For an APU GDDR6 is the best option for GPU perfomance, since in most gaming scenarios it will be GPU botlenecked anyways
The whole thing is bugged, i woulnt look to much into it, waste of time
Gonzolo is an embedded part so if it exist it must be semi custom. My bet is on a subor like device, though i also doubt its existance
lol "journalists" have child like thought process "Gonzolo is already taken by ps5 so flute must be teh Scarlet"
I dont get it lolGonzalo is like...
wccftech.com
That article said that Xbox is the Flute codename and PS5 is Gonzalo.
Except you are rounding up to 32GB/s which would be maximum with HBM2, while benchmark shows higher bandwidth that indicates downclocked 18Gbps chips (since 16Gbps are 32GB/s max).[even more on Flute memory]
At 2Gb/s/pin in HBM2, and a 128bit data width that could be the observed 32GB/s per core/channel ..
(2Gb/s/pin x 128pins / 8 bits/byte = 32 GB/s)
Could be HBM2
Remember stuff like this :
AMD Fenghuang 15FF Graphics Chip Equipped APU Shows Up on 3DMark - Faster Than RX Vega M GH, 2 GB HBM2 Clocked at 1200 MHz
AMD is working on a lot of internal projects that have yet to see the light of day, one such project is the Fenghuang 15FF graphics chip for accelerated processing units.
Maybe they're still working on HBM2 APU samples just in case HBM2 becomes affordable mainstream
What gaming laptop has unified gddr6 memory pool? Do you have any examples? You basically just put fingers in your ears and scream "NaNaNaNa I can't hear you!" They are building custom SoC for gaming laptops there? How else you will get this kind of configuration into laptop?
Could be a bug, he also explained theres some tomfoolery with L2 L3 caches + memory chips adding up to the score
A gaming APU, just toying with options, just because it was never done before doesnt mean it never will
CrustyBritches
are there any AMD APUs with GDDR5 unified pool?
I see, so flute = Gonzalo most likely
I see that now, after some research i realized AMD PC APUs are just CPUs with iGPUs like intel CPUs, not complete boards
There have been laptops with top of the line GPUs but now that i understand how AMD sells commercial APUs it doesnt make sense indeed since they dont sell boards
I think both are the same, and too shitty to be on a next gen console
Scarlett shown had 320bit bus and therefore 10 14Gbps chips on motherboard. Flute clearly has 256bit bus and 18Gbps chips based on leaked benchmark.
16Gbps*
I agree, flute aka gonzalo its too under powered for next gen consoles
Nope, its 18Gbps. Since its been removed we cannot see it, but its more then 16Gbps is capable of. Then again, Anandtech OCed 16Gbps chips in yesterdays 2080S review so it could be that as well. Although my guess is that its certainly 18Gbps which Samsung promised in January.
I think odd thing in setup was that it also had 12Gbps chips, alongside 14Gbps, which would indicate mix RAM speeds. Odd, but technically completely feasable. It just leaves people with guessing, if they are not all 2GB chips, how much will final consol have? Can have 16GB or 18GB. But also they can go witu 10 14Gbps 2GB chips and get 20GB, so it doesnt tell us exact number, but we know its 320bit bus.
Flute has higher IPC then 1700x even with considerably higher latency.
Its scores where on par with 1700x at same clocks
For a 360-400 mm2 die sure, for a 320mm2 die makes no sense.
Current gen games designed around Jaguar cores, you have a very shortsighted vision towards game development, we are also talking about an underclocked 3700x.
Its just speculation based on games without pro patches, Pro boost mode type bc makes more sense
No it doesnt, check the user bench scores.
It actually makes total sense on smaller die. You want to maximize yields, costs and performances. How to do it? Have as much performance in smallest possible die. To achieve this, cut the fat from CPU that already demolishes every single game on the market. Not only demolishes, you can get 150fps on every single current gen game on 3700x.
No, you have very rossy vision towards actual console design philosophy. Jaguar cores where COMPLETELY underpowered in 2013. In fact, Jaguar cores where likely slower inside console then Cell was and that was designed 10 years before.
SonGoku
Benches posted here and ree showed it score on par with 1700x. That's all we have to go atm
The difference 20mm2 will make on a 320mm2 die yields its minimal, and as the process matures it will be null
lol not even close, maybe on 60 ps console games like doom but in more cpu intensive games i doubt it
Current gen games are designed around those jaguar cores thats why you get 150fps on some games
Not a general purpose task, they where much faster
At 4.4GHz... and you said it yourself current gen games designed around weak jaguar limitations
So far haven't seen that in their messaging, the opposite actually
BFV already runs at 60fps on PS4 so no surprise a game designed to run at 60fps on jaguar cores runs at 100fps+ on 3700x at 4.4GHZ
So you expect next gen to run current gen games? do you not realize this is a flawed comparison
Current gen games...
This point is solid, never disputed it
60 total on DUV
Have you played games like hitman 1/2, Watch Dogs 2, Assassins Creed Odyssey? With maxed out details even fast i7 and Ryzen will dip below 60fps in some demanding locations, not to mention 150fps LOL
. And these are all games build with current gen console games.
at 720p?
114fps for ACOHave you played games like ast two hitman 1/2, Watch Dogs 2, Assassins Creed Odyssey? With maxed out details even fast i7 and Ryzen cant provide 60fps in some demanding locations, not to mention 150fps LOL
More demanding current gen games averaging ~120 fps at 4.4Ghz i wonder how much that would drop at 3.2GHz 100-80 FPS?
You know im all for adding more CUs but it makes zero sense to shave 24mm2 from an already small 320mm2 die
THIS
we already had laptops with 1080 in the past and now 2080.
or it could be a new APU for gaming laptops.Exactly. APUs are for cheap and easy laptops. More capable laptops have separate CPU and GPU. They have many tiers and configs where you would see DDR4 as well. Not only that, it's weird to even see a powerful APU like this on desktop. I have Ryzen 2400g and it's like a Xbox One at best.
It could be another SuborZ+ type console, or Alienware Steam Machine, etc. PS5 still seems most likely to me.
yep could be.
lol me either, i tryed so hard.
it could be a prop, why would they give that up.
they could go with RX5800 variant. (best case scenario)
I realized amd doesn't sell APU boards just CPUs with iGPUs like intel does
That's another discussion alltogether as parity there had more to do with market positioning than just hw output(forced parity was a thing before XB1, and yes I mean PS3 titles being held back).
I agree, but that's why I said context matters. Compute power is a useful short-hand in largely similar architectures, but it's still just a part of it, and even less meaningful as a single number when comparing across architectures.
Would you say that its true even on titles where PS3 came on top (Vanquish, GTA5)?
I prefer not to speculate without knowing internal details, but it's not 'impossible', I know at least one title that 'won' a DF face-off that was held-back on PS3.
