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Source?

 

[DaGwaphics]

You are giving a bad name to bugs


I am afraid the simple answer is quality control. Microsoft was prepared to ship it out in an awful state, but the backlash was just too high.

This should really worry you, they are prepared to release unfished, products, full of bugs and problems is a big no no for the future of their ecosystem.

The halo demo was a disaster, imagine the things we could not see, if that was the best of what they had to show, can you imagine the worst of it.

those new studios they bought, that's great and all, but they will be under extreme pressure. Postman Phil might come across all nice and dandy on videos, but behind the scenes that guy is a total prick, cutthroat. you do not get that high on the corporate ladder being Mr nice guy.

He is under extreme pressure to deliver, he wants results, he has time tables and schedules that need to be adhered to.

Games quality is going to take a massive backstep because of gamespass and the need to feed the monster.

those 90% scores from great studios like playground games are going to turn into 85%. mediocre studio are going to start pumping out even worse content.

I hate to say it, Microsoft is going to destroy gaming with their shitty approach.

why the hell could they just not take notes from sony, produce good quality games and the people will come.

It's like those people at the markets selling knock off DVDs back i the day. SIGH

Gamepass is the death of quality gaming.

Secret snapshot from GamePass's lair:

 

[FeiRR]

Imagine this popping up everytime you go through a portal?

Man, this was more than I hour if I remember well. I almost took up smoking.

 

[Rea]

The portal jumps could have been created on PS4 and had a slower transition because of mechanical drives but sped up immensely because of the PS5 SSD. Nothing about the game screams next gen.

Wow!! This guy is a AAA games developer, he knows how to make ps5 games to run on ps4.

 

[JonnyMP3]

 

[FeiRR]

That's how I feel while playing EA titles.

 

[sircaw]

Secret snapshot from GamePass's lair:

I don't want to be too negative about gamepass, i know a lot of people like it, it's just not for me.

I just hope Microsoft people can see my concerns, i am just trying to be super honest about it.

 

[Md Ray]

Off-topic, but whoa... PC using PS4 Pro's Performance Mode settings/resolution. Pro has very identical perf compared to GTX 970/3700X PC in Avengers.

Pro screenshot is from NX Gamer's analysis.

 

[geordiemp]

bwahahahaha I really thank you for your deep insight. and for the laughs

I can read without the big letters thanks, so whats your opinion then, we have

• No XSX games shown but halo, bad VRS, very poor popin hardware issues
• Very poor loading times (see pop in above)
• Server design with server class CPU, Hypervisor and abstract api, designed to run 4 games XB1 with 40 GB RAM dev kits, DX11 and DX12 abstraction.
• Velocity arcictecture in development, not seen in action yet

All coming in what, 2-3 months ? You can call it FUD, but all of the above is true from what we have seen or been showed by MS thus far and its almost September. To me it looks like MS have all eyes on servers and streaming, but you take on it what you will.

Its a speculation thread after all.

 

[JonnyMP3]

That's how I feel while playing EA titles.

I understand... *tries to wipe the Battlefield off my face*

 

[DaGwaphics]

Actually... Yes. Compared to Sony, MS 1st party sold peanuts comparatively.
Your logical basis is solely based on the Gran Tourismo franchise.
Sony have also invented a whole bunch of brand new franchises this generation instead of just milking its top marques like MS does. There's been Horizon, Days Gone, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne etc which is continuing to grow the library and IP portfolio as well as still making the sequels it has needed to make. Infamous got a sequel. TLOU got a sequel. God of War got a sequel.
And snails pace is bizarre considering it's not 2010 anymore. Sony's exclusive output has been 2-3 every single year.
I guess I found who's been living under a rock this past decade.

Obviously, with exclusives, if you have a great game that sells through to 10% of the user base, that's a bigger number on the system with the larger install base.

Very true that MS has milked franchises way too hard. That started with the 360 gen tbh. Nintendo's approach is the smartest, they are careful to only make sequels when they can add something to them, with most IPs only getting tapped once per generation.

 

[Mod of War]

I really like you fishy, and I think you are funny too, but these are like ...your opinions and I really dont agree with them.

because I like you, here's a list of the games that have been on game pass and have a 75 or better metacritic. as you'll see, its almost 400 games.

