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[DaGwaphics]

Lmao Ratchet and Clank on PS4 would have 40 second transitions instead of a 1 second transition. That would be absolute ass.
Also if you can't see how the PS5 titles have a far higher polygon count and also higher shader complexity that's on you.
Ray tracing is a central next-gen feature too, you can't just say "it's just RT thrown in lmao". It has everything thrown in and no single feature should be discarded because armchair devs like doubters itc believe those features have a smaller implementation effort.
Fact is PS5 delivers the next-gen jump people want, they can't wait for it, it's gonna sell out in an hour, and we'll have the time of our lives, even if thousands scream "it's just ps4 games lmao"

The games they have shown look great. That combined with a good price on the DE will make for easy sales. I might even shift sides, just because the DE is the full experience and not a lower end version.

It's time to stop hiding everything, both should just tell everything at this point.

 

[Entroyp]

Oh yeah?

Here, i'll let you hand pick all the 85-90+ metacritic first/second party bangers released each year that are absolute must have system sellers going back to 2013...

2013 - Hmmm

2014 - Welp, maybe next year!

2015 - Oh, it's picking up! Journey and Bloodborne!

2016 - Shit, what happened.. Wait, we got Uncharted 4, yay!

2017 - Now we're talking! Horizon Zero Dawn! What else? Hmm Gran Turismo Sport! Wait. A 75? High class quality right there!

2018 - God of War and Spiderman! And VR has entered the chat... what else?

2019 - Wait, did we go back in time to 2013?

2020 - TLoU2 and Tsushima! Both amazing first/2nd party exclusives.... anything else slated for 2020? No?

No go back and do the same thing with Xbox... welp, obviously not a lot of titles climb into the 90 territory but they are generally a very solid 85+ and release more frequently giving Xbox fans more to play along the way. Also more Xbox titles are MP focused giving the actual game better legs as far as replayability.

Like i said, Sony and MS have had a very different approach to game releases this gen but Sony have hardly "outclassed" MS in their releases.

So your argument is that MS has been putting out quality games all these years? Or at least comparable to Playstation?

 

[BlueXImpulse]

Bloodborne alone means that Sony outclassed Microsoft. Not to mention God of War. Both of these games are some of the best games ever made. I can't believe you are trying to make this debatable, splattered.

 

[zaitsu]

Oh yeah?

Here, i'll let you hand pick all the 85-90+ metacritic first/second party bangers released each year that are absolute must have system sellers going back to 2013...

2013 - Hmmm

2014 - Welp, maybe next year!

2015 - Oh, it's picking up! Journey and Bloodborne!

2016 - Shit, what happened.. Wait, we got Uncharted 4, yay!

2017 - Now we're talking! Horizon Zero Dawn! What else? Hmm Gran Turismo Sport! Wait. A 75? High class quality right there!

2018 - God of War and Spiderman! And VR has entered the chat... what else?

2019 - Wait, did we go back in time to 2013?

2020 - TLoU2 and Tsushima! Both amazing first/2nd party exclusives.... anything else slated for 2020? No?

No go back and do the same thing with Xbox... welp, obviously not a lot of titles climb into the 90 territory but they are generally a very solid 85+ and release more frequently giving Xbox fans more to play along the way. Also more Xbox titles are MP focused giving the actual game better legs as far as replayability.

Like i said, Sony and MS have had a very different approach to game releases this gen but Sony have hardly "outclassed" MS in their releases.

Exclusives Games I've enjoyed (or gonna enjoy in 2020)
2013 - Killzone
2014 - Infamous Second Son, The last of Us remastered,
2015 -Bloodborne, Until Dawn, The order 1886
2016 - Uncharted 4, Ratchet and Clank
2017 - Horizon Zero Dawn
2018 - God of war, Spiderman , Shadow of the Collosus
2019 - Days Gone
2020 - TLoU2, GOT, Spiderman Miles Morales

and same for xbox 2013-2020 - Quantum break

so it's like 16 vs 1

I've had every console this generation and played most multiplatforms on regular PS4 then on XOX when it's came out.
This generation I won't buy any xbox console until they will have 10 strong exclusives games already released.

State of xbox is diehard fans fault which are happy with no exclusives on launch and already waiting for Halo which should never be showed in that state. You should thanks PS fanboys, because without them Halo probably would be released with "bad lightning".

