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[SonGoku]

But still doing Bc via software you guess?

I think BC will be done with a software layer assisting hw emulation either way.

 

[Fake]

I think BC will be done with a software layer assisting hw emulation either way.

They still doing a hell of job with software emulation, so no wonder why their next console continue the job. Unless is like those other rumors about PS5 getting a 1.6GZ base clock just to simulate the PS4 hardware for a native BC instead of software.

 

[SonGoku]

They still doing a hell of job with software emulation, so no wonder why their next console continue the job. Unless is like those other rumors about PS5 getting a 1.6GZ base clock just to simulate the PS4 hardware for a native BC instead of software.

I dont know much about CPUs but i dont think a downclock will be enough to simulate a Jaguar core, Zen2 cores are so much different i think they'll need a software layer to assist hw emulation
Would be amazing if dynamic rez titles could run at 4k and those with unlocked fps reach locked 60fps/30fps

 

[demigod]

No doubt but you have to keep in mind AMD is the one who deserves praise for designing console APUs
Both Sony and MS will aim for the best possible specs at the time of release.

How high is ms willing to sell Xbox and for how much of a loss? The answer to those questions will determine how much more powerful it is.

I don’t see MS willing to lose more than Sony if Sony ends up losing $100 per console. They’ve been buying studios left and right. Why lose millions of dollars on consoles if you’re going the streaming/netflix route?

 

[CrustyBritches]

Sony and MS in real life:

In this thread:

 

[Gamernyc78]

The most powerful console will come down to the two different price points. Microsoft plans to release two, will be interesting to see if Sony does the same. When you spend $100 more on a console without any Kinect or Move its easier to have the more powerful console. Doesn't matter if its 30% faster or 1% faster it allows the advertising and head space of the most powerful console tag.

Sony has absolutely no need to release two consoles and will not do so. They are eating up sales even when often times the S was cheaper than the ps4 and even with Xbox coming out later with a more powerful console, that has not affected Sony sales one bit. That is a strategy Microsoft is experimenting with to try to gain the ground on sales.

Again as I stated and I guess your agreeing with its all about timing and the price point each want to aim for relative to power that will dictate who has the stronger console.

 

[Lort]

Even the ps4 was supposed to have 4GB RAM, plans can change. In fact there was nothing special about the X’s GPU over the Pro. So yeah plans can change, go educate yourself.

Actually many games run at higher res than the GPU and CPU dictate... MS implemented the DX commands in hardware... i presume you just dont know what your talking about.. rather than deliberately spreading miss-information.

 

[SonGoku]

I don’t see MS willing to lose more than Sony if Sony ends up losing $100 per console. They’ve been buying studios left and right. Why lose millions of dollars on consoles if you’re going the streaming/netflix route?

I agree, Its nots worth it to lose hundreds of dollars to get a considerable power gap, just entertaining the options. Mattyp nailed it: Whoever gets the 10-15% perf crown will do it solely for marketing bragging rights even if it amounts to a minuscule resolution difference.

 

[Insane Metal]

Sony and MS in real life:

In this thread:

You and I IRL:

 

[CrustyBritches]

You and I IRL:

That's us in the war(Div2). Now we're more like...

...while we watch the thread burn.

 

[Mattyp]

Even the ps4 was supposed to have 4GB RAM, plans can change. In fact there was nothing special about the X’s GPU over the Pro. So yeah plans can change, go educate yourself.

They only doubled it when that kid in Western Australia got his hands on a devkit or released all the files containing to Microsofts plans online? Can't remember exactly which, big news at the time. Think they ended up fully fucking him over in court.

Could of been a very different generation, I don't think we'll be seeing any differences that wide but.

 

[Imtjnotu]

You're full off it so you must love yourself alot isn't it.

 

[Insane Metal]

That's us in the war(Div2). Now we're more like...

...while we watch the thread burn.

True true, hehe

 

[demigod]

Actually many games run at higher res than the GPU and CPU dictate... MS implemented the DX commands in hardware... i presume you just dont know what your talking about.. rather than deliberately spreading miss-information.

So what you’re saying is Sony implemented Vulkan commands in hardware hence why base ps4 beats xbox one, sweet thanks for the info!

 

[xool]

Also... what if Microsoft somehow managed to get a 16 core Ryzen 2 with lowered clocks but thinking about those 32 threads? I mean the 12 core/24 thread is clocked at 3.8Ghz base/4.6Ghz boost and just 105w...

