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Munki
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xool
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Just to state the obvious - the new Navi RX5700 die is single silicon - no HBM there .. since HBM needs a different memory controller it's likely that AMD is with GDDR6 for gaming CPUs (and by extension PS5 and Snek)
[edit] GDDR6 confirmed https://www.amd.com/en/press-releas...ion-leadership-products-computex-2019-keynote
[edit] GDDR6 confirmed https://www.amd.com/en/press-releas...ion-leadership-products-computex-2019-keynote
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ethomaz
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In semi-custom you can choose to use any memory controller you want... even m ore than one (GDDR6 and DDR4 for example).
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Gamernyc78
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Yeah smiling and alluding to big things to come was same thing they did for Ps4/Xbox one prior to its unveil. This is par the course and really doesn't say much.
SonGoku
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Yeah im thinking that's the route Sony is likely to go MS might go for a 64CU chip to claim the performance crown
Not without increasing SEs
Suggestions?
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Fake
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No raytracing just for ps5/nextbox and not for pc gpu? 3rd Ryzen info, Navi using RDNA and not GCN as some leakers told us. I dunno.
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Munki
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I think one of the more interesting things that they shared was that both AMD and Microsoft started planning the next generation Ryzen family together 2 years ago. It was pretty apparent during this segment and throughout the the presentation that AMD and MS are pretty tight, so much so that Lisa even stated that they "Recognized MS as the most important partner for AMD".
joe_zazen
Member
All of this shows that AMD worked on different tech with Sony and MS. Each console is going to have its own customizations.
Special sauce for everyone, just like Lisa promised.
Anyone remember how much money Sony dumped into IBM codeveloping ps3 cpu only to see MS use alot of the same tech in the 360? That was hilariously incompetent Sony. Anyway, if Sony did dump a lot of money into co-dev of navi, no way would they allow it in other consoles, but they would allow it in desktop cards. If they didn't pay, then rdna will be everywhere except Stadia.
I think it will be everywhere because Sony is super cheap now and probably didn't give amd much in the way of resources.
SonGoku
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LordOfChaos
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SonGoku
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tbf the PPE was trash the actual meat and balls of the R&D was spent on the SPUs
joe_zazen
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Nonetheless, they paid ibm for a cpu that was then sold to their competition. It was a monumental fuck up. Edit and kind of a scummy thing to do that left the lead architect feeling shitty, according to his memoir.
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SonGoku
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We don't know the whole story though, maybe Sony funded the SPEs bit while IBM already had a working PPE core.
LordOfChaos
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Intel’s Manufacturing Glitch Opens Door for AMD
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I think Intel is largely interested in the massive opportunity in datacenter compute that GPUs have, that's a bunch of silicon budget people are spending that they don't have an answer to. When you make a high performance per watt datacenter GPU, it also happens to be good at gaming with some minor changes, which is secondarily how they'll target it.
I'd love to see a GPU market with three fierce competitors, we'll just have to wait and see what Xe is like. I wonder if it won't be a Vega situation where they didn't put the R&D into splitting out the compute and gaming architectures, or Navi which does.
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demigod
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You are reading too much into that. If anything it'll just be the drivers on Microsofts side.
Munki
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MS has acquired AMD, calling it now...
Joking aside, they were implying that they are going to announce some pretty big things (E3?) without saying jack shit.
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llien
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Well, those parts which you claim happened would be nice,Do you want me to remember things from the past?
I still cannot wrap my head around it.
It sounds like Vega vs Navi, but that's inside Radeon Group competition, quite below his level.
So, the only way I could imagine that is:
Raja: Vega is more important!
Lisa: Hold on, console business is our bread and butter.
But still, both Navi and Vega would be under his command.
I also recall AMD hiring more engineers, which was after Zen buck well within Raja's reign.
Anyhow, I find this guy to be way overrated.
Hm, what do you mean?
Most money went into CELL development.
The point was to leverage dominant market position, create some crazy hardware spec, which would make porting close to impossible, be in full control of the development, while laughing at competitors.
Oh, and the original plan was to have no GPUs at all, but 2 CELL's instead.
Ar¢tos
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Does the bulk of cpu/gpu profit comes from the server/professional business for AMD and Nvidia?
The prices of chips are madly different between gaming/casual and server/professional (obviously professional products have different features, but it seems they overcharge just because there is nowhere else for companies to get products with those features, not because of the cost of the features themselves).
The prices of chips are madly different between gaming/casual and server/professional (obviously professional products have different features, but it seems they overcharge just because there is nowhere else for companies to get products with those features, not because of the cost of the features themselves).