 

[splattered]

Lmao

You have to go by metacritic in order to arbitertly remove their games, and you still manage to miss some out.

That list alone disproves your nonsense about having to wait every 3 years for Somy to drop some titles

At least you tried though.

I was also generous and threw in a couple 3rd party games (Bloodborne and Spiderman for example)

And hell i went by Metacritic despite the obvious media bias given to Sony ratings.

My point was that Sony wasn't pumping out constant huge system sellers year after year.

It took four years before we got the first GOOD 1st party game, UC4, and then the others trickled in over the next few years one at a time skipping 2019 for some reason.

Just taking a look at that release time fame, are we to expect the same for next gen?

Output by Sony this gen wasn't be all end all, sorry.

 

[Bonsaibäumchen]

Nobody reads them and its complete gibberish. Gives us a laugh though, so continue.

Most of it you not agreeing with Ps5 principal engineer who has life time acheivement awards and gaming hall of fame, and even has a couple of patents that will apply to ps5 and give benefits. And you are ?

FUD bingo is fun though. We believe our eyes of games running, that is the benchmark of how well stuff works.

Are you a mindreader or magician? How do you know I tend to skip his posts?

 

[kretos]

where is this from?

 

[sircaw]

Exclusives Games I've enjoyed (or gonna enjoy in 2020)
2013 - Killzone
2014 - Infamous Second Son, The last of Us remastered,
2015 -Bloodborne, Until Dawn, The order 1886
2016 - Uncharted 4, Ratchet and Clank
2017 - Horizon Zero Dawn
2018 - God of war, Spiderman , Shadow of the Collosus
2019 - Days Gone
2020 - TLoU2, GOT, Spiderman Miles Morales

and same for xbox 2013-2020 - Quantum break

is persona 5 on pc?
last guardian
Gravity rush
that postman game, pc too i think

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I was also generous and threw in a couple 3rd party games (Bloodborne and Spiderman for example)

And hell i went by Metacritic despite the obvious media bias given to Sony ratings.

My point was that Sony wasn't pumping out constant huge system sellers year after year.

It took four years before we got the first GOOD 1st party game, UC4, and then the others trickled in over the next few years one at a time skipping 2019 for some reason.

Just taking a look at that release time fame, are we to expect the same for next gen?

Output by Sony this gen wasn't be all end all, sorry.

Spiderman and Bloodborne are first party my man

Your point is nullified by being wrong, even with your flawed list

Also media bias LMAO. Figured you'd stoop that low

 

[splattered]

Bloodborne alone means that Sony outclassed Microsoft. Not to mention God of War. Both of these games are some of the best games ever made. I can't believe you are trying to make this debatable, splattered.

Bloodborne was in my top 5 of this generation, but it wasn't first party. Just an excellent third party exclusive.

Exclusives Games I've enjoyed (or gonna enjoy in 2020)
2013 - Killzone
2014 - Infamous Second Son, The last of Us remastered,
2015 -Bloodborne, Until Dawn, The order 1886
2016 - Uncharted 4, Ratchet and Clank
2017 - Horizon Zero Dawn
2018 - God of war, Spiderman , Shadow of the Collosus
2019 - Days Gone
2020 - TLoU2, GOT, Spiderman Miles Morales

and same for xbox 2013-2020 - Quantum break

I really enjoyed most of those games too, but they weren't system sellers.

If you honestly only enjoyed Quantum Break on Xbox this gen then i don't know what to tell you.

Different strokes i guess.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

Instead of first/third party then. How about we just say "exclusives".

 

[splattered]

Spiderman and Bloodborne are first party my man

Your point is nullified by being wrong, even with your flawed list

Spiderman was 3rd party when it was developed and released, Sony only recently acquired them making them a first party studio. Miles Morals will be first party. Spiderman on PS4 was not.

Bloodborne was developed by From Software which is a third party developer, they are not first or even second party.

 

[FranXico]

3rd party games (Bloodborne and Spiderman for example)

Bloodborne was developed by From Software which is a third party developer, they are not first or even second party.

Both published by Sony, Bloodborne IP owned by Sony.
"3rd party" is not just about developers, you know. Otherwise, we would call Forza Horizon 1 and 2 3rd party games.

