MasterCornholio
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I understand those had slower I/Os un them but I wouldn't he surprised if the GPU and CPU were slower as well. Afterall they did managed to increase the clockspeed from the GitHub leaks.
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I understand those had slower I/Os un them but I wouldn't he surprised if the GPU and CPU were slower as well. Afterall they did managed to increase the clockspeed from the GitHub leaks.
BatSu
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We have received a confirmation on the upcoming GeForce RTX 30 lineup. RTX 30 series: it is all about the memory According to our sources, NVIDIA is set to launch three SKUs in September: RTX 3090 24GB, RTX 3080 10GB and RTX 3070 8GB. We have learned that board partners are also preparing a...videocardz.com
Fucking hell, 350W for the GPU alone. Lol. Even the 3080 is 320W!
Thirty7ven
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I mean this is so clearly bullshit it’s hard to believe you’re trying to run with it.
Let's start with the obvious, PC emulating XSX features like VRS and Ray tracing. Those aren't Xbox features, they are also PC features..... so that's dead right there.
Regarding XVA? I can believe that, it makes sense. You have to jump through so many hoops to reach the figures stated by MS that it will be hard to "master", and considering its so much software dependent, it will obviously have a lot of bugs along the way.
Halo Infinite is also.... you guessed it... a PC game. So trying to associate XSX devkit problems with a PC game is honestly, once again, so clearly bullshit that it's hard to believe you're trying to run with it.
MasterCornholio
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existensmaximum
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Dipping down into 9.5TF area..? Maybe I'm missing something here, but that would imply there's some kind of terraflop-meter..?
Like, it's just a measurement for theoretical float calculation performance, I find it very hard to believe most developers know exactly where it's at anyway? Unless they program a benchmarking tool themselves..
I dunno. Maybe this was a joke that flew over my head, or maybe I'm just stupid.
Insane Metal
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More like almost twice PS5 power draw. It'll be closer to 200W.
spartan30gr
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Downgrade my assMore 4K screenshots I made:
See the extremely detailed shadows from the tail hair
The lighting gives a realistic flavor to a cartoony game
This could pass as a CGI movie
This is a pixar movie in real time gameplay
Yeah, I was tired this morning and I think it's just the way its worded. MS can't stop publishers charging for a next gen upgrade though.
Thirty7ven
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You're not stupid at all. It's fanboy fan fiction.
BadBreathOfTheWild
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Cerny said during road to PS5 all devs have to do is "indicate the data you'd like to read from original uncompressed file and where youd like to put it and the whole process of loading is done invisibly to you and at very high speed."
So PS5 literally has the hardware do the work, its ingenious.
Seems MS has to figure out how to use all this complicated system and code to even try and get anywhere near half as fast.
Sony smashed it in this department.
Edit to add thatBadBreathOfTheWild says in earlier post the io on xbox is not all that complicated, but its clearly not as simple as Sonys. So it all doesn't make much sense, but if not that then what is stopping then showing stuff on sx hardware.....
Cerny’s point that to leverage all these features the developers don’t need to do anything special. It’s not special esoteric hardware that only the well funded first-party studios can leverage.
Microsoft’s IO will be just as simple to leverage from a developer point of view. Microsoft doing more of their IO pipeline in software doesn’t mean the developers have to do that. It will be something the Xbox API does behind the scenes for the developer, just not as efficiently as PS5.
About the only thing I can imagine as being more tricky on Xbox is how much your file IO work loads up the main CPU being used by the game—PS5 has separate processors to handle IO. But DirectStorage API is supposed to reduce the amount of time the CPU is tied up.
But there’s no such thing as a free lunch. Less CPU usage without hardware offloading means it’s making a compromise somewhere. Maybe queuing up requests and dispatching them as a single instruction to reduce CPU overhead at the expense of some latency etc.
Not saying that is the compromise being made, but you don’t get something from nothing.
Sony have eliminated traditional filesystem IO and its metadata bottlenecks and felt the need to still offload to a dedicated IO processor.
From the point of view of a developer I’d say the file IO is just as easy to use on Xbox as on PlayStation. The software being done by Xbox to improve efficiency will all be Microsoft code buried in the API the developers use.
HawarMiran
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I also heard whispers. Oh sorry it was just someone farting.
Thirty7ven
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They need SFS to reach the stated figures and therefore don't developers need to implement it at engine level? Don't know if it's as simply as flipping a switch.
