Shmunter
Member
A safe bet would be for 0 need for complex solutions to streaming. You want it, you got it, whether open world or walking sim.
Although that translating to other platforms is a non starter, so we shall see how it plays out..
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Although that translating to other platforms is a non starter, so we shall see how it plays out..
TBiddy
Member
We saw what happened when that Dealer discord FUD got out of control. But I don't think anyone will be treatingBo_Hazem like he's a big shot YouTuber, developer or insider.
Probably not - but repeat a lie enough times and people will believe. And as stated earlier, the more well-articulated you are, the easier it is to get people to believe your outrageous claims.
DaGwaphics
Member
Has Microsoft ever shown anything realtime before E3 of launch year?
Did he though? Because the bus they are running that expansion m.2 on is likely limited to 7GB/s.
ethomaz
Banned
But that is my point... Cerny says you will can run games normally from standard SSDs to be launched late this year.
That means you don't really need what is inside PS5 SSD... you need the custom I/O silicon of course but the custom silicon is the same no matter the SSD.
I can understand if you say to match the custom PS5 SSD you need standard SSDs with 7GB/s or more... that is what Cerny hints... the 12 lanes and priorities* are not needed it just make it more efficient but you can overcome that with faster speeds... after 7GB/s SSDs it will be launched the 9GB/s SSDs ones these ones will probably runs games better than PS5 SSDs.
Is the priorities attached to the SSD or custom silicom?
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MasterCornholio
Member
Not necessarily true look what happened to rntongo.
Gediminas
Banned
your nonsense is limited. not enough time in xbox discord group?
through i made i mistake, he said 7GB/s not 7,5GB/s.
ethomaz
Banned
M.2 bus is limited to how many PCI-E 4.0 lanes it is linked.
It is 2GB/s per lane.
So to use a 7GB/s SSD you need a M.2 linked to 4x PCI-E 4.0 (8GB/s).
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Thirty7ven
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I feel like this bears repeating because apparently it has become the single hardest thing to understand about it. Sony really should've gone with some clever branding for it, like "Blink You Miss It Architecture".
Shmunter
Member
Yeah this is seriously disappointing and a sizeable chink in the Sony armour. Sometimes you need loss leaders, people that come for those titles will buy other ones too. Not to mention it all adds to strengthening the brand. Bad Sony.
DaGwaphics
Member
Real-world throughput on PCIe x4 is 7GB/s give or take. The fastest drives to use that will be at around 7GB/s,
ethomaz
Banned
Sony Speed Booster Ultra Architecture
DaGwaphics
Member
yewles1
Member
The SSD Itself has the 6 priority lanes, otherwise the issue about matching speeds would actually be pointless.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Could you please stop complaining for once and start debating and discussing? Let us see what you have and make a healthy outcome/conclusion.
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B_Boss
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My pro had the exact same “toothpaste” badly applied. I decided to finally clean my PS4 Pro that I purchased in 2017 and the poor console had never been cleaned or opened before up until then.
I took a few good hours to completely clean it out. The 2 games that made my console wail in anguish were Battlefield V and Division 2. They were used as tests basically but I think I prepped well.
My experience is absolutely different from your own as I’ll explain but basically, opened it completely, cleaned and reapplied paste using Arctic Silver MX-4 also purchased a Samsung EVO 860 SSD (1tb), Arctic Silver “ArctiClean” (for cleaning the older thermal paste and prepping/reapplying the newer MX-4 paste) and FujiPoly Ultra Extreme XR-M Thermal Pad (60x50x1.0) for applying to the Semiconductors and the GDDR5. I’m grateful you know just how loud that console can get lol, exactly like an aircraft but I am thoroughly impressed with the results. It’s been a bit over a month and the damned console doesn’t make a sound. It is absolutely quiet and runs extremely well considering I haven’t had literally one “CE-34878” error in Division 2 which was absolutely rampant before I opened the console. I believe that may be due to the HDD but I’m not too sure.
Either way, my experience has been that cleaning and then reapplying the higher quality thermal paste and padding paid off in spades and the results are extremely apparent. The jet engine is literally no more
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FranXico
Member
What "new narrative"? This was made clear from the beginning.
Artists take a lot of time making different LOD versions of their models.
Now that data can be streamed faster, games will very often only need one high detail model. Yes, it makes development faster.
TBiddy
Member
True. The mods are usually on point when it comes to dropping the hammer.
saintjules
Member
Posted already? Probably not much to some, but I don't usually hear Max mention much about what he's heard regarding next-gen.