16core/32thread would need the memory system beefing up - for Ryzen 1950X it's quad channel memory, and the Epyc 16 core parts are 8 channel. I would guess it would totally bottle neck without extra memory - for full quad support that's 4x the price for memory..

I think it would be just too much extra cost

 

[Negotiator]

I just saw Coreteks video on YT talking about Zen 2. We've heard and even seen leaked benchmarks of that 16 core Ryzen 2... but it wasn't announced. Still, AMD has a presentation at E3... maybe they'll show it there? Also... what if Microsoft somehow managed to get a 16 core Ryzen 2 with lowered clocks but thinking about those 32 threads? I mean the 12 core/24 thread is clocked at 3.8Ghz base/4.6Ghz boost and just 105w...

The more CPU cores you have, the lower you have to clock them, which yields lower single-threaded performance.

Doesn't sound good, unless all games are multi-threaded and DX12 capable.

They would be better off spending the silicon and tdp budget on a 80-88CU GPU

How high could they clock that beast?

They still doing a hell of job with software emulation, so no wonder why their next console continue the job. Unless is like those other rumors about PS5 getting a 1.6GZ base clock just to simulate the PS4 hardware for a native BC instead of software.

Zen 2 at 1.6 GHz will be 2 times faster (2x IPC) than Jaguar, so it makes no sense.

They only doubled it when that kid in Western Australia got his hands on a devkit or released all the files containing to Microsofts plans online? Can't remember exactly which, big news at the time. Think they ended up fully fucking him over in court.

Western Australia kid? Source?

So what you’re saying is Sony implemented Vulkan commands in hardware hence why base ps4 beats xbox one, sweet thanks for the info!

GPUs do not understand higher-level stuff like DX or Vulkan, they only execute assembly opcodes (just like every other processor in the market).

 

[SonGoku]

16core/32thread would need the memory system beefing up - for Ryzen 1950X it's quad channel memory, and the Epyc 16 core parts are 8 channel. I would guess it would totally bottle neck without extra memory - for full quad support that's 4x the price for memory..

I think it would be just too much extra cost

32GB HBM3 AT 2TB/s BELIEVE!

How high could they clock that beast?

That's the beauty of it, you don't need to clock that high with that many CUs
80CUs at 1500Mhz would be 15.3TF
inb4 someone tells me im crazy, im not saying next gen consoles will have 88CUs!

 

[Insane Metal]

32GB HBM3 AT 2TB/s BELIEVE!

That's the beauty of it, you don't need to clock that high with that many CUs
80CUs at 1500Mhz would be 15.3TF
inb4 someone tells me im crazy, im not saying next gen consoles will have 88CUs!

Hey, I'm talking about 16 CPU cores here... lol

 

[Fake]

Zen 2 at 1.6 GHz will be 2 times faster (2x IPC) than Jaguar, so it makes no sense.

To you yes. To Sony, who tha hell knows. Again, just leaks mate. Stop thinking about the impossible.

Hey, I'm talking about 16 CPU cores here... lol

Just imagine a cooling system for that.

 

[joe_zazen]

Cboat were the GAF mods.

What is the source for that?

 

[Fake]

What is the source for that?

pastebin

 

[Gamernyc78]

pastebin

Lol

 

[CrustyBritches]

So I think that with vapor chamber cooling the next-gen systems should be able to handle at least 16-core CPU with 4-way SMT. Add in a paltry 64GB GDDR6 and at least a 4TB SSD and we'd have I guess an ok next gen. If they don't cheap out like this gen, then we could get some ML and RT chips too.

 

[ResilientBanana]

I think people are losing it now.

 

[SonGoku]

So I think that with vapor chamber cooling the next-gen systems should be able to handle at least 16-core CPU with 4-way SMT. Add in a paltry 64GB GDDR6 and at least a 4TB SSD and we'd have I guess an ok next gen. If they don't cheap out like this gen, then we could get some ML and RT chips too.

Dont forget the secondary 32 SPEs CELL 2 BE

 

[Negotiator]

Dont forget the secondary 32 SPEs CELL 2 BE

Embedded in the southbridge with a pair of XDR chips and cooled with a separate fan (just like X570 motherboards).

