ethomaz
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I got burned because Eurogamer article that I believedI told you
But you and others showed Cerny saying the opposite.
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But you and others showed Cerny saying the opposite.
Imtjnotu
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All good man.I got burned because Eurogamer article that I believed
But you and others showed Cerny saying th lê opposite.
Neo Blaster
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That's cold storage, you'll do that with external USB drives unless it's a BC game. I think just sticking a slower than required M.2 drive would be a waste of the internal bay.EDIT: Incidentally, watching the presentation I got the impression that slower speed drives may be available to be put in but you'd have to transfer the game over to the main drive to play it. I might be wrong though, it's not unheard of.
Handy Fake
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Oh why aye. But it can be cost effective if you're going for lots of games but don't have enough for a premium SSD.
Neo Blaster
Member
Yes, if you want to play a lot of games at the same time. In my case, I'll have to make do with an external drive till I save enough for a PS5 certified SSD.
Great Hair
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Dying Light 2 PS5 Ray-Tracing Effects Teased By Techland
The PS5 version of the upcoming open-world zombie title Dying Light 2 will support ray-tracing, designer Techland has actually revealed. Dying Light 2 PS5
gamingideology.com
MasterCornholio
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There's a question that o have been asking that nobody seems to be able to answer.
I read that due to instant seek times data doesn't have to be duplicated on the SSD. We know that on traditional HDD drives the data is duplicated many times to aid with seek times.
My question is how much can they reduce the install by removing the duplicated data?
With this data removed is Sonys SSD size big enough for most people?
I read that due to instant seek times data doesn't have to be duplicated on the SSD. We know that on traditional HDD drives the data is duplicated many times to aid with seek times.
My question is how much can they reduce the install by removing the duplicated data?
With this data removed is Sonys SSD size big enough for most people?
ethomaz
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That is from OPM May so really new interview.Dying Light 2 PS5 Ray-Tracing Effects Teased By Techland
The PS5 version of the upcoming open-world zombie title Dying Light 2 will support ray-tracing, designer Techland has actually revealed. Dying Light 2 PS5
Sadly it won’t come this year.
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Kusarigama
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I'm not sure if I am getting the numbers right here but as far as i can recall from Spider-Man gdc talk about 10gb of data on the spider-man disc is dublicates. So from reduction in dublicates and modular game installation and deletion for games having single player and multiplayer components I think that average consumer should be okay with a 825gb ssd even considering that PS5 system files take up say about 125gb(my own guess).
I have the stock 500gb hdd in my PS4 and I have about 15games from 60gb to 100mb sizes
GermanZepp
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Is not about blocking people who thinks different. Is ignoring stupidity, trolls edit: pedantic and condescending ones and trash talk. I have almost 60 users on ignore, yesterday I took a view of the banned thread and many of them were there confirming that I ignored the ones that mattered.Offtopic: Im surprised and disappointed how many people are using ignore functions so easily. In my opinion the internet is already creating way to many information bubbles through algorithms and so on, blocking people that don't share your opinion on a forum enforces that even more. No wonder we have so many flat earther, anti-vac and chemtrail believers out there. If you always just feed yourself with likeminded folk you are creating you own bubble and might end up believing something thats entirely made up. ( Like so many Fanbois on either side and in many different areas/ways )
Just my 2 cent on that specific topic.
Well then I'm probably too much of a noob on that topic.
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SonGoku
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Exclusive: A Deeper Look at the PlayStation 5
Now that the name is official, we've got more details about Sony's next-gen console—from the haptics-packed controller to UI improvements.
Bonsaibäumchen
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On the topic of overheating PS5:
Now lets see what kind of shit those Sony haters are going to adress next.
Now lets see what kind of shit those Sony haters are going to adress next.
