vpance
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That's what I mean. They waited until not much can change for either company to reveal their real devkits. I guess MS is just being overly cautious after last time.
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That's what I mean. They waited until not much can change for either company to reveal their real devkits. I guess MS is just being overly cautious after last time.
TeamGhobad
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HeisenbergFX4
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Phil - "Nobodys asking for VR" so they are not making.
Also Phil - Here take XCloud and this low powered next gen console.
Who asked for these?
Also Phil - Here take XCloud and this low powered next gen console.
Who asked for these?
Lone Wolf
Member
I don’t like The idea of 2 consoles at launch, but if they do it, both will blow past VR sales. It’s really not comparable.
FranXico
Member
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I know why they are doing it was just poking Phil.
Just several Devs are on record as saying they dont even want this low powered console when designing games for next gen.
Racer!
Member
LOL it will mess it all up for Microsoft, thats what it will do.
VR wouldnt do that.
sonomamashine
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It's not a low powered console since it will perform at the same perf in 1080p.
Racer!
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Until Sony with some exclusive PS5 games aims for 1080-1440 with CBR to 4K....gonna make Microsoft look like a generation behind. They would REALLY have to gimp Lockhart.
My guess is Sony gonna put some really specialized hardware in this time around. The SSD/storage i/o is probably just the start. Would f*** up Microsofts plan to be compatible everywhere. PC`s Consoles etc.
Being compatible means sacrifising flexibility and its going to bite them hard.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
When we are hearing Scarlett and PS5 are over 10 TFs and Lockhart is 4 ish that is a low powered console in my book.
All I care about is when I buy a true next gen game it better not be held back because Lockhart can only do (insert whatever) to force parody and make sure no one gets left behind.
FranXico
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I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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There not, not that much in Europe, not at all in Japan. Well, at least it's very clear MS is going to put all the focus in the USA market. And it really makes sense based on what happened with the One.
It makes from the very start all things even more simple for devs and consumers : USA XBOX + PS5. The rest of the world : PS5.
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magnumpy
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might as well drop this in here.
www.gamesradar.com
The 10 best PSVR games to get lost in
The best PSVR games for your Sony headset, from Beat Saber to Superhot
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol. haha. I guess MS investors and Phil's bosses tired of being last and tired of him giving away games for a dollar asked for it.
you have to look at this from his perspective. his job is on the line. Rumors suggest that the PS5 is somehow more powerful than his Anaconda console. Cerny beat him at his own game. He had no choice but to bring back the lockhart as a hail marry attempt. Sure it comes at the expense of first party MS exclusives and maybe even 3rd party multiplats but who cares about games when your job is on the line.
nowhat
Member
What did you expect, on Windows Phone?
Fake
Member
Windows 10.
nowhat
Member
It'll come, for sure. But if (as of now, at least) the output resolution is capped at 720p, I don't blame MS for not wanting the PCMR to tear the beta into shreds.
THE:MILKMAN
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Brad suggests here they (AMD/Microsoft) will use a single chip/APU for Lockhart and Anaconda? Not likely, surely?
diffusionx
Gold Member
It’s not his game though. His game is to push GamePass subs. He’s not going to keep his job or get promoted based on having the most powerful hardware. It’s all about if he can transition Xbox to a service business like all of MS is transitioning to. The whole point of Xbox Scarlett is to get people signed up to GamePass.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
a $300 console will help him sell more gamepass subs.
Negotiator
Member
Maybe Lockhart could have half the GPU disabled due to defects, so let's say they could use the scraps for a cheap console.
Gamernyc78
Banned
His game isn't as static as you make it seem. His job is to bring as much profit as possible no matter how thy do it and to make the business grow so investors can be happy even if thts by selling more consoles, more subs, etc. It's not just a one paradigm shift, it never is in business.
FranXico
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I think that goes against industry standards, I doubt they would do something like that.
THE:MILKMAN
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No way would there be ~75% of the CUs defective in even a worse case yields scenario. Also be a very expensive chip for a ~$300 Lockhart. More likely they'll be two APUs with Lockhart's used in xCloud servers and much later (1-2 years) they switch to the Anaconda APU at 5/3nm.
nowhat
Member
You're right, of course.
But what really grinds my gears if when people take Spencer as something other than a figurehead. He's a PR person (and good at it, granted). But then Cerny actually designs hardware and writes software. Marble fucking Madness, you younguns having no idea.
sonomamashine
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Might have something like 5500 XT Navi 14 GPU with 8GB GDDR6 which is planty for 1080p gaming, this card is branded as a 1080p gaming card.
AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT Features Navi 14 GPU With 1408 Cores, Up To 8 GB GDDR6 Memory - Custom Models Listed Along With 3DMark Benchmarks
The AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT graphics card launches next month but as previous reports had suggested, it won't be utilizing the full Navi 14 GPU.
wccftech.com
ThaMonkeyClaw
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Haha, loved Marble Madness back in the day...until I roll the trackball too hard and fall off the damn side!
TeamGhobad
Banned
ofcourse they will, u think it will have a dedicated gpu!? thats crazy.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Yes he definitely is a pr figure head with alot more ppl involved pulling the strings and voting on what to do. Cerny definitely is entrenched more in the gaming aspects like hardware,VR, etc.
I'll tell you one thing though this rivalry is like at 10000000000 plus and has me thoroughly excited to see what both bring even though I don't plan on getting an Xbox or if I do not day one. This shit is good for consumers and these back and forth even on these forums is building the hype at least for me.
