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jasondefaoite
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Time to revisit the launch of the Xbox One.
Digital Foundry vs. the Xbox One architects
"There's a lot of misinformation out there and a lot of people who don't get it. We're actually extremely proud of our design."
www.eurogamer.net
One interesting point in the article was about CU count versus Clock. MS evaluated this and had some interesting findings.
- CU count on the XB1 increased from 12 to 14. That's an increase in TFLOP of 16.6%.
- CU count remains as 12, but the GPU clock was increased from 800 to 853MHz, so a TFLOP increase of 6.6%.
So, logically the higher CU count would perform better? Not so, according to MS.
"but in terms of actual measured games - what actually, ultimately counts - is that it was a better engineering decision to raise the clock."
"Increasing the frequency impacts the whole of the GPU whereas adding CUs beefs up shaders and ALU," interjects Nick Baker.
"Right. By fixing the clock, not only do we increase our ALU performance, we also increase our vertex rate, we increase our pixel rate and ironically increase our ESRAM bandwidth," continues Goossen.
"But we also increase the performance in areas surrounding bottlenecks like the drawcalls flowing through the pipeline, the performance of reading GPRs out of the GPR pool, etc. GPUs are giantly complex. There's gazillions of areas in the pipeline that can be your bottleneck in addition to just ALU and fetch performance."
jose4gg
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Time to revisit the launch of the Xbox One.
Digital Foundry vs. the Xbox One architects
"There's a lot of misinformation out there and a lot of people who don't get it. We're actually extremely proud of our design."
One interesting point in the article was about CU count versus Clock. MS evaluated this and had some interesting findings.
- CU count on the XB1 increased from 12 to 14. That's an increase in TFLOP of 16.6%.
- CU count remains as 12, but the GPU clock was increased from 800 to 853MHz, so a TFLOP increase of 6.6%.
So, logically the higher CU count would perform better? Not so, according to MS.
"but in terms of actual measured games - what actually, ultimately counts - is that it was a better engineering decision to raise the clock."
"Increasing the frequency impacts the whole of the GPU whereas adding CUs beefs up shaders and ALU," interjects Nick Baker.
"Right. By fixing the clock, not only do we increase our ALU performance, we also increase our vertex rate, we increase our pixel rate and ironically increase our ESRAM bandwidth," continues Goossen.
"But we also increase the performance in areas surrounding bottlenecks like the drawcalls flowing through the pipeline, the performance of reading GPRs out of the GPR pool, etc. GPUs are giantly complex. There's gazillions of areas in the pipeline that can be your bottleneck in addition to just ALU and fetch performance."
So Cerny wasn’t lying...
Who would have thought?!
Lunatic_Gamer
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Microsoft is preparing investors on potential acquisition of gaming studios
Snowdonhoffen
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Hmmmm Asobo Studios, Bloober Team, Moon Studios... maybe a Japanese developer?
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Anti competitive behaviour!
zubairali2
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Kaiserstark
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We have the same kind of quote from Jim Ryan for Sony, obviously they want to have more content.
They never gonna say "We're fine, we don't need to invest more".
T-Cake
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I'm trying to rack my brains but I can't think of anything. Most of the games coming are cross-gen. Better off going with Cyberpunk 2077 and AC Valhalla as they already have those titles for marketing (I think).
jimbojim
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So, this list needs to be updated with 2020 quote. Prefer this one :
“I honestly think we’re in the best launch lineup position that we’ve ever been on Xbox,” Spencer said.
Xbox Series X will have Microsoft’s ‘most diverse collection of first-party games’
Games that you can also play on Xbox One (and elsewhere)www.polygon.com
List updated. I think i've nailed it.
thurnishaleygw
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List updated. I think i've nailed it.
zaitsu
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Oh boy Phil saying that he feel good after Soby show and that they are going to have best lineup ever just aged so bad. Its like 2013 again.List updated. I think i've nailed it.
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By-mission
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Time to revisit the launch of the Xbox One.
Digital Foundry vs. the Xbox One architects
"There's a lot of misinformation out there and a lot of people who don't get it. We're actually extremely proud of our design."
One interesting point in the article was about CU count versus Clock. MS evaluated this and had some interesting findings.
