs (Tegra X1), so maybe Navi has similar efficiency ("Maxwell sauce").

 

[ethomaz]

That doesn't sound like enough time to get it inside of a console.

Console can have the Navi core with any CU count they wants.

There is no relation between AMD Navi consumer cards and AMD Semi-custom business except the clients can use any available GPU part from AMD.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Console can have the Navi core with any CU count they wants.

There is no relation between AMD Navi consumer cards and AMD Semi-custom business except the clients can use any available GPU part from AMD.

You are right to a point. There is a certain amount of power / heat / MSRP compensation that needs to be considered on AMD's customers part. That has been echoing here and there throughout the thread.

 

[ethomaz]

Copy from ERA.

/v/ - Testing of Next Gen PlayStation and Xbox Dev Kits - Video Games - 4chan

Testing of Next Gen PlayStation and Xbox Dev Kits - "/v/ - Video Games" is 4chan's imageboard dedicated to the discussion of PC and console video games.

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I work in the Tools group at a developer large enough to now have the early next gen PS and XBX dev kits.

- The Sony inserts made a big deal about their high-speed storage, and they included a demo of Spider-Man that I assume is the same one that Cerny referenced. We have our own game data asset “loading/streaming” stress test, and we ran this for both dev kits. The PS showed a major performance advantage of approximately 30% faster loading until the highest resolution textures were enabled, which brought the performance down much closer to what the XBX showed. While they both have SSDs, it does seem that the PS may have some special magic or “sauce” to gain some additional advantage here.

- Sony also mentioned next gen audio in their inserts and included some sample demos. Whatever they are doing here does sound and almost “feel” like next gen Sonrisa The audio demo included a toggle to enable/disable RT.

- The Xbox inserts mentioned an architectural focus (combination of hardware/software) for RT, AI and frame rate. The only sample demo application provided appears to be an updated version of that ‘Insects’ demo that they released for the Xbox One X. I have to admit that this little demo is pretty crazy what the lighting and shadows look like in this.

- We ran our internal demo stress test application (think ridiculous number of graphic and physics effects being applied) against both dev kits, attempting to target 60 fps. Both seemed to be the same locked 60 performance at 1080p and 1440p. XBX showed a performance difference at 4K on our test at least. It was able to maintain a nearly locked 60 with only an occasional dip, with the PS in the low 50s.

- We also have a DirectX 12 specific performance test that we run and profile using the Microsoft PIX. The XBX was able to render at 4K resolution with nearly locked 60 fps for a demo that we have run with wildly inconsistent results using even the more powerful current desktop graphic cards.

 

[SonGoku]

I find it difficult to believe that Sony invested so much on Navi, enough to get it exclusively for PS5. Why would they fund AMD R&D for a chip they can only use on a console? Even Navi mobile won't be suitable for TVs/phones compared to ARM offerings.

I think Sony funded R&D for their own customization/secret sauce
Another possibility is that in exchange for Sony investment they get a discount on the APU

 

[Ar¢tos]

Sounds like Cell in a way, doesn't it?

Maybe Navi is a (timed) exclusive.

Btw, Maxwell is scalable all the way down to mobile SoCs (Tegra X1), so maybe Navi has similar efficiency ("Maxwell sauce").

They should be ditching their (overpriced) TV and phone business, not trying to make excuses to keep those money pits alive.

 

[SonGoku]

That doesn't sound like enough time to get it inside of a console. They have to mass produce and test these things soon.

How so? Consoles are not ruled by AMDs discrete card release date
PS4Pro launched same year as the RX 470 with Vega features
XboneX launched the same year as the RX 580

edit: And its not like they are gonna put an off the shelf GPU die in their APU.

 

[Negotiator]

Consoles APUs will be taped out by the end of this year and manufacturing will start in mid-2020, as usual.

We still don't know if they're gonna be monolithic chips or something else...

 

[SonGoku]

will be taped out by the end of this year and manufacturing will start in mid-2020

What's the difference?

 

[demigod]

Copy from ERA.

/v/ - Testing of Next Gen PlayStation and Xbox Dev Kits - Video Games - 4chan

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Sounds to me like someone has been reading too much era and made that post. No specs and every info they mentioned is out there aside from the tests. I'm calling fake.

 

[MilkyJoe]

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next generation console gpu specs
me not with Microsoft or Sony but with AMD
to my knowledge
xbox 1 1536 stream processors (active)
xbox 2 around 3072 stream processors (active)
playstation: 2560 stream processors (active)
gpu clock speeds probably below 1.6 ghz

 

[ethomaz]

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That is pretty low if true

 

[SonGoku]

Sounds to me like someone has been reading too much era and made that post. No specs and every info they mentioned is out there aside from the tests. I'm calling fake.