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ResilientBanana
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Mobile devices are a worst case scenario in terms of connection. It makes sense.
THE:MILKMAN
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Wait, what!? I didn't say that at all. I'm saying they won't make a single large (~380mm2?) APU and then deactivate 75% of the GPU and lower the CPU clock to put in a budget console.
More likely there will be two separate APUs. Lockhart around say 200/230mm2 and Anaconda ~380mm2. The Lockhart APU could get economy of scale through using it in the xCloud servers for streaming and the Anaconda could be the new X sold at a premium in lower numbers.
Mass Shift
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Gamers did. Consumers did.
"I don't care about 4K, I just want to game. Give me 1080p and 30fps and good games"
"Don't force a peripheral that I didn't even ask for on me"
"I'm not paying over $399 for anything"
I hate Xbox, I'll NEVER own one. They don't have games anyway, but (and here is where this argument ALWAYS spins on it's head) I'll just buy all their exclusives on PC"
"This is going to be MS' last console anyway. They're getting out of the hardware business. This has been their plan since the very beginning. So with XCloud and Gamepass I don't ever need to invest in any console from them now "
"I want 4K and the highest frames and image quality possible. I'm not afraid of a higher prices console if it means I get a premium experience with my games "
"If I can play all Xbox games on whatever device I want, what do I need an Xbox for?"
"I see so many people having fun with games like Fortnite. I'd really like to try my hand at gaming but these game prices and hardware costs are more than I would like to invest"
" Xbox not having VR is a real deal breaker for me MS, never going to buy your console now! "
Phil Spencer: Xbox gamers aren't asking me for this (and they're really not), but there's always PlayStation if you have to have VR.
It seems that for nearly every situation MS has an option for you, even one that leads away from their hardware and ecosystem.
Tqaulity
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No, for Lockhart to not limit the next gen games, the CPU and RAM setup have to be identical to the Scarlet. In other words, the scaling of the visuals (resolution, details etc) is perfectly doable if the only hardware variable is the GPU (i.e. PS4 to PS4 pro). But if you only have 8GB of RAM in Lockhart and 24GB of RAM in Scarlett, a developer making a game that has to run on both will in fact be limited by the 8GB of RAM. Assets, geometry, world size, texture resolution etc will have to fit within the 8GB envelope meaning that it won't be taking advantage of the scale and level of detail possible with 24GB for example.Might have something like 5500 XT Navi 14 GPU with 8GB GDDR6 which is planty for 1080p gaming, this card is branded as a 1080p gaming card.
AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT Features Navi 14 GPU With 1408 Cores, Up To 8 GB GDDR6 Memory - Custom Models Listed Along With 3DMark Benchmarks
The AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT graphics card launches next month but as previous reports had suggested, it won't be utilizing the full Navi 14 GPU.
TBiddy
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My guess is you don't know much about hardware in consoles. Both the PS5 and Scarlett will be "really specialized hardware" and have hardware-solutions not found in the PC world. Just like consoles always have had. I've no idea what you mean with the latter part about Microsoft being "compatible everywhere", but to be extremely frank - I'm not sure you have any idea either. It's not like you can just take an Xbox game and run it on a PC. Never has been the case and won't be the case in Scarlett either.
There's no "biting" here.
vpance
Member
Half the CPU and like 2/3 the RAM of Scarlett is my guess. But maybe it'll have a cut down OS that doesn't reserve as much memory.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Unless they hire Ken Kutaragi back, you aren't getting any really specialized hardware in there. I think Sony learned their lesson on going full-on Mad Scientist in terms of tech with PS3.
Compared to Kutaragi, Cerny's always been the type who tries innovating with what's affordable and fairly mature. They're not out here trying to create whole new processing architectures.
I do miss the highly custom, exotic architecture days of old, but the industry's too big and consumer tech as a whole too wholly integrated in order to keep taking that route any longer.
Negotiator
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What you're saying makes sense, but only if they started designing a Lockhart SKU long time ago.
If it's a recent change of heart (as the media portray it at least), then using Scarlett scraps might be a desperate possibility if you will.
Fake
Member
Speak for yourself.
bitbydeath
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Jim Ryan on the DualShock 5.
twinfinite.net
PS5 Haptic Controller and Graphics Will Greatly Evolve the Gaming Experience According to Jim Ryan
PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan feels that the haptic tech included in the PS5 controller combined with the graphics will greatly evolve the gameplay experience.
twinfinite.net
Mass Shift
Member
Lockhart is
if Lockhart is MS' hailmary pass against Sony then they're in trouble. Lockhart facilitates a gap for new users and casuals, especially here in North America. There are a lot of non serious players here.
Lockhart isn't about Sony. If It is then MS would have missed their own strategy.
Mass Shift
Member
All we have to do is look at the discussions right here.
I do think some of it certainly a bit of option overkill. Lol. But ultimately good if you fall into any of these complex categories where you value some things over other things.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Lockhart is what?
Racer!
Member
Forza Motorsport, Forza Horizon, Gears of War, Halo, Sea of Thieves etc etc can be played on PC, so theres that.
They have said themselves they want to be "on every device."
Hell, their slogan is Xbox play anywhere
TLZ
Banned
What are you talking about? Not all of us are on/check ree.
FranXico
Member
What did he just say then?
H
Just an observation. He is full of shit in general, I am 100% he knows shit.
HeisenbergFX4
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This is what Devs have said to DF concerning a lower powered console.
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