Insane Metal
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I know that, but AMD's TFs usually render less performance than nvidia's that's all. That might change with RDNA2, who knows! At least I hope so, but........
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HAL-01
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News will come when they're ready. As much as you like to think they're antagonizing you, they're not withholding information specifically to piss you off. Perhaps chill out and live your day instead fuming over videogames
Wraith Phantom
Member
Look at this goofy dumb fuck. I never liked any of these youtuber frauds.Just looking to monetize off Sony to boost their channels. Most these fuckers dont even play games. Just another PC smuck jumping into console wars because it was popular. Who the fuck are you or anyone to be entitled to a companys IP's. Don't see you going around asking IP of other electronic companys.You are not even owed any of the hardware info you are not a Sony engineer.You buy the box to play games. All these other shit is irrelevant. What a joke. I said it before all these frauds want more info just to boost their channel. We are here to play games.What a goofy clown.
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Mister Knister
Neo Member
Hi. Been lurking around in this thread for a while. Sorry if this was already discussed. Does anyone know if PS4 games being shipped with free PS5 upgrades will install the upgrade without asking automatically once the disc is put in a PS5? Reason I am asking is because afaik the PS5 does only support the old PS4 controller when PS4 games are played. So I wonder what happens in this scenario: I plan to buy a game like Sackboy Big adventures for my PS4. This game says it does includes the upgrade to PS5 version. Does that mean that once I use the game on a PS5, and the upgraded version is being installed automatically, I cannot use my old PS4 controllers anymore? This would be bad, as the game does support coop (up to 4 players I believe). And this would mean I would need to buy some additional Dual Sense Controllers to continue playing coop on PS5. Also, are there any differences to the "native" PS5 version?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
While I wouldn't word it quite the same I too am not a fan of his
BlueXImpulse
Banned
Ampere has rather deceiving TF figures, with Ampere NVIDIA is counting each streaming multiprocessor as containing 128 FP32 cores, which makes it look like a much bigger leap over Turing. These cards should be similar in performance.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
i do. thats why im asking what mode we are seeing here.
is this the performance mode or the fidelity mode?
BlueXImpulse
Banned
Performance mode. Someone on B3D said he counted pixels equivalent to 1440p.
PaintTinJr
Member
And yet, if it shares the same constant boost design as the PS5 GPU, it to will be designed to become more effective when code is optimised for lower power draw per compute, as the boosting or additional work will eat up that saved power - which would be getting the AMD GPU closer to utilising its theoretical performance than the nvidia design.
AMD Navi 21, 22 and 23 Massive Technical Specifications Leak - Flagship Navi 21 GPU To Have 80 CUs
Technical specifications of AMD's upcoming Navi 21, 22 and 23 GPUs have leaked out via reddit user stblr (via Videocardz). This is an absolute motherlode of a leak that the user has managed to put together with what appears to be painstaking accuracy. The information was reverse-engineered from...wccftech.com
NAVI 21 would be 22.5 TFs. Pretty decent, but far from the 29.8 TF of the 3080. If priced correctly AMD might have a damn good product, but once again, unable to compete for the high end.
Edit: we still have no idea how exactly AMD cards will run RT so probably performance there will take a bigger hit than with Nvidia. Also, nothing close to DLSS unless they announce something.
That question makes no sense mate.
What do they stand to gain? Let's see.
Better messaging, at a time when people traditionally have a chance to switch teams, or just call it quits and not move forward. It's not the time to be out here looking either clueless, or greedy. Both are just as bad as each other.
I have friends that are waiting to make a move, but they want to know info first. One's a creative/social sharing type. Knowing the dashboard, the sharing/social apps situation, the speed of then menus, how the create button works, SharePlay 2.0, if sharefactory has received a makeover, all this info, if available earlier, he would have been right there preordering too. Due to poor communication, he's not. Due to cross gen games, price hikes on games, bad news, he's got even less reason to come to the next gen table than he did two weeks ago.
If even one BC game sells on the PStore (that's taking the worst case scenario that only way to do it is to resell them, not publicly enable the PS2/PSP emulator that works on hacked PS4's, or god-willing the discs work on PS5 as per our own resident super sleuth's findings), that's one more sale than right now. You're not telling me that people don't want Resident Evil 2 sat next to RE2Make, for example. There's money to be made, and goodwill to be garnered. But instead (upto this point) Jim Ryan's been openly antagonistic towards BC.
Lack of info, coupled with bad or confusing info when some does slip out, breeds customer worry, disappointment and anger. Today's consumer
might not become tomorrow's customer if they hear enough unpleasant crap, and Jim out here shooting PS in the foot every week.
And Neil? TLOU1/REMASTERED was the Goat. "look man, they supported PS3 in its dying months. MP out the ass, still going strong 7 years later. Story/characters you'll love. PS mascots". What can you say about TLOU2? "well, the gameplay is still good. Story/Pacing is off. characters ruined. We're all sat waiting and hoping this MP game is actually gonna materialise. Oh, it looks good too". You can't even point to TLOU2 as a standard bearer, and that's supposed to be a Slam fucking dunk. TLOU2, for many TLOU1 fans, is our Halo: Craig moment.
