tmlDan
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Did you just make the assumption that xbox games won't increase in price?
that's a bad take, we haven't seen the retail price for any of the games you're waiting for.
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that's a bad take, we haven't seen the retail price for any of the games you're waiting for.
MastaKiiLA
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I don't think they're conspiracies. I'm relatively new to DF, and subbed their channel because I find their technical analysis interesting. I can pick and choose what I care to believe from it, but the content is good IMO.
However, I think their critics have justification for feeling their system of choice is unfairly treated, as there are legitimate inconsistencies in the videos. PS reveal videos got wacky zoom, and speculation on framerates. The showcase demo of the MS show didn't get that same level of detail. We can all agree the game looked disappointing, but you don't need DF to tell you that. The zoom and framerate talk was expected to the same degree as the PS show, even if it meant picking apart a turd. That stink isn't supposed to be DF's concern, they'd merely be consistent in quality of analysis.
Similarly, there were no mentions of what made FF16 look so underwhelming, along the same lines as Halo. FF clearly suffers from poor lighting, among other missing effects, but while Halo got an entire video dedicated to pointing out how the poor lighting impacted the overall visuals, FF received no such treatment.
In the Hitman2 analysis, the worst portion of the benchmark shifted from the easy-to-read frame counter to a percentage based readout, which could be inferred as masking how bad the framerate truly was for an extended portion of that scene. IIRC, that section was also sped up, making the duration of those framerate drops seem less.
These aren't conspiracies so much as these are notable inconsistencies in presentation. I mentioned how trusted review/analyst sites make a point of creating standards when generating their content, as to provide comparable results, and to avoid the impression of bias. DF isn't some upstart review site trying to gain its footing, and establish its reputation. They've been around long enough to know better, and these are grown men who should be open to constructive criticism in order to allow themselves to improve. They don't seem to be heeding any of the feedback, which isn't helping to improve their standing with their critics. They might not care to do so, and that's their prerogative. However, I don't think you can write off criticism of their methods as just conspiracies, because I think that diminishes the claims of bias, that DF themselves have opened themselves up to with their continued sloppy approach to graphics analysis. It is what it is.
Laptop or Surface, IMO. Though I admit I have no idea why a laptop would be shown separate from a PC. Maybe because it's a mobile PC?
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We saw the retail price of the games at launch. Same price as always. There was a topic here on NeoGAF with price comparisons.
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Vae_Victis
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I think it's just an arbitrary industry standard, since most TVs are capped a 60 Hz and that's what you can shoot for to get the most out of it.While checking out Resolution Standards.
I saw where Sony got the resolutions 1440p and 1800p with the PS4 Pro.
But I also saw 50fps as a standards.
Why aren't games caped at 50fps for more stable frame rate?
I mean games run at any frame rate when unlock.
So maybe 1800p/50fps could be a thing?
Back in the day (mainly in the PS1 and PS2 era) several games released in PAL regions were actually capped at 50 fps (and then also had an option for 60 fps), since the standard PAL TV signal uses 25-50 Hz instead of 30-60 of NTSC.
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thebigmanjosh
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Obviously any Pro enhanced game or games with unlocked frame rate/resolution should be equipped to scale nicely with PS5, but I think we’ll see a handful of first party games locked to OG PS4 spec. I’m also curious to see how BC titles run on PS5 vs XSX and how much (if at all) the Xbox API overhead impacts performance gains.
I’m holding off on playing/replaying a handful of games for when PS5 launches since I skipped the Pro: Ghosts of Tsushima, Bloodborne round 5, Last of Us Part 2 Part 2, and Jedi Fallen Order.
Vae_Victis
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sandkiller
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Rea
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Nope, demon souls has identical or close graphics as UE5. They are both using very high counts polygon assets. UE5 might looks abit better than DS due to lumen and 8k assets.
Rea
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I really feel uncomfortable when phill and their xbox marketing says "you are the center of gaming" its so cringy.
IntentionalPun
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Yeah I'm in the same boat. My backlog for PS4 is pretty big, and I'm in no hurry.. so waiting on a few games to see how BC works.
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Three Jackdaws
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I'm curious to see if and how the "game pass" narrative shifts in 1-2 years when Microsoft actually have some triple A exclusives to show.
Vae_Victis
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They are not exactly the same, they are just very very similar. The current-gen versions have "Xbox One" written at the top, the Xbox Series X versions only have "Xbox" in the middle and to the right the Series X logo.