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SonGoku
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Was thinking the same, the downside to this approach would be impacted flexibility delegating the 3.5GB as a low priority cache of sorts and performance hit whenever its accessed
ShadowWolf712
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Ah, yes. "Out of context".The end of an era?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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It'd depend on how they schedule the swaps. If they have data sitting in the fast-bandwidth pool that hasn't been touched for a good number of cycles and isn't expected to need that fast bandwidth the next (N) times it's accessed, they can just shift it to the slower-bandwidth pool on lighter system loads. That's where I expect the ML and AI features of the hardware to come into play to help out with that, can assist in determining algorithms and optimal times to shift around that data.
Not something many early year games will need to do, but I can see more demanding titles down the gen playing around with that type of stuff as need be. Plus thanks to the extra GPU hardware onboard, they could maybe do some forward-thinking augmentative data calculation for future data to be swapped around in the memory (maybe through some GPGPU programming?).
Dunno; there's some quirks that'd need to be handled for sure, but a lot of interesting possibilities in mitigating potential bumps in the road regards it as well. The OS itself might handle some of this but I expect more crafty devs to take it into their own hands for optimizations when the time comes.
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MasterCornholio
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The install size for that game is 42.6 GB. I thought the duplicate file size would be more. Still 10GBs isn't bad at all.
Neo Blaster
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They'll say developers cannot optimize that because it's automatically set by the system, so PS5 has an obvious disadvantage.Let see how Xbox fanboys spin it...
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pasterpl
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More about SmartShift
www.techarp.com
AMD SmartShift Explained : Smart Power Distribution FTW! | Tech ARP
AMD just announced the SmartShift technology in the Ryzen 4000 Mobile processors. What is AMD SmartShift, and how does it work? Let's find out!
www.techarp.com
M-V2
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Mate, you can't argue with stupidity.
Disco_
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News to me and really doesn't make sense since destiny was deigned with ps3 and 360 as main consoles and adapted for ps4 and xbone. What's the point of blaming xbone when old gen was still in play?
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Three Jackdaws
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I'm hoping large open world games will take advantage of the PS5. I have been playing The WItcher 3 and as amazing as the game is you can definitely see some of the flaws it had, the super long loading times, slow "fast" travel and the game would pause randomly during long cutscenes. All these were due to limitations of the hard disk drive. After witnessing this you can really understand where Cerny was coming from when he was talking about how the PS5 SSD will benefit the developers and revolutionise game design. The game even features many "long hallways" and other contingencies which allow the game to stream more data. I imagine the developers of The Witcher 3 struggled at times when designing the game, the large maps, the extensive cutscenes and many others around a slow speed HDD. I'm trying to imagine a next-gen Witcher game which will be able to take advantage of next-gen especially the SSD and wont be held back by the hardware.
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ShadowWolf712
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Certainly smells like something Greenberg would do.
Is that from a ResetEra discord?
Well, you guys shouldn't have pissed off DF guys when they praised Gears 5. If my memory serves correct, it was John Linneman, who praised Sony SSD, told that he "regretted" to make the video because fanboys were chasing them after that.
ZywyPL
Banned
Let see how Xbox fanboys spin it...
Nothing to spin really, because even at its max clocks both the CPU and GPU are less capable than XBX, it's the PS fanboys that are yet to accept the reality. And within half a year or so from now Nvidia will destroy both with 30xx RTX cards, before the consoles even arrive, that's a fact both fanboy camps will have to swallow eventually.
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CameFromNearFuture
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Well, well, well...
So you are acting like there isnt a narrative being pushed here that the PS5 is more like a 9.2tf and not actually 10.2?
Thats the whole reason why Sony fans are insisting on this subject. Its more due to some Xbox fanboys behaviour than anything else.
At this point, I can guarantee to You that most of Sony fans can careless about Series X theorical advantage. They know that this doesnt automatically make Ps5 crap as It also has its advantages and they have right to be excited about then (like the SSD), but for some weird reason some Xbox fans act like PS fans have no reason and right to excited for the ps5.
Sony fans know what they Will get on ps5 and I am sure they Will be Very pleased about It.
TLZ
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Console fans don't have to swallow anything since they don't care about PC. All this debate is among consoles only.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Really? Most Sony fans don't care if SeX is more powerful?