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Neo Blaster
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Here in Brazil we have this expression, 'a ficha caiu'(the token has fallen), meaning when someone finally realizes what's truly happening in some context. I cannot better express all these tweets from Xbox main advocates.
existensmaximum
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Eh yeah, I would imagine developers being interested in fps performance of their game, and possibly the CPU/GPU frequency perhaps. But "terraflop performance" per game Ehh.. It just doesn't make any sense
Thirty7ven
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Eh yeah, I would imagine developers being interested in fps performance of their game, and possibly the CPU/GPU frequency perhaps. But "terraflop performance" per game Ehh.. It just doesn't make any sense
Teraflops aren't used in game development. Marketing weaponized the term, but that's about it.
So when a rumor like that comes out, it's 100% bullshit.
kyliethicc
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PS4 Pro is 310 W.
One X is 245 W.
Series X is 315 W.
PS5 will be around 350 W, I bet.
PS3 fat was almost 400 W.
These are the total power supply figures btw, not necessarily what they draw during use.
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ThaMonkeyClaw
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I would be willing to bet that dev kit had a much slower CPU/GPU in it as well!
LucidFlux
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You're not stupid. There is no real time TF meter in profiler tools, nor would it serve any benefit to a developer as a metric. To quote my last post "It's things like power usage, clock speed, memory transfers, cpu/gpu occupancy on a ms by ms timescale, basically work done per frame to see where bottlenecks are and at what points of a frame each piece of hardware is taxed, etc."
THE:MILKMAN
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Those are the PSU ratings. Actual use will be lower. Far lower usually in Sony's case but the new variable clocks might change things here. Both PS5 and XSX will be in the 200-250W range max. XSS ~100-120W. IMO.
Lysandros
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Added volumetrics, improved RT reflections on Clank and smoother rift transitions, that's all i can see.
IntentionalPun
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Sony would likely have profiling tools that do give them the clock speeds.Eh yeah, I would imagine developers being interested in fps performance of their game, and possibly the CPU/GPU frequency perhaps. But "terraflop performance" per game Ehh.. It just doesn't make any sense
From that it's a simple calculation based on the number of CUs to get to TFs, which are always just a theoretical number based on a calculation and not a real measure of the actual calculations being made (as that would require CU utilization numbers).
(not saying the rumor is valid, almost all rumors here are complete BS lol)
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lepermessiah
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Hey honey, are my theoretical pecks showing?
Ahhh. We're almost there Tommy. Almost there
Jesus... Has it really been 9+ months of stalking this thread? This drip feed of info/details release game of chicken is appalling. I hope it never gets repeated.
kyliethicc
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yeah I know, sorry if that wasn't clear. I know they don't usually draw max power during use. I was saying that its wild if the 3090 will draw more power than the entire PS5 or Series X PSU.
Insane Metal
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Nope. Those are PSU ratings, the actual power draw is much less than that. Launch PS3 was ~190W.
ToadMan
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Those numbers (for Xsex in particular but all
of them seem Off) aren’t accurate power draws. I don’t know where you got them from but wherever it was isn’t reliable or you’re misinterpreting what those numbers mean.
They might PSU ratings - that’s not the same as power draw and the power draw is usually specified in relation to the Thermal Design Power - the amount of power draw and heat the system cooling can dissipate in normal usage.
The TDP for Xsex will be somewhere 110W to 150W range. But as of yet no one knows because when MS were asked at Hotchips what their TDP was they wouldn’t give an answer.
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Yeah this 100% I was skeptical when he said devs are struggling to hit “X” and “Y” number of teraflops, someone could correct me but I’m sure devs don’t even measure the game and it’s performance in such metrics, it’s almost laughable.
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sircaw
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Its bugging me and i don't mean like bugsnaxs.
Microsoft must have something in the pipeline, the showing so far from them has been abysmal, this can't be it.
all these years and this is how they intend to launch, this just can't be it. There has to be some games or something they have in reserve. If this is indeed it, this is a clusterfuck of biblical proportions.
No big first-party games for two years, why even fucking bother releasing a console soon. this can not be how you run a gaming division surely. You have allowed Sony to walk all over you, while you just spun pr stuff.
COVID virus was terrible, but it did not affect the last 5 years of development, wtf have these people been doing otherwise.
companies like Microsoft have plans for the future, they just don't get up in the morning and decide hey we are doing this for the next couple of months, this new console must be many many years in the planning. How has this got to this point?
Either the people at Microsoft gaming are bloody idiots or they have an ace or two up their sleeve.
I just can not believe a multi-billionaire company can be so useless or inept.
Microsoft must have something in the pipeline, the showing so far from them has been abysmal, this can't be it.
all these years and this is how they intend to launch, this just can't be it. There has to be some games or something they have in reserve. If this is indeed it, this is a clusterfuck of biblical proportions.
No big first-party games for two years, why even fucking bother releasing a console soon. this can not be how you run a gaming division surely. You have allowed Sony to walk all over you, while you just spun pr stuff.