Xbox One:
Xbox Series X:
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tmlDan
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None of the games you listed are at launch, if you're talking about other publishers then yes. But Xbox first party studios don't have retail prices associated with them. The only reason Halo might have the standard price is because it is launching without RT included and its kind of a make good for the delay when it was supposed to be a launch game.
I'd be surprised if they stay the same as this gen but that would be more than welcome, it'll make them cheaper to buy on PC too.
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I have Game Pass. I don't separately have to buy first party studio games of Microsoft. And 1 year of Game Pass is cheaper than 2 first party exclusive games of PS5 (at launch). Besides the more powerful system, the XSX is also the more budget friendly system.
ThisIsMyDog
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FunkMiller
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Birdo
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They are not exactly the same, they are just very very similar. The current-gen versions have "Xbox One" written at the top, the Xbox Series X versions only have "Xbox" in the middle and to the right the Series X logo.
Xbox One:
Xbox Series X:
Ah, thanks. I hadn't seen those. They should have been a little more different.
Would have been cool to see enhanced XBO games get their own SX boxes, like they did with some 360 games on XBO:
thebigmanjosh
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It won’t change much if at all. If anything, I think you may see some games like Crossfire X where some parts of the game are gated behind a paywall.
MS are basically betting that Game Pass/Ultimate will generate more revenue in the long term than what Gold, game pass, and digital games (not DLC/MTX) have generated individually, and that revenue will need to be made up somewhere.
pasterpl
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Xbox Game Pass Ultimate on console gets EA Play 10th Nov
Xbox Game Pass Ultimate gets EA Play on Xbox consoles on 10th November, Microsoft has announced.That's the same day the…
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SSfox
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I have no idea how you can say this doesn't match up to the UE demo.
this game is gonna be so SEX OMMAGADD!!!
This actually looks incredible. Can't wait to see the fidelity mode in action.
Rea
Member
Source? Or using your eyes?
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
There's also:
- They hope to add users that actually weren't spending $120 / $180 a year before (buying 2 or 3 games on average).. so for these users even just signing up represents an overall platform revenue increase
- Third party games expire on the platform and have to be bought to continue playing, get someone hooked and they'll buy
- Exposing users to such a wide variety of games might get them into genres they weren't before, and they might buy other games
- Having a monthly fee tied to your service encourages you to use that platform over others, and just in general giving them access to so much content does the same
It's not all "making up for lost revenue" as it's flawed to state that every Gamepass user represents less revenue than they were generating before.
Rea
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Coz he's using his green glasses,I have no idea how you can say this doesn't match up to the UE demo.
Nowcry
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You know that the Global Illumination that exists for years uses RT for the calculation only that instead of doing it with the dedicated hardware the shaders / CPU are used and if you had the same calculation power you would obtain the same result.
I say it so that you stop saying nonsensical things and it seems that you do not know what you are talking about.
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DocRay
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Probably like DISNEY+ , put your new games behind a paywall, not full price, but not "free" , like Mulan you know...
Nickolaidas
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I have no idea how you can say this doesn't match up to the UE demo.
It'S jUsT a Ps3 pOrT
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Three Jackdaws
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We really need to stop making comparisons to the UE5 demo, the core technologies like Lumen and Nanite sure but the actual gameplay demo then no. Even such technologies are deep in development and won't become widespread for another year or two.
The visual style of the game as well as the artists visions are unique to every game. This art style will change drastically from RPG to closed world games and multiplayer games. The UE5 demo chose a very dry/dessert/rock environment, a good way to show off high polygon assets and high resolution textures but also because real-time dynamic/bounce lighting is easier to achieve and is less taxing on the GPU when there are environments with little to no foliage. This same art-style may work for a game like Uncharted but then again I'm curious to see how well UE5 will render foliage heavy environments which Uncharted game like, but back to my point this type of art style just won't work with games like Demon Souls.
sircaw
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Gamernyc78
AGAIN,
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Nikana
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jose4gg
SatansReverence
THE:MILKMAN
xacto
IbelieveInGenerations
FranXico
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Wanted dead or alive ( it don't matter just get him)
Mod of War
There can only be one. its looking good.
Fish rule
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Bo_Hazem
TheGreatWhiteShark
@Bryank76
@agnositc2020
V Voost Kain
Gamernyc78
AGAIN, New targets Acquired
EviLore
Nikana
@Dan_of_Rivia
jose4gg
SatansReverence
THE:MILKMAN
xacto
IbelieveInGenerations
FranXico
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Wanted dead or alive ( it don't matter just get him)
Mod of War
There can only be one. its looking good.