Neo Blaster
Member
It defies logic the most expensive version is outselling the cheaper, unless the average customer knows it's a bad deal.
kyliethicc
Member
wow lol
I still don't understand the logic of the cheapo S Box. Like.. Would you buy a cheapo TV, knowing it's worse, or would you pay abit more for some sense of quality assurance?
BattleScar
Member
Preorders are for enthusiasts.
The Series S will likely take off during Christmas, even if its a pretty bad deal next to the Digital PS5.
MasterCornholio
Member
I don't think your average customer knows that. Plus I don't think your average customer is going to preorder a system.
With that said we have to wait and see how the XSS fairs with the average people.
Unless it gets really bad word of mouth for some reason. But it should do well in my opinion if not than it's a disaster for Microsoft.
The biggest thing that can hurt it is lacking a disk drive. Same thing goes for the PS5 DE.
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kyliethicc
Member
If the footage is 60 Hz on youtube then its the performance mode.
DaGwaphics
Member
Nvidia has been underselling their TF count consistently over the last few series, it makes the direct comparisons difficult. Some of the cards run 200mhz over boost clock almost all the time.
sircaw
Banned
Agree i personally prefer Dealer, Eastwood and crap gamer, I like reliable, objective and good common sense people, that's why i choose them.
MastaKiiLA
Member
How many more units could they sell? None.
How much will anyone care once supply catches up to demand? Not very much.
I don't think the complaints are actually grounded in reality. Enthusiasts constitute an insignificant segment of the userbase, and have proven that they'll buy the system anyway. Hell, the XSX is selling with no games shown. You really think a tech breakdown means anything for success of the console? This doesn't jive with the sales reality.
Your friends are anomalies, and largely irrelevant.
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Dave_at_Home
Member
Which is a very smart move by BluePoint. Show off what the game looks like first in performance mode. Prove to everyone that performance mode looks and runs amazing at 60, than casually show off standard mode at 30 with all the visuals to the max. Leave them wanting more rather than having people speculate how much of a "downgrade" performance mode would be.
Must have been the game Kleegamefan sawLast night I dreamed of a new MediEvil game running on UE and using Nanite.
I think it's the first time something like this happens to me lololol
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I don't buy this reasoning about pre-ordering, especially with Covid added on top now. At least in the UK. I doubt it'll even be possible to shop in store outside groceries at most places with the way things are going come November 10th.
Also I remember the ultra casuals (trying) to pre-order Wii weeks/months before launch and failing. I'm guessing casuals with lots of disposable income pre-order iPhones/pads every year too? Or other tech/gadgets that get hyped.
I still suspect there are too many caveats around Series S that make it a hard sell to the market it is aimed at outside the US at least.
MasterCornholio
Member
It's not like Bluepoint has alot of competition on next gen systems. So even performance mode is going to look alot better than some of the games that we've seen. I don't see why they should be afraid to show it.
Love the sarcasm, but obligatory video incoming.
Bo knows Minecraft.
Edit: sorry, had wrong commercial! Correct now.
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TLZ
Banned
This gets better by the day
lmao at the ending.
The Mad Draklor
Member
If anything, the biggest concern about Big Navi would be the VRAM bandwidth as it's rumored that it will use GDDR6 on a 256-bit bus. It is said that it may be mitigated by having 128MB of cache.
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Three Jackdaws
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We have to take into account the NDA's Sony is under from AMD. It makes a lot of sense, if the leaks/rumours are true about PS5's heavily customised APU as well as featuring customisations from AMD's future roadmap, AMD would want Sony to keep quiet until AMD themselves have revealed a deep technical breakdown of their RDNA 2 architecture. This would also explain why Microsoft were holding back on information in their Series X Hotchips conference. Only time will tell.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
this is no longer true with rdna 1.0 and turing tflops. The 2070 is 9.1 tflops at average game clocks and the 5700 xt is 9.3 tflops at average game clocks. Both offer nearly identical performance.
Nvidia is no longer undereporting their tflops numbers. But their tflops are not offering 1:1 performance anymore. 2080 is 11 tflops but the 3080 is 30 tflops and offers only 2x more performance. Adding more shader cores is clearly not giving linear performance increases.
MasterCornholio
Member
There's that rumor floating around that some customizations in the PS5 might be used in RDNA3. If true then I can understand why AMD wants to keep that a secret.
Classicrockfan
Banned
Have they showed any xbox series x footage of assassins creed or watchdogs legion ,wondering what system to buy them on ?
Neo Blaster
Member
Yep, looks like there's no such thing as cheap arse enthusiasts. They prefer to pay for premium.