Spoiler

Game	Metacritic
Red Dead Redemption 2	97
Grand Theft Auto V	97
BioShock	96
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain	95
Gears of War	94
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion	94
Ninja Gaiden Black	94
STAR WARS: Knights of the Old Republic	94
Gears of War 2	93
Braid	93
Fallout 3	93
BioShock Infinite	93
Pac-Man Championship Edition DX	93
Final Fantasy VII	92
Demon's Tilt	92
What Remains of Edith Finch	92
Forza Horizon 4	92
Undertale	92
The Swapper	92
Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition	91
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt	91
Dead Cells	91
Mass Effect	91
Gears of War 3	91
FEZ	91
NieR Automata: Become as Gods Edition	90
Ori and the Will of the Wisps	90
Panzer Dragoon Orta	90
Hollow Knight: Voidheart Edition	90
Monster Hunter: World	90
Metal Gear Solid HD Edition: 2 & 3	90
Opus Magnum	90
Into the Breach	90
Bayonetta	90
NBA 2K17	90
Rise of Nations: Extended Edition	89
The Walking Dead: A Telltale Games Series	89
Fable II	89
Fable III	89
F1 2019	88
Halo 3	88
Kingdom Hearts HD I.5 + II.5 ReMix	88
Dishonored 2	88
Slay the Spire	88
Minecraft	88
Ori and the Blind Forest: Definitive Edition	88
Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice	88
Metro: Last Light Redux	88
The Banner Saga 3	88
Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus	88
Fallout 4	88
Guacamelee! Super Turbo Championship Edition	88
Joe Danger: Special Edition	88
BioShock 2	88
XCOM: Enemy Within	88
Europa Universalis IV	87
For The King	87
Rocket League	87
Devil May Cry 5	87
Unavowed	87
West of Loathing	87
DOOM	87
Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor - Game of the Year Edition	87
Spelunky	87
Kingdom: New Lands	87
CrossCode	86
Fractured Minds	86
Pillars of Eternity: Complete Edition	86
Killer Instinct: Definitive Edition	86
CrossCode	86
Thumper	86
Mortal Kombat X	86
DiRT 4	86
Rise of the Tomb Raider	86
Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition	86
Football Manager 2019	86
Pony Island	86
>observer_	86
Sky Force: Reloaded	86
DmC: Devil May Cry - Definitive Edition	86
Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty	86
DiRT Rally	86
Thronebreaker: The Witcher Tales	85
Final Fantasy IX	85
Machinarium	85
Yakuza 0	85
Infinifactory	85
Age of Wonders: Planetfall	85
The Outer Worlds	85
Enter the Gungeon	85
Batman: Arkham Knight	85
Guacamelee! 2	85
Hotline Miami	85
Outer Wilds	85
PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds	85
Halo: The Master Chief Collection	85
Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun	85
SteamWorld Dig 2	85
The Last Door: Season 2 - Collector's Edition	85
Valkyria Chronicles	85
Life is Strange	85
BattleBlock Theater	85
HITMAN	85
LIMBO	85
Resident Evil 7: Biohazard	85
SoulCalibur VI	84
Plebby Quest: The Crusades	84
Football Manager 2020	84
Reigns: Game of Thrones	84
FTL: Faster Than Light	84
Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition	84
Fallout: New Vegas	84
Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night	84
Rare Replay	84
Battle Chasers: Nightwar	84
Moonlighter	84
Frostpunk	84
Metro 2033 Redux	84
Gears of War 4	84
Halo 5: Guardians	84
Terraria	84
Viva Piñata	84
F1 2018	84
Everspace	84
The Banner Saga 2	84
Thimbleweed Park	84
Saints Row: The Third	84
Kingdom: Two Crowns	84
'Splosion Man	84
Stacking	84
Borderlands	84
SEGA Vintage Collection: Streets of Rage	84
Alan Wake	83
The Walking Dead: Season Two	83
Two Point Hospital	83
Final Fantasy XV	83
A Plague Tale: Innocence	83
Overcooked! 2	83
Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet Edition	83
Gears 5: Ultimate Edition	83
Ape Out	83
Age of Empires: Definitive Edition	83
Broforce	83
The Messenger	83
Cities: Skylines	83
theHunter: Call of the Wild	83
Yoku's Island Express	83
SUPERHOT	83
Prey	83
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided	83
ABZÛ	83
N+	83
Warhammer: Vermintide 2	83
Ms. Splosion Man	83
OlliOlli2: XL Edition	83
Tekken Tag Tournament 2	83
Yakuza Kiwami 2	82
Streets of Rogue	82
Kingdom Hearts HD II.8 Final Chapter Prologue	82
Endless Legend	82
Indivisible	82
eFootball PES 2020	82
Wandersong	82
DiRT Rally 2.0	82
The Gardens Between	82
Gears of War: Ultimate Edition	82
Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise	82
RiME	82
Blazing Chrome	82
Metro Exodus	82
Shadow of the Tomb Raider	82
Life is Strange: Before the Storm	82
Pro Evolution Soccer 2019	82
Split/Second	82
Joe Danger 2: The Movie	82
Defense Grid: The Awakening	82
Iron Brigade	82
Sonic CD	82
Mega Man 9	82
Resident Evil	82
Pro Evolution Soccer 2018	82
10 Second Ninja X	82
So Many Me	82
Streets of Rage 4	81
Gears Tactics	81
Ninja Gaiden II	81
Untitled Goose Game	81