I seriously won't mind the silence from Sony if this lineup turns out to be good.
I seriously won't mind the silence from Sony if this lineup turns out to be good.
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Vaztu
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MasterCornholio
Member
Which is why I don't really worry about that kind of stuff.
FranXico
Member
It existed late last year, as far as I remember. Now, I think it's a meme.
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Bo_Hazem
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Yes, you know better. A quotation from people who know "less" than what you do:
In fact, according to Quentin Staes-Polet, General Manager, India and SEA, of Epic Games, Unreal Engine 5 is built very specifically to “chase” photorealistic graphics in games. Speaking in an interview with Indian Express, Staes-Polet said that not only does the new engine allow developers to save a lot of time while making their games, it also lets them come that much closer to “full reality simulation.”
“We are chasing photorealism with Unreal Engine 5,” Staes-Polet said. “The new engine will save a lot of time and at the same time, it gets us one step closer to full reality simulation.”
“With Unreal Engine 5, you can take 4K Cinema quality 3D assets and ingest them in the engine as it is and work with them,” he added. “So that’s like a massive change as you can save a lot of time and on top of it, it brings photorealistic gaming in the future.”
Unreal Engine 5 Is “Chasing Photorealism” – Epic Games
Thanks to
JareBear: Remastered
for that quotation.
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TBiddy
Member
I rarely bother as well. But there's a limit somewhere.
How does "save a lot of time" equal "cut development time in half"?
Also, it's awesome to see how the General Manager of Epic Games India is stating how many man-hours can be saved by using the product his employer creates. Obviously a very trustworthy and neutral source.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
The first is fact, the second is my personal assumption. You can discuss and debate in an appropriate way saying otherwise, and I can back my point as well. Let the readers choose what they think is right, and everybody is welcome into the discussion without throwing shit around and acting like some kind of authority.
TBiddy
Member
The former is debatable and the latter is outrageous. Having a super-fast SSD is not going to cut game development time in half (or more).
PS. I haven't thrown shit. You were the one who wrote I needed to stop whining, although you later edited that.
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GermanZepp
Member
Do yo guys know this ad?
saintjules
Member
Yup. I think I posted this some time ago on here. Didn't see 2:45 though, haha. The other version cuts off just before this.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Could you provide how did you come to that conclusion? Here, a map section in less than one hour:
In 2 hours:
Counter strike map in 1 hour:
While artists are making their worlds, story is being crafted in parallel, character movements could even be created in engine without an actor at this point, or you can go the extra mile. Now, please don't give me one poor sentence, explain your point. Guess what? Even indies will up their quality, one guy made this:
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Wow,
Mod of War
may help us out here and see if something wrong is going on, like turning discussions into toxic, baseless war.
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jose4gg
Member
I definitely do not think it can cut the development time in half, BUT, if you watch the next developer conference you will see all the time and effort that the team behind SpiderMan had to put into making the game just because the slow HDD inside the PS4 and PS4Pro, all the techniques to make it work right, duplicating elements, hiding stuff from the user when is moving fast, putting the map into chunks, designing a map that is convenient to do so, putting high buildings not just because is New York but because they need to hide what is behind all those buildings, limiting the quality of the assets such as textures, and file sizes...
Take a look at it and tell me how many weeks or even months do you think they could have saved themself without the need of implementing all those technics...
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Rusco Da Vino
Member
Some people wantWe saw what happened when that Dealer discord FUD got out of control. But I don't think anyone will be treating
Bo_Hazem
banned, so they bait him for almost nothing. A fucking opinion is now a "new narrative" The perfect strawman to derail the thread and boycott the genuine conversation.
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PaintTinJr
Member
I've said it multiple times in this thread, but it is well worth backing up, formatting the PS4(or Pro HDD) on a PC, reinstalling with USB firmware before opening any PS4/Pro for thermal pasting.My pro had the exact same “toothpaste” badly applied. I decided to finally clean my PS4 Pro that I purchased in 2017 and the poor console had never been cleaned or opened before up until then.
I took a few good hours to completely clean it out. The 2 games that made my console wail in anguish were Battlefield V and Division 2. They were used as tests basically but I think I prepped well.