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TLZ
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I think people still want to be able to use discs, even if they're buying digital games. Possibly a lot still do physical while they mostly buy digital even.
kyliethicc
Member
Well I think the trailer from June is the 30 Hz mode, while the newer gameplay and footage in the second trailer is the 60 Hz mode.
So I think we have seen both so far.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
sircaw
Banned
All they said was 4k 60 on both machines that's for ass creed no idea the rest, i imagine they will be the same.
Classicrockfan
Banned
Ah ok cool thanks.
sircaw
Banned
farmerboy
Member
Really? I think he comes across as a fairly genuine tech guy who just wants to discuss interesting stuff. He certainly doesn't fan the flames.
I think he's getting impatient as he feels (knows?) that the PS5 has some really interesting tech to share and he wants to talk about it.
Yes you do. Its probably that freaky asian stuff with squids and stuff. You cheeky boy.
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If Standard mode is Native 4K 30 and performance mode is 1440 60 doesn’t that mean they’ll both essentially look identical. Same bells and whistles etc.
sircaw
Banned
Nothing like a squid G-string.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
AMD Navi 21, 22 and 23 Massive Technical Specifications Leak - Flagship Navi 21 GPU To Have 80 CUs
Technical specifications of AMD's upcoming Navi 21, 22 and 23 GPUs have leaked out via reddit user stblr (via Videocardz). This is an absolute motherlode of a leak that the user has managed to put together with what appears to be painstaking accuracy. The information was reverse-engineered from...
NAVI 21 would be 22.5 TFs. Pretty decent, but far from the 29.8 TF of the 3080. If priced correctly AMD might have a damn good product, but once again, unable to compete for the high end.
No dude you cannot compare tflops at the best of times, and especially not use it to judge RDNA2 vs Ampere. Navi 21 could be 10% below or god forbid 10% above the 30tf 3080, so that doesn't mean much at all.
For example, the 2080 Ti is 13tflops, whereas the 3070, about the same speed if a little slower, is 20tflops.
TheFarter
Banned
They have really seemed to rattle your cage at some point in the past. An odd thing to me to let random youtube people do that.Agree i personally prefer Dealer, Eastwood and crap gamer, I like reliable, objective and good common sense people, that's why i choose them.
sircaw
Banned
they affect and poison hundreds of thousands of consumers with lies, half-truths and fud.
I don't like them.
Take a breath man. You're the one setting your self up for disappointment. You expected it without any reason to. It would have been cool, i agree , there is no reason to shit the bed because we didn't get info WE thought might come.
Stooky
Member
Theres 1000s you tubers of talking about games. Most of them have no idea how these systems work. I like hearing about tech specs on new systems from some one that knows what they are talking about. Every youtube channel is about the clicks.
BattleScar
Member
There are undoubtedly caveats to owning a Series S.
That undoubtedly plays into the lack of preorders. Heck you could even attribute the general weakness of the Xbox brand globally to the weaker preorder showing of the Series X and Series S. The lack of a disk drive is an obvious problem in my view that would have made the Series S a one-stop-shop home-entertainment devicel; allowing a cheap entry point for Blu-rays, GamePass and Netflix to millions - such an odd omission.
BUT. We're all talking on a very niche enthusiast gamers' forum. A forum that dates back to the Gaming Age Forum of yore in the early days of the internet. We are enthusiasts. People endlessly debate console wars, strategy, hardware (despite too many people not understanding how TeraFLOPS work) and so on and so forth. The value proposition of each strategy and initiative one of the big players takes. Talks of quality of games, debates around politics in games. We are in the thick of it all.
Most people looking to spend a couple hundred bucks on their son/daughter/nephew/niece's christmas present simply do not give a flying shit about any of what we talk about. They see low price, they buy. They know their target gift-receiver mentioned they wanted an Xbox or PlayStation, and they go out and get one. Plenty will default to the cheapest one on show, which is where the Series S will do well.
Complications can arise when store clerks and sales staff direct people away from certain SKU's in favour of actually better products. Sometimes that'll stick, sometimes not. Time will tell
BUT again. All of these conversations will happen when the product is out. We are still over a month from these consoles actually being in stores and on shelves for people (if we're actually allowed to go into stores) to look at and buy. Pre-orders are for us enthusiasts and scalpers. There are millions of us around the world to be sure. But there are tens - if not hundreds of millions out there who don't care as much as we do. So that silent majority - the people who really decide upon the success of a console, are yet to make their mark.
We'll see what happens once the has dust settled by January 2021.
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Axonometri
Member
Ah MAN! I was really hoping an extremely Sexy Blonde 3090 was going to pop in at the end.
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Mahavastu
Member
Funny calculation, but thats not how the world works
As a beginning please read the message from slimySnake:
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Dave_at_Home
Member
I guess so. I mean, I didn't notice a difference. Still probably won't see it for myself until next year at this rate.
Maybe. I'm not sure if BluePoint has said what the two modes differ in exactly.
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