Faeria	81
Remnant: From the Ashes	81
Subnautica	81
Stellaris	81
Downwell	81
Middle-earth: Shadow of War	81
Torment: Tides of Numenera	81
Wargroove	81
Tekken 7	81
Sniper Elite 4	81
Halo Wars: Definitive Edition	81
Perfect Dark Zero	81
Sunset Overdrive	81
Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons	81
RAGE	81
Toy Soldiers	81
Toy Soldiers: Cold War	81
Laser League	81
Injustice: Gods Among Us	81
Maldita Castilla EX: Cursed Castilla	81
Monaco: What's Yours is Mine	81
Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown	81
Endless Space 2: Deluxe Edition	80
Yakuza Kiwami	80
Alvastia Chronicles	80
Kingdom Hearts III	80
Death Squared	80
My Friend Pedro	80
The Red Strings Club	80
The Turing Test	80
Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden	80
Westerado: Double Barreled	80
NBA 2K20	80
The Jackbox Party Pack 3	80
Giana Sisters: Twisted Dreams - Director's Cut	80
Samorost 3	80
Full Metal Furies	80
Wolfenstein: The New Order	80
Battle Chef Brigade	80
Borderlands 2	80
Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel!	80
Kingsway	80
Operencia: The Stolen Sun	80
The Jackbox Party Pack 2	80
Tom Clancy's The Division	80
Thomas Was Alone	80
Darksiders: Warmastered Edition	80
Tyranny: Gold Edition	80
Shantae: Half-Genie Hero	80
Shadow Complex: Remastered	80
LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga	80
Mega Man Legacy Collection	80
Super Mega Baseball: Extra Innings	80
Super Time Force	80
Outlast	80
World of Van Helsing: Deathtrap	80
The Bug Butcher	80
Overcooked!	80
The Touryst	79
Observation	79
Gato Roboto	79
Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown	79
Halo: Combat Evolved - Anniversary	79
Lonely Mountains: Downhill	79
Perfect Dark	79
Wizard of Legend	79
Tacoma	79
Halo Wars 2	79
Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts	79
Gears of War: Judgment	79
Kameo: Elements of Power	79
Ashes Cricket	79
The Book of Unwritten Tales 2	79
LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes	79
Alien Hominid HD	79
CastleStorm	79
Monday Night Combat	79
Dead Rising 2	79
Shantae and the Pirate's Curse	79
Steredenn	79
Mega Man 10	79
Dead Rising 2: Case Zero	79
SoulCalibur	79
Dungeon of the Endless	79
Forager	78
BattleTech	78
Moving Out	78
The Surge 2	78
Bridge Constructor Portal	78
Alien: Isolation	78
Shadow Warrior 2	78
State of Decay 2: Juggernaut Edition	78
OXENFREE	78
Creature in the Well	78
Resident Evil: Revelations	78
Headlander	78
Ashen	78
MXGP3	78
GRID 2	78
Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition	78
Hue	78
A Kingdom for Keflings	78
Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3	78
Layers of Fear	78
OlliOlli	78
Dead Rising 3	78
This War of Mine: The Little Ones	78
Defense Grid 2	78
Darksiders Genesis	77
Neon Abyss	77
Battlefleet Gothic: Armada II	77
Children of Morta	77
Momodora: Reverie Under the Moonlight	77
Descenders	77
Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite	77
Quantum Break	77
The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited	77
Wasteland 2: Director's Cut	77
Banjo-Kazooie	77
Battlefleet Gothic: Armada	77
Stealth Inc 2: A Game of Clones	77
#IDARB	77
RUINER	77
Orwell: Keeping an Eye on You	77
Titan-Quest: Anniversary Edition	77
Batman: Arkham City	77
Batman: Arkham Asylum	77
LEGO City Undercover	77
LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures	77
Onrush	77
Garou: Mark of the Wolves	77
A World of Keflings	77
Portal Knights	77
Aven Colony	77
Lumo	77
Letter Quest: Grimm's Journey - Remastered	77
Electronic Super Joy	77
Sky Force: Anniversary	77
Final Fight: Double Impact	77
Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising	77
Double Kick Heroes	76
New Super Lucky's Tale	76
Carrion	76
The Long Dark	76
Journey to the Savage Planet	76
Pikuniku	76
Train Sim World 2020	76
The Escapists 2	76
Surviving Mars	76
Supermarket Shriek	76
The Stillness of the Wind	76
Old Man's Journey	76
The Lego Ninjago Movie Video Game	76
Imperator: Rome	76
The Banner Saga	76
Metal Slug 3	76
Resident Evil 4	76
Devil May Cry 4: Special Edition	76
D4: Dark Dreams Don't Die	76
JumpJet Rex	76
Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes	76
SoulCalibur II HD Online	76
Age of Booty	76
de Blob 2	76
LEGO Batman: The Videogame	76
Strider	76
Don't Starve: Giant Edition	75
Deliver Us the Moon	75
Lego Star Wars III: The Clone Wars	75
Worms W.M.D	75
Void Bastards	75
Life is Strange 2	75
Riptide GP: Renegade	75
Hydro Thunder: Hurricane	75
Black Desert	75
Bomber Crew	75
MX vs. ATV: Reflex	75
Shenmue	75
Shenmue II	75
Strange Brigade	75
Darksiders II: Deathinitive Edition	75
Resident Evil 5	75
The Maw	75
Resident Evil: Revelations 2	75
Sam & Max: Beyond Time and Space	75