 

[Gediminas]

Spiderman and Bloodborne are first party my man

Your point is nullified by being wrong, even with your flawed list

Also media bias LMAO. Figured you'd stoop that low

Bloodborne second party,
Spider Man the same at that time.

 

[yewles1]

You are giving a bad name to bugs


I am afraid the simple answer is quality control. Microsoft was prepared to ship it out in an awful state, but the backlash was just too high.

This should really worry you, they are prepared to release unfished, products, full of bugs and problems is a big no no for the future of their ecosystem.

The halo demo was a disaster, imagine the things we could not see, if that was the best of what they had to show, can you imagine the worst of it.

those new studios they bought, that's great and all, but they will be under extreme pressure. Postman Phil might come across all nice and dandy on videos, but behind the scenes that guy is a total prick, cutthroat. you do not get that high on the corporate ladder being Mr nice guy.

He is under extreme pressure to deliver, he wants results, he has time tables and schedules that need to be adhered to.

Games quality is going to take a massive backstep because of gamespass and the need to feed the monster.

those 90% scores from great studios like playground games are going to turn into 85%. mediocre studio are going to start pumping out even worse content.

I hate to say it, Microsoft is going to destroy gaming with their shitty approach.

why the hell could they just not take notes from sony, produce good quality games and the people will come.

It's like those people at the markets selling knock off DVDs back i the day. SIGH

Gamepass is the death of quality gaming.

Can we say "Arrogant Microsoft" without getting banned?

 

[zaitsu]

Bloodborne was in my top 5 of this generation, but it wasn't first party. Just an excellent third party exclusive.




I really enjoyed most of those games too, but they weren't system sellers.

If you honestly only enjoyed Quantum Break on Xbox this gen then i don't know what to tell you.

Different strokes i guess.

Can you tell me which games from XBOX you've enjoyed this gen ? Lets if I've tried them.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Spiderman was 3rd party when it was developed and released, Sony only recently acquired them making them a first party studio. Miles Morals will be first party. Spiderman on PS4 was not.

Bloodborne was developed by From Software which is a third party developer, they are not first or even second party.

Lost count how many times this has been argued, yet its so simple

Who owns Spiderman and Bloodborne? The first party or the third parties?

 

[SaucyJack]

Spiderman was 3rd party when it was developed and released, Sony only recently acquired them making them a first party studio. Miles Morals will be first party. Spiderman on PS4 was not.

Bloodborne was developed by From Software which is a third party developer, they are not first or even second party.

That’s really just fucking semantics though.

Spider-Man and Bloodborne ips are owned by Sony. They funded 3rd party developers to make these exclusives for them. Often people call this second party. But really who cares, the important thing is that they are PlayStation exclusive games funded by Sony.

 

[JonnyMP3]

I was also generous and threw in a couple 3rd party games (Bloodborne and Spiderman for example)

And hell i went by Metacritic despite the obvious media bias given to Sony ratings.

My point was that Sony wasn't pumping out constant huge system sellers year after year.

It took four years before we got the first GOOD 1st party game, UC4, and then the others trickled in over the next few years one at a time skipping 2019 for some reason.

Just taking a look at that release time fame, are we to expect the same for next gen?

Output by Sony this gen wasn't be all end all, sorry.

PS4 software sales spike during the pandemic

The Last of Us Part II was a strong performer

www.theverge.com

112 MILLION UNITS!!
Are you literally insane?

If being one of the highest selling consoles of all time isn't system selling... I think you may need to see a specialist.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Bloodborne second party,
Spider Man the same at that time.

They're first party

 

[Bonsaibäumchen]

Haha weee i stirred a hornets nest this morning.

No no everyone here is right... Sony 1st party have only had the Dev Kits for 6-12 months and magically whipped up all the games shown in a near release state on PS5 ready to be released come launch in November through Q2 2021. Be realistic people.

The reason a lot of MS games being shown on equivalent PC specs is because their dev kits haven't been in the hands of developers as long as PS5 dev kits have.

PS5 target was 10tf in 2019, XSX target was 12tf in 2020.

You're looking at a bunch of PS4 games that migrated to PS5 and had time for extra bells and whistles polish. And then you have some stuff like HZD2 which are more likely to be purely PS5 based though we have yet to see any real gameplay from it. HZD2 will be the first major pure PS5 release that all other PS5 games will be compared against for quite some time, and that may not even drop for another year or two.