Fish rule
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Three Jackdaws
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Haha is there a reason I've been lumped into this group? I'm genuinely curious.Targets eliminated
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@agnositc2020
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@Dan_of_Rivia
D digital foundry
Wanted dead or alive ( it don't matter just get him)
There can only be one. its looking good.
Fish rule
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VargasPaPuM
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Halo infinity map is way bigger a lot of more triangles to process
sircaw
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YOUR GOING DOWN.
Bladed Thesis
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Wait, Bryank got banned too? Dang. What is going on?Targets eliminated
@Bryank76
@agnositc2020
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@Dan_of_Rivia
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Wanted dead or alive ( it don't matter just get him)
There can only be one. its looking good.
Fish rule
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
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@agnositc2020
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@Dan_of_Rivia
D digital foundry
Wanted dead or alive ( it don't matter just get him)
There can only be one. its looking good.
Fish rule
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MrS
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My OLED is readyI have no idea how you can say this doesn't match up to the UE demo.
PropellerEar
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Looked at Wikipedia and what you say seems to be correct.
My memory is doing tricks on me. Must have been Tekken1 then.
Getting old.
Bladed Thesis
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Slam, smash, and boost your way to fame in Destruction AllStars, coming to PS5
Wreak havoc on foot and behind the wheel in this over-the-top car competition.
blog.playstation.com
Because Sony saw the market for Bleeding Edge was huge.
Edit: $70 plus looks like a GAAS with heavy MTX.
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It looks great, but it is not on the same level as the UE demo. The scene is much less complex and a real gameI have no idea how you can say this doesn't match up to the UE demo.
View distance is much smaller and also the darkness hide some of the "weaknesses" vs the UE demo. After all, the UE demo is just a tech demo and no real game.
But It looks really great.
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Three Jackdaws
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sircaw
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aye, a bit strange that one, but i don't know, maybe he ruffled some feathers, he needs to be nicer and more loving and more diplomatic like me.
ANOTHER ONE BITS THE DUST, WOOHOO.
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FunkMiller
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@agnositc2020
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Wanted dead or alive ( it don't matter just get him)
There can only be one. its looking good.
Fish rule
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List reads like the rundown of bosses from an obscure jrpg from the 90s.
SatansReverance has an awful AOE attack, and Nikana’s second phase is a bastard.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Seems the fun is over. Mods are clamping down on rampant fanboyism.
This will elevate the level of discussion, but it will also make it a lot more boring. I predict fewer funny posts, takedowns, and just an overall gestapo feel where you are constantly walking on eggshells. Basically era.
Let's hope that we are at least allowed to make fun of Sony, microsoft and Nintendo without fear of getting banned.
BlueXImpulse
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Slam, smash, and boost your way to fame in Destruction AllStars, coming to PS5
Wreak havoc on foot and behind the wheel in this over-the-top car competition.
Because Sony saw the market for Bleeding Edge was huge.
Edit: $70 plus looks like a GAAS with heavy MTX.
Nice but
Sony this game is coming out in just over a month!
I have no idea how you can say this doesn't match up to the UE demo.
This looks amazing, but it doesn't match up to the UE5 demo. Have another look at the Demo. Only thing I've seen matching that is Hellblade 2, and we don't even know how representative that is of gameplay.
pasterpl
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Xbox Game Pass Ultimate Members Get EA Play on November 10 - Xbox Wire
Just six weeks from today, we continue our journey with the launch of Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S. Jumping into the next generation of gaming with you – the player – at the center, we are working with creators around the globe to empower everyone to play the games they want, with the […]
news.xbox.com
bold bit suggested that it is not coming to other platforms
sircaw
Banned
Slam, smash, and boost your way to fame in Destruction AllStars, coming to PS5
Wreak havoc on foot and behind the wheel in this over-the-top car competition.
Because Sony saw the market for Bleeding Edge was huge.
Edit: $70 plus looks like a GAAS with heavy MTX.
I personally feel this game should be free, let those mtx pay for it.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Slam, smash, and boost your way to fame in Destruction AllStars, coming to PS5
Wreak havoc on foot and behind the wheel in this over-the-top car competition.
Because Sony saw the market for Bleeding Edge was huge.
Edit: $70 plus looks like a GAAS with heavy MTX.
This looks like the PowerStar Golf of the PS5.
FunkMiller
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Yes it does. The visual fidelity is as high. The LOD is as high. Feel free to provide direct comparisons if you like, but they’re on a par IMO. This is next gen. The only real next gen we’ve seen.
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