you can stomp your fins on that goldfish jar of yours for as long as you like, but you will convince absolutely no-one that has game pass that it is a bad deal or the death of anything ;]


just use the search function if you like. your proof is there.
BUT it takes a functional brain to understand.
many people seem to not have it, therefore I find the repetitions a waste of time.

Knock off the petty antagonism please, I’m getting sick of posting in here.

Next step are thread bans and site bans, then people will run to the ban thread and complain- yet you only have yourself to blame.

Thank you, and happy posting.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Like i said... games have always released at a snails pace on PS

Son, repeating this doesn't make it true. Sony has outclassed MS in both quality and output this gen.

 

[AeneaGames]

It's a great educational program, but some still see it as a game due to game starvation. It's great for what it's meant to, train and educate amateur pilots.

Come on now Bo, it's a game, PERIOD. That it's not your cup of tea doesn't mean it's not a game, it is.

Definition of a game :
an activity that one engages in for amusement or fun.

 

[FeiRR]

Come on now Bo, it's a game, PERIOD. That it's not your cup of tea doesn't mean it's not a game, it is.

Definition of a game :
an activity that one engages in for amusement or fun.

So this is also a game...

 

[geordiemp]

Knock off the petty antagonism please, I’m getting sick of posting in here.

Next step are thread bans and site bans, then people will run to the ban thread and complain- yet you only have yourself to blame.

Thank you, and happy posting.

Obligatory GOW GIF



Ok, I am off to watch cricket.