Or you just don't get how game development works especially when generations are switching.

The Devteams sure have been informed what kind of specs Sony was targeting. And their development started probably on some kind of pc that simulated these specs to a degree.

You can also start designing, programming and creating a game for a "theoretical' hardware and measure specific performancepoints without having to actually test & run on that hardware.

Even engine programming can be partially done beforehand. Thats a reason why Sonys 1st party titles are getting so much better on the same hardware. Engines are beeing worked on while the games and consoles are in development. So most Engines that will run Launchdate PS5 Games won't be 100% programmed for that specific hardware in mind. Expect those 2-4 year from console launch.

All this dosn't mean though that Sony intented to release the PS5 in 2019. Thats just the assumption some people have made. Theres no evidence for it though.

But hey you do you.

 

[zaitsu]

Bloodborne second party,
Spider Man the same at that time.

Can you play ot something different than PS4 ? No. So who cares.

 

[splattered]

Instead of first/third party then. How about we just say "exclusives".

That's fair.

But again Sony and MS had a different approach... MS was focused on trying to build up their 1st party studios and Sony was fine releasing a trickle of 1st party games while money hatting every 3rd party exclusive they could.

We saw MS invest more in their own studios this generation (including acquisitions) which i am in favor of.

I was focusing on first and second party releases this gen, i don't want to see either company go out there and try and snatch up every little game already in development so everyone else can't have it.

I would rather see Sony put out MORE high quality titles each year that come from their own studios.

Those are the "exclusives" we should all be hoping for.

 

[FranXico]

Can you play ot something different than PS4 ? No. So who cares.

You can still stream Bloodborne to a PC.
But maybe a PC version will be released soon (5 years or so after the console release).

 

[Red_Driver85]

this is not the "next gen analysis and specualtion" thread

Why so serious, bro? I didn't really notice any useful analysis based on any technical material from you.
Except for the technical junk out of your head. And you don't even approximately understand how hardware works. And this is really sad.

 

[RyanEvans21]

You want something for xbox ?
2013 - meh nothing really
2014 - meh nothing really
2015 - meh nothing really
2016 - meh nothing really
2017 - meh nothing really
2018 - meh nothing really
2019 - meh nothing really
2020 - meh nothing really
2021 - meh nothing really

I've played multiplatform on XOX but common, there were ZERO, NULL strong titles from Xbox this gen xD

True! Compare to Original Xbox And 360

 

[zaitsu]

True! Compare to Original Xbox And 360

Yeah i never had PS3, only X360. And before that only PCs.

 

[Dodkrake]

splattered

Bloodborne
Driveclub
Days gone
Detroit become human
Ghost of Tsushima
God of war
Grand turismo Sport
Horizon Zero Dawn
The last of us 2
Spiderman
Uncharted 4
Uncharted lost legacy
Until Dawn

The list of exclusives I got. Some of them were exclusives at launch and for a good while, then released on PC

Is this glacial pace? I see >1 AAA exclusive per year.

Go troll somewhere else

 

[splattered]

I'm curious to know how many of you saying there is nothing good on Xbox even OWN an Xbox or play it on a regular basis?

I have owned both PS4 and XB the entire generation and i can acknowledge the actual system sellers from both companies.

Whether Bloodborne and Spiderman are first or third party i still mentioned them in my lists because it's kind of a grey area and they're still system sellers.

Most of the replies here more read like something someone who only owns a PlayStation would say.

 

[RyanEvans21]

That's fair.

But again Sony and MS had a different approach... MS was focused on trying to build up their 1st party studios and Sony was fine releasing a trickle of 1st party games while money hatting every 3rd party exclusive they could.

We saw MS invest more in their own studios this generation (including acquisitions) which i am in favor of.

I was focusing on first and second party releases this gen, i don't want to see either company go out there and try and snatch up every little game already in development so everyone else can't have it.

I would rather see Sony put out MORE high quality titles each year that come from their own studios.

Those are the "exclusives" we should all be hoping for.

Did You Watch microsoft last event? they have like 20 or something exclusive 3rd party games too.