And why is that?
Because if you time warped to 2013 when system specs were hacked/leaked showing PS4 more powerful, which lead to 1080p games vs Xbox One 720p - 1080p games, it sure seemed like the average PS4 gamer cared a lot.
As for PS5's tf max, nobody even knows how much PS5 can sustain 10.3tf under tough conditions. And nobody even knows how long the gpu's 223 ghz can sustain that. Cerny answered with a vague "most of time" answer.
Even on Sony's own blog site, it says "up to" for both cpu and gpu. And if either of these are not maxed out, it's not going to be 10.3tf.
Unveiling New Details of PlayStation 5: Hardware Technical Specs [UPDATED]
Watch live for a deep dive into PS5's system architecture and how it will shape the future of games.
blog.us.playstation.com
CPU: Variable frequency, up to 3.5 GHz
GPU: Variable frequency, up to 2.23 GHz (10.3 TFLOPS)
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ShadowWolf712
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There's also this tidbit where the studio themselves say they're staying small at first.
Xbox Game Studios 'The Initiative' talks 'staying small, staying agile'
Microsoft is setting expectations for its The Initiative studio, "staying small and staying agile" for its early days.
www.windowscentral.com
But I'm sure this is out of context somehow.
ShadowWolf712
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In my experience, most PS gamers didn't care TOO much about the power until the PRICE reveal. Once it became clear that the PS4 was stronger, even if only a bit, yet cost $100 LESS than the Xbox One, then I saw an uptick in people caring and bragging on it.
I mean I'm sure some of the more hardcore fanatics did, but the average gamer? Nope.
(And shoot, even with the uptick, most still didn't care. What really got people were the third-party deals and first-party offerings.)
StreetsofBeige
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MS released standalone Xbox Ones for the same price as PS4 7-8 months later. There's only so many gamers buying system in the first 8 months. 1080p gaming was the key factor.
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ethomaz
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Not exactly era discord... there is a lot of Xbox GAF there too... it is a Xbox discord.
You just need to spread FUD about PlayStation in general and you are into.
SleepDoctor
Banned
There's also this tidbit where the studio themselves say they're staying small at first.
Xbox Game Studios 'The Initiative' talks 'staying small, staying agile'
Microsoft is setting expectations for its The Initiative studio, "staying small and staying agile" for its early days.
But I'm sure this is out of context somehow.
"staying small, and staying agile, will actually be our strength." Followed by words from Gallagher, the studio lead states "the bar is high" and "the challenge for us is making sure we deliver on those expectations."
Please show me where it states anything about AA quality. Of course you have to spin stuff to fit your narrative lol
ShadowWolf712
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...there's a second NVMe slot...
CameFromNearFuture
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Really? Most Sony fans don't care if SeX is more powerful?
And why is that?
Because if you time warped to 2013 when system specs were hacked/leaked showing PS4 more powerful, which lead to 1080p games vs Xbox One 720p - 1080p games, it sure seemed like the average PS4 gamer cared a lot.
As for PS5's tf max, nobody even knows how much PS5 can sustain 10.3tf under tough conditions. And nobody even knows how long the gpu's 223 ghz can sustain that. Cerny answered with a vague "most of time" answer.
Even on Sony's own blog site, it says "up to" for both cpu and gpu. And if either of these are not maxed out, it's not going to be 10.3tf.
Unveiling New Details of PlayStation 5: Hardware Technical Specs [UPDATED]
Watch live for a deep dive into PS5's system architecture and how it will shape the future of games.
CPU: Variable frequency, up to 3.5 GHz
GPU: Variable frequency, up to 2.23 GHz (10.3 TFLOPS)
Having a Power advantage is always a Win.
The difference is that that wasnt made the Center of all discussion. There were too many things to be said about Xbox one in the past.
And I really see a different behaviour here. Just look at How some Xbox patrols Unite each other to promote many bad false rumours about PS5. That is something New for me tbh.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Now you know what it feels like when unclear communication can lead to hyperbole or pure trolling for months before the system releases.