 

[Demon2blades]

And you don't think MS 1st party titles also sell millions? What? Like i said... games have always released at a snails pace on PS and there haven't been any major sequels within the current gen. That's a huge factor in why they AS MUCH as they do. If we had three GT titles this gen the sales numbers would have thinned and evened out amongst them like we see on Xbox games. Sony and MS just had a different approach to releasing games. Sony want absolute quality system sellers even if the game takes 4 years to come out. They have been feeding that funnel longer than MS so they can afford the extra dev time. Microsoft want good games to come out more frequently to keep their fanbase engaged with new things to play so they have shorter dev cycles but MS lost focus on games early on this gen which had to be fixed halfway through so they are behind in that aspect. They have made HUGE investments in the last couple years which will vastly improve their situation but it takes time.

I really think this next gen we will see both companies more meet in the middle on quality vs quantity as subscription services become more important to both Sony and MS.



No all is not well, Halo Infinite is a dumpster fire at the moment. You will get no argument from me about that. That comes down more to shitty game direction though. But that being said i definitely wouldn't say that this is a proper showcase of what the system can produce. They are just behind Sony because their next gen plans are further out than Sony's were. Which is what i keep saying. 2019 vs 2020.

Xbox first party won't sell millions because of gamepass that's my guess plus I don't think we've ever had 3 GT titles in a single gen it ain't Forza and if it's a fully fledged GT title it will absolutely sell millions of copies .

 

[JonnyMP3]

Come on now Bo, it's a game, PERIOD. That it's not your cup of tea doesn't mean it's not a game, it is.

Definition of a game :
an activity that one engages in for amusement or fun.

So... Torture is just game for sadists?
Got it!

 

[hemo memo]

It's probably just Blessing and Greg with more hot (bad) PS takes. That's all it seems to be nowadays unfortunately lol.

They already got the August price/pre-order wrong they are speculating as anyone in this thread.

 

[splattered]

I don't want to be too negative about gamepass, i know a lot of people like it, it's just not for me.

I just hope Microsoft people can see my concerns, i am just trying to be super honest about it.

I completely agree with your concerns... it is up to both Sony and MS to fill their services with games that people WANT to play though. If either of them try to start stuffing it with low quality content they are going to lose subscribers very quickly. I think that's why MS releases most of their 1st party content day and date and Sony will have to follow suit soon if they want to compete with their own Service. Hopefully it makes BOTH Sony and MS see loud and clear that they have to keep up the quality if they want to keep up the numbers.

 

[sircaw]

if I was microsoft, I would have shown a multiplayer firefight between those pro teams they have inside their game development loop, and offer it as a download at 120fps mode

ps. go take a look at the spoiler tag I edited in my previous reply to you. maybe you will not be worried any more.

I am not talking about multiplat games, i am talking about the future of xbox studios, with their quality control.

 

[JonnyMP3]

Thank you, and happy posting.

 

[sircaw]

Knock off the petty antagonism please, I’m getting sick of posting in here.

Next step are thread bans and site bans, then people will run to the ban thread and complain- yet you only have yourself to blame.

Thank you, and happy posting.

so god damn Alpha.



........hides

 

[Tripolygon]

1 and 2 are CERNY's words, not mine, I provided timestamped links just to make those guys that wanted, to understand.
it seems you didnt.
the rest of your points, not so much. try again if you want

They most certainly are not. They are your lack of understanding and ill attempt at mischaracterizing in your ignorance what you think Mark Cerny said.

1 & 2 and then some

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

You will just walk into your local Gamestop and just see the PS5 on the shelf. Honestly seems that way at the moment.

www.neogaf.com

Microsoft Xbox Series X's AMD Architecture Deep Dive at Hot Chips 2020

It's called a "boost" ( you noticing simbol ") but it should not be compared with PC because it works differently. You got that now? yes, I know. its not a boost. its a chef cerny magical boost, therefore it defies logic. Oh fuck not this bullshit again. It was impossible to produce a system...

www.neogaf.com

Microsoft Xbox Series X's AMD Architecture Deep Dive at Hot Chips 2020

How trustworthy is Matt when it comes to hardware? From what I remember he used to know some people at Microsoft. But is he an expert in hardware or is he just accepted as such, because of his mod status at REeeee?