- CU count on the XB1 increased from 12 to 14. That's an increase in TFLOP of 16.6%.
- CU count remains as 12, but the GPU clock was increased from 800 to 853MHz, so a TFLOP increase of 6.6%.
So, logically the higher CU count would perform better? Not so, according to MS.
"but in terms of actual measured games - what actually, ultimately counts - is that it was a better engineering decision to raise the clock."
"Increasing the frequency impacts the whole of the GPU whereas adding CUs beefs up shaders and ALU," interjects Nick Baker.
"Right. By fixing the clock, not only do we increase our ALU performance, we also increase our vertex rate, we increase our pixel rate and ironically increase our ESRAM bandwidth," continues Goossen.
"But we also increase the performance in areas surrounding bottlenecks like the drawcalls flowing through the pipeline, the performance of reading GPRs out of the GPR pool, etc. GPUs are giantly complex. There's gazillions of areas in the pipeline that can be your bottleneck in addition to just ALU and fetch performance."
They increase the clock because there was really no way to increase the size of the APU and consequently increase the price ...
up from the PS4’s 348 sq mm. The 5% additional space, despite having the smaller GPU core, is mostly due to RAM. The Xbox One contains a whopping 47MB of on-die RAM, and that pushes the die size up considerably. It’s also why Microsoft didn’t have room on the APU for a larger GPU.
The other mystery? The Xbox One GPU cores are physically shorter than the PS4’s equivalents. I don’t mean the GPU block, which is obviously smaller — one GPU Compute Unit on the PS4 diagram, is 50 pixels wide, 395 pixels tall. On the Xbox One, each Compute Unit is 42 pixels wide, 347 pixels tall. It looks as though Microsoft may have picked a tighter arrangement for its GPU core, again possibly to save the maximum amount of space and make room for as much SRAM on die as possible.
Xbox One APU reverse engineered, reveals SRAM as the reason for small GPU
The latest teardown results for the Xbox One are in and the die examination reveals some intriguing differences. The two consoles, despite their many similarities, are not identical.
www.extremetech.com
jasondefaoite
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The GPU had 14 CUs, with 2 disabled to help with the yields. So not disabling the CU would have no impact to the APU size. Price increase would depend on the yield (I've no idea how good/bad the yield was).
However, they made the comparison between increasing the CU count or the clock, and saw that increasing the clock had more benefits to actual gaming performance. Unless you are saying MS or Eurogamer are not truthful here.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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I think sony can announce absolutely nothing that could cheer you up more than microsoft news and the way you are translating them
Snowdonhoffen
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Playground Games is looking for a Lead Scriptwriter for Fable, this sounds like they're earlier in development than I thought
FunkMiller
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I'm hoping what's going on in Microsoft isn't being echoed over at Sony. This is a very unpleasant, uncertain time for everyone with Covid, and I'm sure a lot of why things are still so up in the air with both consoles is reflective of that.
I would like to see a strong announcement on something from Sony soon, to show that they are not mired in issues and problems the same way Xbox clearly is.
ZehDon
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I literally can't think of anything that wouldn't cost an unreasonable amount of money. I think they're going into a launch without a new game for their console...
List updated. I think i've nailed it.
By-mission
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Unless Microsoft pays, and that would be a lot of money, AMD would never be able to supply a 14 CU GPU with 14 active CUs, the reality of silicon manufacturing simply does not allow it. It would be like throwing away between 30% and 40% of all Xbox One APUs because the GPU contained 1 or 2 defective CUs!
P.S. Forgive the Google translator, I am afraid to misspell and be misunderstood with my poor English.
DaGwaphics
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List updated. I think i've nailed it.
They've had some great E3s IMO, better than Sony a few of those years.
sircaw
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You always were, nothing new....
Take a swim! Oh wait......
Watch your tongue Tug-boat.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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your english are fine
, but I'm afraid this is too much of a hothead's thread to pay attention to what you are sayingjasondefaoite
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They have compared a 14 CU chip to a 12 CU chip with a 53MHz boost in clock. The clock speed boost performed better in games as raising the GPU clock had other benefits. Are you saying this comparison is fabricated?
schaft0620
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Every week there's a new Xbox is buying x studio rumor. I'm at the point where I don't believe anybody anymore.