Thats 100% of anonymoose leaks so far lol

 

[ResilientBanana]

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It's a meme at this point.

 

[Negotiator]

What's the difference?

I was responding to this:

"That doesn't sound like enough time to get it inside of a console. They have to mass produce and test these things soon"

There's still PLENTY of time. We're currently in mid-2019.

 

[demigod]

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Just halve the xbox 2's stream processors and you get xbox 1, lol. Ok who's GAF account is this?

 

[SonGoku]

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Spoiler

Lockart: 512 stream processors (active)
Snek: 3840 stream processors (active)
PS5: 3840 stream processors (active)

GPU clock speeds probably above 1.8Ghz

 

[Lacix]

That is pretty low if true

That can't be true 2560 stream processor is the same as in the XBOX ONE X.

I believe in the 12.9 TFlops leak. (going to 7nm gives more space for stream processors)

XBOX ONE X

GPGPU (AMD) = (40 CU * 64 cores * 2 flops) * 1172 MHz = 6000,64 GFlops

PS5	GPGPU (AMD) = (56 CU * 64 cores * 2 flops) * 1800 MHz = 12904,2 GFlops

1.8 GHz maybe a little too much. (if the GPU is 1.6 GHz the number goes down to 11,5 TFlops)

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Sony probably worked closely with AMD to ensure direct hardware compatibility with PS4 for back compatibility. Plus a few extra tweaks here and there. Not some silly magic sauce

 

[ResilientBanana]

That can't be true 2560 stream processor is the same as in the XBOX ONE X.

I believe in the 12.9 TFlops leak. (going to 7nm gives more space for stream processors)

XBOX ONE X

GPGPU (AMD) = (40 CU * 64 cores * 2 flops) * 1172 MHz = 6000,64 GFlops

PS5	GPGPU (AMD) = (56 CU * 64 cores * 2 flops) * 1800 MHz = 12904,2 GFlops

1.8 GHz maybe a little too much. (if the GPU is 1.6 GHz the number goes down to 11,5 TFlops)

Isn't 1.8Ghz the maximum? If so I would think 1.4-1.6

 

[SonGoku]

I was responding to this:

"That doesn't sound like enough time to get it inside of a console. They have to mass produce and test these things soon"

There's still PLENTY of time. We're currently in mid-2019.

I agree but can you explain the difference, im curious lol

 

[Negotiator]

That can't be true 2560 stream processor is the same as in the XBOX ONE X.

I believe in the 12.9 TFlops leak. (going to 7nm gives more space for stream processors)

XBOX ONE X

GPGPU (AMD) = (40 CU * 64 cores * 2 flops) * 1172 MHz = 6000,64 GFlops

PS5	GPGPU (AMD) = (56 CU * 64 cores * 2 flops) * 1800 MHz = 12904,2 GFlops

1.8 GHz maybe a little too much. (if the GPU is 1.6 GHz the number goes down to 11,5 TFlops)

They'll definitely need vapor chamber cooling to reach that sweet, almost ~13TF target.

Sony will play the Teraflop numbers to their favor, just like they always do when a new gen starts (PS3, PS4).

 

[SonGoku]

They'll definitely need vapor chamber cooling to reach that sweet, almost ~13TF target.

Sony will play the Teraflop numbers to their favor, just like they always do when a new gen starts (PS3, PS4).

Vapor chamber is ez if they target $500 or take small loss.

 

[Negotiator]

I agree but can you explain the difference, im curious lol

The difference between tape out and actual production on TSMC for example?

Tape out basically means that the chip design has been finalized in the laboratory:

https://techinsights.com/sites/default/files/2019-03/ps4-diemark.jpg

Sony PlayStation 4 Teardown | TechInsights

Posted: November 15, 2013

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Manufacturing happens when they send the design to the chip foundry to be printed on wafers. This doesn't happen immediately, because they need to test it first and find out any potential hardware bugs.

 

[MilkyJoe]

You guys

 

[Ovech-King]

I've put a spec analysis in the comments of these rumored devkit parts infos :

Devkit parts

Those seems reasonable for 500$ I think

 

[ANIMAL1975]

They'll definitely need vapor chamber cooling to reach that sweet, almost ~13TF target.

Sony will play the Teraflop numbers to their favor, just like they always do when a new gen starts (PS3, PS4).

Vapor chamber is ez if they target $500 or take small loss.

What about that Sony cooling patent we saw a few days ago? Any of you can guesstimate if it could do the job?

Ovech-King that's actually my brain in the reactions to your post,... it literally popped out

 

[xool]

What about that Sony cooling patent we saw a few days ago? Any of you can guesstimate if it could do the job?