www.neogaf.com

Microsoft Xbox Series X's AMD Architecture Deep Dive at Hot Chips 2020

dude, its the same gpu/cpu combo. only ps5 has less so its like one car on the racetrack revs up to factory rev limit, while the other, similar car with the smaller engine, went to the neighborhood tuner and put the rev limit 4.050rpm higher because it wants to compete with the car that has 44%...

www.neogaf.com

You have been going on and on about variable clocks for a while now. It is hard to miss it. If you want i can try and explain to you what it means since you don't seem to understand. Here's a hint, literally everyone who makes processors for consumer facing devices applies a variable clock strategy. From, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Samsung, Qualcomm, MediaTek, Apple, Huawei etc. Even Nintendo uses a semi soft variable clock state strategy. If you really don't understand this shit and need someone to explain it, say so.

 

[Apollo Helios]

Does anyone have screenshots of this Twitter spat?

Unfortunately I haven't thought to screen grab that interaction personally. Others might've though.

Damn if I was on the receiving end of this, I would be on suicide watch already.

I know, right? Yet Xbox fans seem to lap it up!

BURN

Son, repeating this doesn't make it true. Sony has outclassed MS in both quality and output this gen.

It is not even open for discussion for people living in reality, they seem to live on another plane though if that is even open to discussion for them.

 

[HawarMiran]

So this is also a game...

 

[Apollo Helios]

DC Fandom in 1 hour, what are your expectations? Suicide Squad already leaked. I wonder if Batman GaaS leak is real?

 

[XO_o]

 

[Apollo Helios]

Ready at Dawn??? gtfo is the most appropriate response I think.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Off-topic, but whoa... PC using PS4 Pro's Performance Mode settings/resolution. Pro has very identical perf compared to GTX 970/3700X PC in Avengers.

Pro screenshot is from NX Gamer's analysis.

Need to turn down the settings on the right, a LOT more detail over there.

 

[sircaw]

Mod of War has left me in charge. Time to pay the ferryman Biaches.



Be cool Hunny bunny be cool, no problem, everything is under control.

anyone know where this quote is from, correct guess and you win a free xbox from Bo_Hazem

 

[MasterCornholio]

Just when you think your safe.....

Here's Krato's!!!!

 

[sircaw]

Just when you think your safe.....

Here's Krato's!!!!

should of been Craigs head through the door.

 

[DaGwaphics]

We just need more news. A major news drop fixes everything in here for at least 15min. Come on Soony!!!!

 

[lepermessiah]

There'd be far less antagonism if we all just got juicy and naked.

 

[DaGwaphics]

should of been Craigs head through the door.

Poor woman couldn't take it, I wouldn't wish that on her.

 

[DaGwaphics]

There'd be far less antagonism if we all just got juicy and naked.

Certainly would reduce viewer counts, probably save the site owners a good chunk of change.

 

[JonnyMP3]

There'd be far less antagonism if we all just got juicy and naked.

I said this to my exes all the time.

 

[Handy Fake]

Ready at Dawn??? gtfo is the most appropriate response I think.

More than likely.

Tell you what though, a next gen sequel to The Order with a fully fleshed out game would be something to behold.

 

[splattered]

Son, repeating this doesn't make it true. Sony has outclassed MS in both quality and output this gen.

Oh yeah?

Here, i'll let you hand pick all the 85-90+ metacritic first/second party bangers released each year that are absolute must have system sellers going back to 2013...

2013 - Hmmm

2014 - Welp, maybe next year!

2015 - Oh, it's picking up! Journey and Bloodborne!

2016 - Shit, what happened.. Wait, we got Uncharted 4, yay!

2017 - Now we're talking! Horizon Zero Dawn! What else? Hmm Gran Turismo Sport! Wait. A 75? High class quality right there!

2018 - God of War and Spiderman! And VR has entered the chat... what else?

2019 - Wait, did we go back in time to 2013?

2020 - TLoU2 and Tsushima! Both amazing first/2nd party exclusives.... anything else slated for 2020? No?

No go back and do the same thing with Xbox... welp, obviously not a lot of titles climb into the 90 territory but they are generally a very solid 85+ and release more frequently giving Xbox fans more to play along the way. Also more Xbox titles are MP focused giving the actual game better legs as far as replayability.

Like i said, Sony and MS have had a very different approach to game releases this gen but Sony have hardly "outclassed" MS in their releases.