 

[Tarkus98]

Dont forget the secondary 32 SPEs CELL 2 BE

Lol, yeah. Me thinks it would just be better to move all the secret sauce, extra cell cpu and whatever else they have to a power brick and be done with it. /s

 

[SonGoku]

Embedded in the southbridge with a pair of XDR chips and cooled with a separate fan (just like X570 motherboards).

I think a paltry 64GB HBM3 pool should do the job for the whole apu

 

[Imtjnotu]

So now we are at

15TF 88cu
16c/32t zen 3
64gb HBM3
2tb nvme pcie 5.0

$399

 

[SonGoku]

So now we are at

15TF 88cu
16c/32t zen 3
64gb HBM3
2tb nvme pcie 5.0

$399

$449 would be more realistic

 

[CrustyBritches]

I think a paltry 64GB HBM3 pool should do the job for the whole apu

Using HBM would provide power savings and open up the possibility of additional synergistic Cell 2 CPUs(also called Kugo cores). 3 total Kugo cores for HBCC(High-bandwidth Backwards Compatibility Chip), RT, and ML.

 

[joe_zazen]

So now we are at

15TF 88cu
16c/32t zen 3
64gb HBM3
2tb nvme pcie 5.0

$399

I can build a equal pc for $89.50.

 

[Imtjnotu]

I can build a equal pc for $89.50.

Ya but you didn't factor in the price of internet and game pass

 

[Aceofspades]

Wait a minute...how come everyone is predicting higher CU numbers than GCN limit of 64?

 

[Insane Metal]

Wait a minute...how come everyone is predicting higher CU numbers than GCN limit of 64?

Dude............ there's no limit for dreaming... shhhh

 

[SonGoku]

Wait a minute...how come everyone is predicting higher CU numbers than GCN limit of 64?

RDNA likely broke that limit
Realistically i expect 64CUs (56 enabled) but 72CUs (64 enabled) wouldn't be crazy

 

[CrustyBritches]

Ya but you didn't factor in the price of internet and game pass

On the other hand the PC is a FX-9590 with crossfire R9 290x, so the power savings on console could be significant.

 

[Fake]

RDNA or GCNTFO

 

[Negotiator]

If dev kits have 64GB, then is it reasonable to expect 32GB GDDR6 256-bit for retail SKUs?

 

[DeepEnigma]

So now we are at

15TF 88cu
16c/32t zen 3
64gb HBM3
2tb nvme pcie 5.0

$399

That’s the thicc snek.

PS5 still 8TF, Zen2 garbo slow CPU.

 

[Lort]

So what you’re saying is Sony implemented Vulkan commands in hardware hence why base ps4 beats xbox one, sweet thanks for the info!

What are you talking about .. .. they only did that on the xbox one x.

Behind The Xbox One X’s Architecture Part II - CPU Improvements, DX12 Support And Improved Command Processing

Our in-depth look at the Xbox One X’s CPU and its many features.

www.google.com.au

“Microsoft done a good bit of forward thinking: high frequency API calls are implemented directly into the GPU’s command processor.”

 

[TLZ]

Dude............ there's no limit for dreaming... shhhh

Exactly!!

 

[bitbydeath]

So now we are at

15TF 88cu
16c/32t zen 3
64gb HBM3
2tb nvme pcie 5.0

$399

That’s like 20TFS in Vega language!

 

[TLZ]

That’s like 20TFS in Vega language!

 

[ethomaz]

We need a new pastebin leak to crush these overexpectations.

 

[Imtjnotu]

We need a new pastebin leak to crush these overexpectations.

We're 8 pastebins deep today! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT

 

[Fake]

We're 8 pastebins deep today! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT

Xbox insiders.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

We need another SonGuku pastebin special.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I wish folks likes you would stop acting like it all depends on the same release year to have the same specifications. Those things are planned years before. And the pricetag is a choice. Better hardware cost more money, if it isn't still obvious for you.

It is specifically because it came out years later and at a higher price tag that it was able to win the performance crown, but is still getting outsold by PS4 and PS4 Pro and limited by the base Xbox One. Great HW, not incredible and out of this world, and did not change the generation.
Power is one of the many factors, not the only one... your previous statement sounded a bit like “we invented DirectX, do you seriously think we would let them have a 40% performance advantage” .

 

[Insane Metal]

Xbox insiders.

Shit, 8TF, here we go again