COVID virus was terrible, but it did not affect the last 5 years of development, wtf have these people been doing otherwise.
companies like Microsoft have plans for the future, they just don't get up in the morning and decide hey we are doing this for the next couple of months, this new console must be many many years in the planning. How has this got to this point?
Either the people at Microsoft gaming are bloody idiots or they have an ace or two up their sleeve.
I just can not believe a multi-billionaire company can be so useless or inept.
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Grinchy
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Makes me wonder what the resolution drops to in order to get 60fps. Also what effects are pulled back, if any.
Empire Strikes Back
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Insomniac, Japan Studio, Bluepoint and Polyphony are making this a new 1st party standard, aren't they? JFC, eye candy and framerates, thank God we have studios that care about next-gen.
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Neo Blaster
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I agree with you regarding the COD digital version, but physical for Sony you have the PS4 version and the PS5 one, simple like that. It's MS the one making a mess with their physical release.
THE:MILKMAN
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Right but comparing actual consumption with a PSU rating is very unfair. I mean the current 20 series top end cards will probably pull more watts 'at the wall' than the next consoles will! The 30 series being even more power hungry is not surprising.
Imtjnotu
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I'd say it could be just a temporal reconstruction from 1440p
Gamerguy84
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They are taking a beating on public perception right now. They wouldn't do that if they had the cards to play.
For months Phil was spinning PR web and doing a good job. Ironically this bit them in the ass because this wouldnt be as bad for them if he didnt talk so much.
ATM they dont have anything. Thats not to say they wont in the future.
Lysandros
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I remarked he likes every comment that somewhat criticize the game on technical basis.
kyliethicc
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This is great news. According to Insomniac Ratchet is 4K @ 30 Hz or "lower resolution at 60 Hz."
So maybe 1440p for the 60 Hz option?
Hope this gif helps
Gross! The second one's waay to pink-colored.
Thirty7ven
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It's bringing one of the best things about PC to the console format. Being able to choose between 30 and 60 FPS is truly a great thing and should be a standard because enough people do care about it.
Hopefully Gyro is next on the "soon to be a standard option" list.
kyliethicc
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GT7 is confirmed 60 Hz minimum. Maybe a 120 Hz option.
ToadMan
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If you look at the TDP of PS and Xbox consoles over time, the TDP has reduced. I don’t think either Sony or MS will put a piece of consumer electronics out there with a power draw over 200W.
It’s also why they’re so keen on RDNA2 - the power efficiency should mean they can hit good performance with ~50% less power draw compared to RDNA1 which was itself 50% less power vs GCN.
kyliethicc
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Or just regular 1440p. Plenty for most people who high frame rate.
kyliethicc
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How is it unfair? Its a way of showing just how much more power hungry those GPUs are. I'm using the absolute max power a console could draw versus typical draw of the card. Its like I'm being nice to the RTX cards, grading on a curve, and yet they still draw more.
It's not a scientific comparison, I was just making fun of the 3090 a bit. No worries.
IntentionalPun
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- They cancelled a major Fable project in 2018,that quite possibly was a planned next-gen title
- They likely expected Halo Infinite to be amazing and ready by launch
- It's also quite possible they thought Turn 10 could have something ready
Beyond that, they went on a studio buying spree in 2018.. their studios CLEARLY have failed them, and we have no clue if anything they bought or put together in the last 2 years will come to fruition.. they certainly aren't whipping out next gen games in 2 years.
It's likely not "to plan".. hell we KNOW it's not "to plan".. but it's all completely realistic that MS has nothing else in the pipeline to fix this, and they apparently didn't want to go on a big 3rd party spending spree.. they likely spent some bucks on GamePass is the rumor, that's what they have to announce.
Sony on the other hand has far more trustworthy studios, but they are also on easy mode right now.. I mean come on... we have the internet going wild over Ratchet and Clank.. if MS was actually competing what Sony has shown, other than how solid things like graphics look, would not be so amazing. People are just happy they look like they'll easily beat MS at launch, since syztem warz.... otherwise, don't you think Ratchet and Clank would actually be a top selling game in the past? lol
kyliethicc
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Then closed them in 2 years.
Red rock bounces light. Ever been to the grand canyon or places like that with lots of sun and reddish rocks? The second one looks much more real to my eye.
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Nickolaidas
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BUH, BUH BUH, BUH PS5 CAN'T HANDLE NATIVE 4K AND 1440 AT 60 FPS BUH BUH BUH!!!
Or they simply don't care, because game pass game pass game pass. All the cheap fu - EH I MEAN, COOL KIDS are doing it.
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