Just like 2013 when rumours were MS was going kill used games, put your system on internet lockdown, only cared about TV. Whether or not some or all of the policies were true, MS shot them down that summer and everything was set back to what is traditionally done in gaming. So when it launched, the criticized policies were debunked 6 months earlier and nowhere to be found, yet you still got gamers and the media pressuring them for answers later. Even now in 2020 you can still find people saying tv tv tv.
So what you're going to get this time around is Cerny having a bulleyes on his head answering questions for perhaps years.
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ShadowWolf712
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"It indicates The Initiative is starting small for its early projects, leveraging a tight team focused on innovation – not scale. "
From Windows Central. A VERY pro-Xbox site.
I suppose you think Windows Central espouses "my" narrative. Whatever you've decided that is. But all I'm doing is showing the source of this belief.
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ethomaz
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MS themselves announced the these “shots” lol
It was real.
Nothing were debunked just MS was forced to do a 180.
Xbox fans are really desperate all these years?
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SleepDoctor
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No mention of AA. And that's only one studio but i get it, you guys need to latch on to anything you can besides an ssd or audio chip.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Maybe. There were tons of rumours floating around at the time.
Just like Sony announced this. Yo-yo-ing cpu/gpu "up to" speeds. Something people are trying to get concrete info about, which is why sites are confused.
Unveiling New Details of PlayStation 5: Hardware Technical Specs [UPDATED]
Watch live for a deep dive into PS5's system architecture and how it will shape the future of games.
blog.us.playstation.com
CPU: Variable frequency, up to 3.5 GHz
GPU: Variable frequency, up to 2.23 GHz (10.3 TFLOPS)
ShadowWolf712
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"You guys"?
It's funny, you frequently assert you have no dog in the console fight, yet you frequently get defensive of Xbox. You don't even know what I'm about or what my "agenda" is, yet you're lashing out at me.
All I did was link an interpretation of that quote from an Xbox site to try to explain why people are saying this. Why are you getting so defensive?
ShadowWolf712
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If that was the key factor, why would people not be buying the One X in droves?
It's almost as if the presence of games appearing next to the PS Brand was the REAL key factor. And it was. The "power" narrative really only matters in forums like this, unless there's a VERY compelling power-to-price factor.
SleepDoctor
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Post history shows enough to know. I have no dog cuz I'll have both but after all the trolling and shitposting you guys did, you're eating a lot of crow now.
Most likely an alt of a previously banned member by looking at your activity actually.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Not at all. We're still all here.
And with systems not coming out for another 6 months minimum, all everyone can do it sit, wait and have fun on forums with speculation.
We aren't the ones posting a thread 30 hours after Cerny's show (that thread someone posted about "state of the union") which had someone crying people were grilling PS5 for a whopping 30 hours.
ShadowWolf712
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My post history?
Where I've said that there's no "clear" advantage to either console and both are going to perform better than the other camp insists? Or where I didn't freak out over a Tflop count? Or perhaps where I was clearly being facetious?
And now I'm an alt, amusing. That mask is coming off fast, eh?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Because the generation was already half over, and mid gen refreshes systems for most people aren't worth it. The majority of sales still come from base systems for both Xbox and PS.
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SleepDoctor
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Mask? Yours maybe. No need to entertain another alt account lol. Have a nice day bud.
CameFromNearFuture
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Was that a really false rumours?
MS were really imposing some weird stuff. Even the big gaming media were after them and making some pressure.
Theres even a famous Interview with Geff and the Guy from MS with his stupid response "buy a 360 instead".
Sony exploited greatly with the vídeo below. No simple rumour at all. Dont twist reality, my friend
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ShadowWolf712
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You don't play specs, son. No one does. You play games.
PS was perceived to have the games. It was THE place to play them all in the public eye. Even the PRO was selling at a rate of 1 to every 4 base PS4s, according to Sony, and it wasn't the power enticing most, but the perception of games.
ShadowWolf712
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Now I really wanna know who I'm an alt of, this is kinda fun.
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