 

[zaitsu]

Oh yeah?

Here, i'll let you hand pick all the 85-90+ metacritic first/second party bangers released each year that are absolute must have system sellers going back to 2013...

2013 - Hmmm

2014 - Welp, maybe next year!

2015 - Oh, it's picking up! Journey and Bloodborne!

2016 - Shit, what happened.. Wait, we got Uncharted 4, yay!

2017 - Now we're talking! Horizon Zero Dawn! What else? Hmm Gran Turismo Sport! Wait. A 75? High class quality right there!

2018 - God of War and Spiderman! And VR has entered the chat... what else?

2019 - Wait, did we go back in time to 2013?

2020 - TLoU2 and Tsushima! Both amazing first/2nd party exclusives.... anything else slated for 2020? No?

No go back and do the same thing with Xbox... welp, obviously not a lot of titles climb into the 90 territory but they are generally a very solid 85+ and release more frequently giving Xbox fans more to play along the way. Also more Xbox titles are MP focused giving the actual game better legs as far as replayability.

Like i said, Sony and MS have had a very different approach to game releases this gen but Sony have hardly "outclassed" MS in their releases.

You want something for xbox ?
2013 - meh nothing really
2014 - meh nothing really
2015 - meh nothing really
2016 - meh nothing really
2017 - meh nothing really
2018 - meh nothing really
2019 - meh nothing really
2020 - meh nothing really
2021 - meh nothing really

I've played multiplatform on XOX but common, there were ZERO, NULL strong titles from Xbox this gen xD

 

[3liteDragon]

I dont think that making your fans dumb and stupid with your misleading PR push is very smart in the long run for a company.
but hey, that's just my opinion

 

[splattered]

You want something for xbox ?
2013 - meh nothing really
2013 - meh nothing really
2013 - meh nothing really
2013 - meh nothing really
2013 - meh nothing really
2013 - meh nothing really

Hey craig, that isn't fair... i at least called out the good PS4 games even if i wasn't personally a fan of some of them.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Oh yeah?

Here, i'll let you hand pick all the 85-90+ metacritic first/second party bangers released each year that are absolute must have system sellers going back to 2013...

2013 - Hmmm

2014 - Welp, maybe next year!

2015 - Oh, it's picking up! Journey and Bloodborne!

2016 - Shit, what happened.. Wait, we got Uncharted 4, yay!

2017 - Now we're talking! Horizon Zero Dawn! What else? Hmm Gran Turismo Sport! Wait. A 75? High class quality right there!

2018 - God of War and Spiderman! And VR has entered the chat... what else?

2019 - Wait, did we go back in time to 2013?

2020 - TLoU2 and Tsushima! Both amazing first/2nd party exclusives.... anything else slated for 2020? No?

No go back and do the same thing with Xbox... welp, obviously not a lot of titles climb into the 90 territory but they are generally a very solid 85+ and release more frequently giving Xbox fans more to play along the way. Also more Xbox titles are MP focused giving the actual game better legs as far as replayability.

Like i said, Sony and MS have had a very different approach to game releases this gen but Sony have hardly "outclassed" MS in their releases.

Lmao

You have to go by metacritic in order to arbitertly remove their games, and you still manage to miss some out.

Funny thing is that flawed list alone disproves your nonsense about having to wait every 3 years for Somy to drop some titles

At least you tried though.

 

[JonnyMP3]

Oh yeah?

Here, i'll let you hand pick all the 85-90+ metacritic first/second party bangers released each year that are absolute must have system sellers going back to 2013...

2013 - Hmmm

2014 - Welp, maybe next year!

2015 - Oh, it's picking up! Journey and Bloodborne!

2016 - Shit, what happened.. Wait, we got Uncharted 4, yay!

2017 - Now we're talking! Horizon Zero Dawn! What else? Hmm Gran Turismo Sport! Wait. A 75? High class quality right there!

2018 - God of War and Spiderman! And VR has entered the chat... what else?

2019 - Wait, did we go back in time to 2013?

2020 - TLoU2 and Tsushima! Both amazing first/2nd party exclusives.... anything else slated for 2020? No?