My experience is absolutely different from your own as I’ll explain but basically, opened it completely, cleaned and reapplied paste using Arctic Silver MX-4 also purchased a Samsung EVO 860 SSD (1tb), Arctic Silver “ArctiClean” (for cleaning the older thermal paste and prepping/reapplying the newer MX-4 paste) and FujiPoly Ultra Extreme XR-M Thermal Pad (60x50x1.0) for applying to the Semiconductors and the GDDR5. I’m grateful you know just how loud that console can get lol, exactly like an aircraft but I am thoroughly impressed with the results. It’s been a bit over a month and the damned console doesn’t make a sound. It is absolutely quiet and runs extremely well considering I haven’t had literally one “CE-34878” error in Division 2 which was absolutely rampant before I opened the console. I believe that may be due to the HDD but I’m not too sure.
Either way, my experience has been that cleaning and then reapplying the higher quality thermal paste and padding paid off in spades and the results are extremely apparent. The jet engine is literally no more
You changing the the HDD did the same task, and using an SSD should alleviate any read or write issues on a slow laptop HDD (that may cause heat issues) even more. I wonder if
FeiRR
changed the HDD to an SSD or did a external HDD format and restore if his Pro would also see a noise reduction - like my friend's pro did.
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ethomaz
Banned
I believe it was dissolved after somebody exposed it (It was real until March/April)... or perhaps it just moved to some other place or group.
But it was real... some GAFers take part into it.
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Gediminas
Banned
have you any evidence that super fast SSD can't cut game development in half? did you done any research? can you share it? do you have experience in development of games like 10+ years? and 1+ years with PS5?
Md Ray
Member
Is PS5's APU monolithic like Series X? Or is it based on chiplet design?
To me, it felt like a chiplet design from Cerny's presentation slide: CPU/GPU in one die and a separate die that acts as an I/O complex housing DMA controller, PCIe lanes, I/O processors, and whatnot. What do y'all think?
To me, it felt like a chiplet design from Cerny's presentation slide: CPU/GPU in one die and a separate die that acts as an I/O complex housing DMA controller, PCIe lanes, I/O processors, and whatnot. What do y'all think?
Bo_Hazem
Banned
We saw what happened when that Dealer discord FUD got out of control. But I don't think anyone will be treating
Did I claim that I'm a developer or an insider though? Didn't I just choke that post with several, direct quotations? Did you even gave it the time to check it out, as they're all precisely timestamped? Do you have anything to add like normal contributors to the thread here? Remember what I said at the very end:
More educated people in the matter may contribute or correct me here.
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Only good thibg about e3 was how we all know for most part what to expect especially on new gens, know is mini episode with little or no information
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MasterCornholio
Member
Well they baited him into a perm before. I don't see why they will stop given his console preference.
With that said
Bo_Hazem
is pretty harmless.
MasterCornholio
Member
Just relax I'm not your enemy here.
I'm just saying that your not really trying to do anything bad here. You are just participating in speculation like most of us are.
I was just telling
TBiddy
that your not here to do any damage like Tim Dog, R600, FCRC, TFlivesmatters, rightisright, Meirl etc..
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Just relax I'm not your enemy here.
I'm just saying that your not really trying to do anything bad here. You are just participating in speculation like most of us are.
I was just telling
The first time they baited me into console warring memes, now I'm only using rational discussions and debates. If someone can't say why he thinks something is wrong without solidifying his point, then he's not worth to be taken seriously.
Maybe my latest posts have hurt the XboxEra Discord using only facts and direct quotations from "Big Shots" not random people playing EU5 demo on Windows Media Player.
I won't bite the bait, I'll keep it informative, and that guy has already wasted enough of my time with his baseless accusations.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Absolutely nothing wrong with that. That's what the speculation thread is for and if people don't want you to speculate then they should not participate in this thread.
I remember there was someone a while back that was reply banned because he complained about people speculating in the speculation thread. Nobody should be that guy.
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Neo Blaster
Member
Sometimes I think Sony will have to go MS way and make proprietary drives just to be able to keep up to the internal SSD.
Neo Blaster
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Third parties will simply work with Sony to have PS5 compatible SSDs. You will see "PS5 compatible" in the front of the box and that's it.
I'm sure companies won't turn a blind eye at expanding their market.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
They already make memory cards, amazing ones for cameras and camcorders. I think they might work something out with Samsung or other memory makers. It's not just profitable for Sony, but it'll make those companies to have superior SSD tech that PC enthusiasts will kill for.
MasterCornholio
Member
Are we finally banning BO for good?!
just kidding man. You're fucking hilarious
Hopefully we can ban Body Odor for good.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Are we finally banning BO for good?!
I don't know man, it's just normal discussions and healthy debates, although they can contain spicy information which is still healthy, I guess.
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