 

[splattered]

splattered

Bloodborne
Driveclub
Days gone
Detroit become human
Ghost of Tsushima
God of war
Grand turismo Sport
Horizon Zero Dawn
The last of us 2
Spiderman
Uncharted 4
Uncharted lost legacy
Until Dawn

The list of exclusives I got. Some of them were exclusives at launch and for a good while, then released on PC

Is this glacial pace? I see >1 AAA exclusive per year.

Go troll somewhere else

I'm not trolling, i'm just responding to the tired "But xbox has no games!" or "Sony outclasses MS because they have Spiderman!" type of argument.

And yeah the actual first party output is pretty slow. They are notorious for that, even Cerny said he wants to try and speed up dev times with their new tech. He wouldn't have mentioned that if it wasn't an issue.

 

[zaitsu]

I'm curious to know how many of you saying there is nothing good on Xbox even OWN an Xbox or play it on a regular basis?

I have owned both PS4 and XB the entire generation and i can acknowledge the actual system sellers from both companies.

Whether Bloodborne and Spiderman are first or third party i still mentioned them in my lists because it's kind of a grey area and they're still system sellers.

Most of the replies here more read like something someone who only owns a PlayStation would say.

I've got every console this generation.( EDIT : Almost, ive never had XOS) Ive sold them and bought them event 3 times (ps4 slim) or twice (XOX,PS4 PRO) - reason for that is when i must learn something i can't have console at home hahaha
so
1x regular ps4
1x regular xbox
3x ps4 slim
2x ps4 pro
2x XOX
1x switch ( played zelda and sold it)

so i had 10 consoles this generation...
Some serious gaming problem, and i know it's the only way i can manage that.
If XBOX had strong tittles this gen i've probably wouldn't be MD .

 

[JonnyMP3]

I'm curious to know how many of you saying there is nothing good on Xbox even OWN an Xbox or play it on a regular basis?

I have owned both PS4 and XB the entire generation and i can acknowledge the actual system sellers from both companies.

Whether Bloodborne and Spiderman are first or third party i still mentioned them in my lists because it's kind of a grey area and they're still system sellers.

Most of the replies here more read like something someone who only owns a PlayStation would say.

Please list the Xbox One's list of exclusive system sellers.
Dying to actually find out what I'm supposedly missing.

 

[splattered]

Did You Watch microsoft last event? they have like 20 or something exclusive 3rd party games too.

I know, it sucks. I would have liked to have seen both Sony and MS come out swinging with bad ass first party launch titles but both shit the bed and hit the panic button buying games up to pad next year's releases.

 

[FranXico]

Please list the Xbox One's list of exclusive system sellers.
Dying to actually find out what I'm supposedly missing.

It had pretty good games too. I'll try Gears 5 soon.

 

[zaitsu]

I know, it sucks. I would have liked to have seen both Sony and MS come out swinging with bad ass first party launch titles but both shit the bed and hit the panic button buying games up to pad next year's releases.

I'm waiting for your MS list.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I'm curious to know how many of you saying there is nothing good on Xbox even OWN an Xbox or play it on a regular basis?

I have owned both PS4 and XB the entire generation and i can acknowledge the actual system sellers from both companies.

Whether Bloodborne and Spiderman are first or third party i still mentioned them in my lists because it's kind of a grey area and they're still system sellers.

Most of the replies here more read like something someone who only owns a PlayStation would say.

If we're going by your own criterias

FH 4
FH 3
Ori 2
FM 6
FM 7

That's pretty pathetic

 

[zaitsu]

It had pretty good games too. I'll try Gears 5 soon.

I've played it after finishing 4th part, and get bored after 2 hours. Both Gears were mediocore, but looked grat on XOX

 

[splattered]

Please list the Xbox One's list of exclusive system sellers.
Dying to actually find out what I'm supposedly missing.

If you don't even own an xbox i'm not going to bother listing anything because you obviously don't see anything of value and nothing i say is going to change your mind.

I'm sitting here saying BOTH systems have awesome games worth owning the console for and you're basically saying "Nuh uh, i only own a Playstation so Xbox has no games!"

 

[splattered]

If we're going by your own criterias

FH 4
FH 3
Ori 2
FM 6
FM 7

That's pretty pathetic

Huh?

FH games are first party, Ori is not though.. they are an independent studio.

 

[FeiRR]

Guys, seriously. Use that ignore button. Craigslist wars lead nowhere.