99.99% no. tbh patent doesn't make a ton of practical sense - why not just put the chip on the other side of the circuit board [edit unless you are making an ultraslim device - like phone] (sometimes things get patented because they can, not because they are useful)

 

[Ovech-King]

Ovech-King that's actually my brain in the reactions to your post,... it literally popped out

In a positive awesome specs way I hope !?

 

[That Damn Kid]

In Major Blow To Sony’s Upcoming PlayStation 5, Microsoft Announces PlayStation 6

Sony made waves last month when chief architect Mike Cerny gave a first look at the specs for the next-gen successor to the PlayStation 4, making them the first to throw their hat in the ring for the next round of console wars. But all that excitement just fell by the wayside because today, in a...

ogn.theonion.com

 

[ANIMAL1975]

99.99% no. tbh patent doesn't make a ton of practical sense - why not just put the chip on the other side of the circuit board (sometimes things get patented because they can, not because they are useful)

Thanks, i was hoping that it would be some groundbreaking new stuff that could do the trick, but not tech savvy enough to interpret that by all means lol

 

[Ar¢tos]

I've put a spec analysis in the comments of these rumored devkit parts infos :

Devkit parts

Those seems reasonable for 500$ I think

 

[ResilientBanana]

99.99% no. tbh patent doesn't make a ton of practical sense - why not just put the chip on the other side of the circuit board [edit unless you are making an ultraslim device - like phone] (sometimes things get patented because they can, not because they are useful)

Save space for the disc drive?

 

[Negotiator]

In Major Blow To Sony’s Upcoming PlayStation 5, Microsoft Announces PlayStation 6

Sony made waves last month when chief architect Mike Cerny gave a first look at the specs for the next-gen successor to the PlayStation 4, making them the first to throw their hat in the ring for the next round of console wars. But all that excitement just fell by the wayside because today, in a...

ogn.theonion.com

MS will announce the PS6 (or PS7?), it will be a cloud-only console hosted in Azure datacenters. No kidding.

Remember their partnership...

 

[JohnnyFootball]

So if the Pastebin is to be believed and Sony is using Navi, while MS is using Vega 2, that's not exactly bad news for MS. Vega 2 is an incredibly powerful GPU and for all we know is better than Navi.

 

[demigod]

What about that Sony cooling patent we saw a few days ago? Any of you can guesstimate if it could do the job?

Ovech-King that's actually my brain in the reactions to your post,... it literally popped out

Looking over that patent, I wonder if they're going to do heatsink -> apu -> heatsink fan.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

In a positive awesome specs way I hope !?

Naaah, in a "it got really in pain and bloating with all the numbers and words way" , that eventually popped out

 

[Negotiator]

So if the Pastebin is to be believed and Sony is using Navi, while MS is using Vega 2, that's not exactly bad news for MS. Vega 2 is an incredibly powerful GPU and for all we know is better than Navi.

"Better" in terms of what? Rasterization? Efficiency? Software-based vs hardware-based RT?

Vega is a compute monster, but it's very power hungry as well. Just calling spade a spade.

Let's say that Sony hits 13TF and MS miraculously reaches 15TF. How many watts do you think they would need for that?

Vega will have less efficiency than Navi, just like with every old vs new GCN microarchitecture comparison.

 

[xool]

I've put a spec analysis in the comments of these rumored devkit parts infos :

Devkit parts

Those seems reasonable for 500$ I think

Great - if it's fake they did a good job.

What it said​	Summary​	Notes​
monolithic die ~22.4mm by ~14.1mm	die size 316mm2	close to people's expectations
16 Samsung K4ZAF325BM-HC18	32 GB GDDR6 @ 18Gb/s	1152 GB/s bandwidth WOW! 576 GB/s because clamshell mode
memory vrm seems like overkill		devkit overengineered - nothing to see here
3 Samsung K4AAG085WB-MCRC, , 2 of those close to the NAND acting as DRAM cache	3 x 2GB DDR4	So 2GB DDR4 for OS, and 4GB as SSD cache - this must be Sony's secret sauce for load times
4 NAND packages soldered to the PCB which are TH58LJT2T24BAEG from Toshiba	It's NVMe SSD 4TB 2TB total	Obviously more than we'll get in baseline console [got the NAND sizes wrong first time - they're 512GB each, not 1TB]
PS5016-E16 from Phison	PCIe Gen 4.0 controller	makes stuff work . nothing to see here

Sounds good.

Suprised about the monolithic die - I was expecting chiplets on an interposer - maybe it still is but they didn't take the lid off.

Can someone check I got the bandwidth calc. right