No go back and do the same thing with Xbox... welp, obviously not a lot of titles climb into the 90 territory but they are generally a very solid 85+ and release more frequently giving Xbox fans more to play along the way. Also more Xbox titles are MP focused giving the actual game better legs as far as replayability.

Like i said, Sony and MS have had a very different approach to game releases this gen but Sony have hardly "outclassed" MS in their releases.

You left out Ratchet and Clank 2016

 

[zaitsu]

Hey craig, that isn't fair... i at least called out the good PS4 games even if i wasn't personally a fan of some of them.

I've only enjoyed Quantum Break ,and everything else was just pure shit.

 

[CrysisFreak]

No i don't want the system to fail at all, i'm going by several people i know in real life that buy Playstation systems and then buy a madden, or Fifa, or COD but then that's all they really buy and play at all. First party titles sell through immensely because they trickle out at a very slow pace and it's a small handful of amazing games that are the very reason to own a Playstation in the first place. But that being said "Look at how many copies GT sold!" Well how many GT titles came out on PS4 the last 7 years? Oh... well that explains that. If PS games saw more sequels through the generation the sales numbers would thin out more like they do on Xbox.

Some super popular stuff like GTA and Witcher sell very well also but everything else? Not really more than their Xbox counterparts... people aren't lining up at gaming shops to buy up all the copies of the weird half ass indie niche titles that the Playstation library is flooded with. Sony die hards laugh at stuff like Bleeding Edge or Battletoads but don't want to include similar Sony titles like the Medieval remake in the conversation. Both systems have their fair share of games they took a gamble on that didn't turn out as well as they hoped. No biggie.



Good pipeline? Uhh you do realize we're talking about Sony, right? Their big major titles drop once every 3+ years. 2 years if we're super lucky. Delivering two high quality titles the last year of this generation more comes down to extra long development cycles combined with an all hands on deck effort to try and sell as many PS4 systems as they can right before next gen in hopes that all those people will soon go right back out and buy a PS5.

Ratchet is a next-gen showcase. Why? Because you can quickly jump through portals between worlds? Because there is a little bit of raytracing shown? What else? The portal jumps could have been created on PS4 and had a slower transition because of mechanical drives but sped up immensely because of the PS5 SSD. Nothing about the game screams next gen. Demon's Souls is next-gen? Really? How so? You don't think that could be done 100% on PS4? C'mon man. GT? Also looks like a pretty PS4 game with some light RT thrown in. Spiderman and HZD2 look good but we've only seen 99% cut scenes so far. One recent still picture of Spiderman that looked good but it obviously wasn't a gameplay screenshot.

Nothing that PS5 or XSX have shown so far have been a huge leap over what is currently available, it will take a few years before we really start being amazed by all the new tech and power.

Lmao Ratchet and Clank on PS4 would have 40 second transitions instead of a 1 second transition. That would be absolute ass.
Also if you can't see how the PS5 titles have a far higher polygon count and also higher shader complexity that's on you.
Ray tracing is a central next-gen feature too, you can't just say "it's just RT thrown in lmao". It has everything thrown in and no single feature should be discarded because armchair devs like doubters itc believe those features have a smaller implementation effort.
Fact is PS5 delivers the next-gen jump people want, they can't wait for it, it's gonna sell out in an hour, and we'll have the time of our lives, even if thousands scream "it's just ps4 games lmao"

 

[XO_o]

 

[SaucyJack]

Xbox first party won't sell millions because of gamepass that's my guess plus I don't think we've ever had 3 GT titles in a single gen it ain't Forza and if it's a fully fledged GT title it will absolutely sell millions of copies .

There’s not even a comparison between the two. GT is a behemoth and sells, on average, about 10 million units per iteration - and that’s despite the blunder of GT6 (5 million) launching for PS3 after PS4 came out. Total across the series is circa 72 million from GT1-6 plus GT Sport.

Has the entire Forza Motorsport plus Horizon series even reached 20 million? On the basis of them reaching $1 billion in lifetime sales after F7 I would suggest that they’re probably approaching that sort of number from their 12 games.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

I am not talking about multiplat games, i am talking about the future of xbox studios, with their quality control.

I am not going to reply any further in here, this is not the "next gen analysis and specualtion" thread,
this is just the real "thunderdome console wars" thread. the other one is a decoy