 

[splattered]

I think the arguments have derailed this thread enough though, sorry!

Lets get back to the topic on hand i guess. haha

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Huh?

FH games are first party, Ori is not though.. they are an independent studio.

Ori is first party.

Game produced by first party = first party game.

None the less, going by your own criteria, Sony outclasses them in both quality and output, like i said

 

[RyanEvans21]

Please list the Xbox One's list of exclusive system sellers.
Dying to actually find out what I'm supposedly missing.

Spiderman was 3rd party when it was developed and released, Sony only recently acquired them making them a first party studio. Miles Morals will be first party. Spiderman on PS4 was not.

Bloodborne was developed by From Software which is a third party developer, they are not first or even second party.

Sony Hired Insomniac to make Spider-Man Game. It's not on other platform so still exclusive

Bloodborne was made by sony japan & From Software and Sony owned the ip.

 

[JonnyMP3]

If you don't even own an xbox i'm not going to bother listing anything because you obviously don't see anything of value and nothing i say is going to change your mind.

I'm sitting here saying BOTH systems have awesome games worth owning the console for and you're basically saying "Nuh uh, i only own a Playstation so Xbox has no games!"

You can't be bothered to write an Xbox list of games to prove that imaginary bunch of exclusives...
But wrote an extensive PlayStation list by year, naming about 10.
Yet... Doing a list for the Xbox is somehow MY job to find the exclusives???

Anyways... No, I don't own an Xbox. But I have friends that do and even then they can't recommend anything decent.
Good job with that 8 year old playground argument mentality though.

And it's not "I own a playstation so the Xbox has no games" because literally and factually, as you have proven with your complete avoidance of the question 'XBOX HAS NO GAMES'
That's why NOBODY can write a list. That Xbox list of Games exists about as much as Atlantis does.

 

[FeiRR]

That's why NOBODY can write a list. That Xbox list of Games exists about as much as Atlantis does.

Come on, I've been to Atlantis at least twice. Indiana Jones and Assassin's Creed. Would recommend, good hotels.

 

[splattered]

Ori is first party.

Game produced by first party = first party game.

None the less, going by your own criteria, Sony outclasses them in both quality and output, like i said

Well like i said, i included Bloodborne and Spiderman the same as i would Ori if i'm going to make up an Xbox list - though i wouldn't consider any of them first party but maybe i'm wrong there. I think of those types of deals as "second party" because they aren't internally owned studios.

"Outclassing" them is completely subjective, not everyone considers a game you can beat in 8-12 hours and never have the desire to go back and play again as a system seller.

Maybe i am showing my age here? When i was younger we could rent consoles from video stores and a game or two... play them and beat them over the course of a week and then return everything the following weekend and never have the desire to go back and rent that game again even though it was fun.

That is essentially the current Playstation experience from their 1st party studios.

 

[JonnyMP3]

Come on, I've been to Atlantis at least twice. Indiana Jones and Assassin's Creed. Would recommend, good hotels.

 

[TrippleA345]

Where are the news of Geoff Keighley announced yesterday for today?

 

[Elog]

There isn’t a contention between the Xsex ray accelerator and the shader.

There is a contention between the TMU and the ray accelerator. The shader performs in parallel.

Cerny used the term intersection engine, MS used the term ray accelerator - the use both in the AMD patent. The only reason this is confusing is the different terms used to describe identical components.

You might of course be right that the PS5 use the bog standard RDNA2 RT solution. I just want to say that - I do not sit on primary knowledge about the new console. I am trying to look at tea leaves here.

As to the patent RT acceleration is a standard term with no specificity as to method. It is a term on a similar level as baking and cooking, i.e. it is a mathematical method to simulate rays in a virtual environment (any wave function that intersects with a geometry).

The AMD patent try to detail some things in one such method. So the fact that MS used the word RT acceleration does not mean anything unfortunately. Any hardware RT solution does exactly that. To what extent the XSX and the PS5 are the same or different is still unknown.

Indeed. But as we discover each new piece of information the GPU differences seem to fall away.

I think it’s more likely than not, that the geometry engine in both GPUs is identical. The companies may use different terms for its functions - but the functions are using identical silicon.

Once again you might of course be right. I will continue to believe that the GE of the PS5 is a customised variant with more functionality. Ultimately we should know once the tear down comes!