DrDamn
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Aren't proper enhanced XSX and PS5 versions of CP2077 next year too?
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Nope.
T-Cake
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Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't appear until second half though. They'll probably be working on the DLC at the same time.
DaGwaphics
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I've unfollowed Shinobi and the proven "insiders", too much hype in every direction.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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BlueXImpulse
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jasondefaoite
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So you think they were lying. Fair enough. I don't agree though.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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doesn't really matter what you do, because this already has happened and we all know what was the turnout.
so yeah...
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Hope it's a good port.Btw Xbox chaps, if you did not know,
Grim dawn will be on its way to the x box, probably this year.
I played it on pc, before my pc died, and I plowed over 1200 hours into over a number of years.
In my opinion, its one of the best action /loot game out there, miles better than diablo 3 and path of exile.
I think it is also going to come with 2 expansion as well.
It might not be the prettiest game in the world but its gameplay is second to none.
Loot is fantastic, classes, bosses varied, great skill trees, and tones of replayability. The world is huge. Rogue dungeons etc etc.
Some incredible secrets to find in-game as well.
As far as I know, it's not coming to ps4/5 SIGH, so kinda exclusive to box and pc atm.
A wonderful, wonderful game you should really try.
The developers are also super active always balancing and releasing updates.
+game is cheap, not in quality but in price.
Give it a go, if you get the chance.
By-mission
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They compared the GPU of the Xbox One development kit (the one with 14 active CUs) to the normal Xbox One production GPU (12 CUs for silicon manufacturing yield) ...
And yes this is irregular ...
Unfortunately I can't prove it with links and photos but as in all generations of consoles the development kits are much better than the final product (ex the Series X development kit has 32 GB of RAM) so there is no comparison with the real world, a production console.
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FunkMiller
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Glad to see the haptics are getting a positive response. It's the type of thing that could be super gimmicky (looking at you Sixaxis) but if implemented properly, could increase the level of immersion quite considerably.
ArcaneNLSC
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Controller packaging and warranty leaks suggest a potential November 6 release date for Microsoft's slate of next-gen consoles.
www.ign.com
Xbox Series X and S Could Launch on November 6, According to Controller Leaks - IGN
Controller packaging and warranty leaks suggest a potential November 6 release date for Microsoft's slate of next-gen consoles.
sircaw
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Those developers are good, + they really care about there game.
I think it will shine.
BlueXImpulse
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Imo it is just a natural evolution of rumble. I think Microsoft has just been sluggish in adopting this technology but they will eventually use it too.
jasondefaoite
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Do we? The comparisons we all know about were Xbox One vs PS4. That's not what I'm talking about here though.
By-mission
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your english are fine
Yes and I agree, but the way it was approached in the comments above is like a half truth so I commented ...
TheGreatWhiteShark
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yes, a) the outcome is known, and b) the only reason you brought this up is to embrace the stupid narrative that somehow 50% more CUs can be offset by a variable clock on a frying pan
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here you are:
<<So, logically the higher CU count would perform better? Not so, according to MS>>
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Those sales show why getting a marketing deal with Microsoft was a bad idea for CDPR. Analysts at other companies will certainly take notice. Oh no! We only sold 28 million, our marketing deal was a disaster!
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SaucyJack
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Before people start getting too excited, Klobrille Is misleading. I know, shock, horror!
That's not what their annual accounts filing really says, or means It says, in quite general terms, that they will be investing in Xbox studios but there is no specific activity that “investors” are being prepared for.
This is nothing new, Spencer and Booty have previously said that there May be future acquisitions.
jasondefaoite
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Actually no. The reason I brought it up, was in reply to the post saying TFLOP is the definitive factor when determining gaming performance. Both Sony and MS don't agree with that based off past interviews.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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As I already wrote, this was damage control from microsoft, AND the outcome is known to absolutely everyone in this forum!
and back then everyone (except that mrxmedia dude) were saying that clockspeed up just might narrow the gap a little bit, but that's all that it could do at the best case scenario.
and don't "actually no" me, here's what you wrote:
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jasondefaoite
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Go back and look at the post I replied to. I know what I was posting and why. You don't.
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