LordOfChaos
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Whenever MS lady was on stage, towards the end of it. They both had a shit eating grin on so it was more than just the Windows scheduling/driver collaboration lol
Nope, original plan was to have a fast rasterizer from Toshiba. Which was a pretty good plan. But Toshiba fucked it up.
xool
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This is a hangover from the BS book some guy wrote claiming to be a big insight into the development of the cell and 360 processors at IBM - people who reviewed the book made out it created a narrative where IBM was basically taking money from Sony, and then using the work to offer MS something good.
There's a summary here , the wall street journal also ran a sensationalised version posing as journalism
the book was The Race for a New Game Machine: Creating the Chips Inside the XBox 360 and the Playstation 3
CyberPanda
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That just confirms Lisa and the MS woman are scissoring.
llien
Member
Mkay. Read about "orignial plan" on gaf, no real link (in one of the Cernysogreat threads)
joe_zazen
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Any proof Shippy was lying?
LordOfChaos
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The real magic of the Cell was its ability to be hotly debated 14 years later
KlickKlack
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. [pls be true]
Munki
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That just confirms Lisa and the MS woman are scissoring.
If those are not the faces of two women in love, than I don't know what is.
For shits and giggles, I made a GIF.
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Developers are finally going to master Cell programming any year now.
Ar¢tos
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ARM and PowerPC hold no secrets and x86 is meh as a talking point (although the CELL was nothing more than a PowerPC/Risc hybrid). We need a brand new controversial architecture to fire up the Internet!
xool
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I called BS because the imo book was more about creating a good story than being a balanced look.
Half my problem with the book was with the sensationalist reviews - but then - the guy who wrote the book has to take some responsibility for that. If he didn't play up the drama he probably would have sold 4 copies.
Panajev2001a
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I don't know if this means anything, but has anyone seen this slide saying "Deep partnership - From console to cloud" in the keynote? They could be talking just about Xbox One, but it's a bit suspicious to show this in a keynote talking about the new architecture... Idk.
They are talking about MS cloud and Gaming as that was a consumer part of the event... but more of that the fact that MS is getting lots of EPYC based blades up in their data centres
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Evilms
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The prices of ryzen 5 3600 and 3600x are known.
www.eurogamer.net
AMD unveils next-gen Ryzen 3000 processors and RX 5700 graphics card
AMD has announced its latest processors and graphics cards to kick off Computex 2019, including the RX 5700 Navi GPU an…
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TeamGhobad
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whats the difference between 3700x and 3800x except for price and watt?
Negotiator
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So next-gen consoles will have a lower binned 3700X chip running at 3.2-3.3 GHz with 8 functioning cores and the entire APU die (including the Navi GPU) is gonna cost $100-110 tops?
DeepEnigma
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The prices of ryzen 5 3600 and 3600x are known.
So the consoles will probably be a 3700 variant with lower clocks and their own customizations?
Evilms
Banned
I also think, probably a slightly restrained 3700 model for a lower tdp/temperature.
Evilms
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clock speed/boost : 3.6 GHz and 4.4 GHz for 3700X vs 3.9GHz and 4.5 GHz for 3800X.
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TeamGhobad
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so chart is wrong. but wow a relative small boost and its 40watts more.
TeamGhobad
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this was already posted in this thread. go troll someplace else. honestly why aren't u banned yet?
Evilms
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Yes probably a mistake of eurogamer, but the prices are right.
Braldryr
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Sorry, I do not check this thread very often and 2nd you gotta stop being hostile for no real reason dude.
3rd - Why you so angry? You not having a good day today?
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TeamGhobad
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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Definitely not true: Keep in mind that the PS3 only has 1 CPU core, not 3. 14 years later, i think people still get caught up in the Cells SIMD theoretical numbers. Like I said earlier, that's not what a game spends all its time doing, the Cell and Xenon had very narrow (2-issue), in-order...
its a trashy pastebin leak. seriously? and u claim to have insider sources LOL.
Braldryr
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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Definitely not true: Keep in mind that the PS3 only has 1 CPU core, not 3. 14 years later, i think people still get caught up in the Cells SIMD theoretical numbers. Like I said earlier, that's not what a game spends all its time doing, the Cell and Xenon had very narrow (2-issue), in-order...www.neogaf.com
its a trashy pastebin leak. seriously? and u claim to have insider sources LOL.
1st off I did not know it was a pastebin leak. I found it on a random forum. 2nd I made a mistake and did not check this thread. 3rd - stop fucking insulting me you fucking idiot. I was only trying to add to the conversation. On the ignore list you go buddy.
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TeamGhobad
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you're a fake leaker that was just exposed. and yes you did claim to be an insider with your daddys business cards. stop making excuses.
SonGoku
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Negotiator
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Sounds good IMHO. 7nm wafers are more expensive (prices could drop next year, along with increased yields and maybe EUV).
Remember people saying we would never get a $300 CPU on a console? That and an RTX 2080/1080 Ti contender will be very appealing...
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