Ar¢tos
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PS5 will ALWAYS be more powerful because it has the power of Dreams©
Petaflops of Neverending creativity flowing from users directly to Sony HQ, it will be unstoppable!!
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Petaflops of Neverending creativity flowing from users directly to Sony HQ, it will be unstoppable!!
Fake
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Intel and Nvidia of course.
DemonCleaner
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so you get this massive IPC gain with legacy wave64 code already. (power and work per TF) efficiency will get much better as soon as native wave32 code will be implemented. that probably won't become common before the launch of next gen consoles, though.
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LordOfChaos
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In a closed box though? Sure it will, dev support is more of a problem on PC.
See Asynchronous compute, devs dragged their feet on PC for a while but being a closed box and every millisecond of processing counting on consoles, many more took advantage of that
Edit: Oh, I see you probably meant the next gen console launch will drive it
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Evilms
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Zen 2 means 4 times more powerful in terms of CPU performance than the old Jaguar of the X.
Navi/RDNA at 12Tflops means more than 2.4 times GPU performance against the Polaris/GCN of the X.
PCIE4 NVME SSD is 40 times more powerful than a traditional HDD according to Microsoft.
GDDR6 14 Gbps is more than twice the performance of GDDR5 6.8Gbps of Xbox One X/PS4 Pro.
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Lort
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Zen 2 means 4 times more powerful in terms of CPU performance than the old Jaguar of the X.
Navi/RDNA at 12Tflops means more than 2.4 times GPU performance against the Polaris/GCN of the X.
PCIE4 NVME SSD is 40 times more powerful than a traditional HDD according to Microsoft.
GDDR6 14 Gbps is more than twice the performance of GDDR5 6.8Gbps of Xbox One X/PS4 Pro.
Given gpu performance also has higher effeciency .. they could be getting 120 fps on a 4k 30 fps xbox one x game. That would in simple and accurate terms be 4 times the performance.
Evilms
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The 120fps is going to be more for VR in my opinion.
Lort
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Indeed .... VR has to be wireless else it can stay at my friends house gathering dust instead of me actually using it.
Imtjnotu
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ya but no game will run native at that res unless it wants to look like a ps3 game. most likely they will be using some sort of upscaler hardware to help.
Fake
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Don't need to be native. This is a future proof feature.
Besides, Xbox X have that 120hz option with make the experience much better.
I can't understand those lack of info about that. 8K native? 120fps? Please.
TeamGhobad
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guess which is stronger?
SonGoku
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Are you sure? then why MS joined the 360 slim CPU/GPU on the same die later on for costs reductions?
Why did the PS4/XB go with a monolithic design?
If yields are not the best it might be more expensive early on but as yields improve that brings costs reductions and even more cost reduction with a die shrink (6nm)
Long term it will be cheaper
I edited point 1 messed up earlier
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LordOfChaos
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guess which is stronger?
Nvidia isn't on 7nm though, straight die size comparisons don't tell you that much
Rather use transistor counts
DeepEnigma
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So 105w vs 65w? Hmmm.
Insane Metal
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Personally, I'm expecting 50w max from the cpu. It'll be downclocked and probably won't have a 'turbo boost', so it'll consume a lot less power than the 'off the shelf' part.
I'm thinking final HW will be about ~180-210W.
EDIT: that's basically a PS3 launch model:
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ABrokenToy
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Can someone just put me in an induced coma until Holiday 2020. I can't with this shit anymore. LOL.
bitbydeath
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*PS4 game.
If we double the performance of what the PS4 Pro can do then those 4K games can reach 8K.
And PS5 will be a lot more than double the TFs.
Don’t forget this supposedly running on an early PS5 dev kit.
Stunning Gran Turismo 8K/120FPS Footage Revealed at Industry Event
While most of the attention of Gran Turismo fans was focused on the FIA-certified GT Championship World Finals in Monaco last week, something interesting was quietly being shown off on the other side of the world at "InterBEE 2018" in Tokyo. InterBEE, or the "International Broadcast Equipment Exh
www.gtplanet.net
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ABrokenToy
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Please link to this "Windowscentral" rumormill...
demigod
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No idea where the rumor is from but that's what they wrote.
Xbox Scarlett vs. PlayStation 5: Microsoft wants Scarlett to be the 'most powerful console'
Microsoft wants to be the best.
www.windowscentral.com
ABrokenToy
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Colin Moriarty is reporting he's heard PS5 is more powerful than Scarlett and appears to echo Andrew Reiner.
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SpinningBirdKick
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I wouldn't be surprised if MS has a Hail Mary pass situation going on with Anaconda where they're waiting for delivery of some part or other to give some uplift.
Potentially it could be waiting for a node shrink on the IO die serving the chiplets, 14nm to 12nm may give them enough juice to boost the clock speed.
The chiplet play would also let them take advantage of binning the chips and creaming off best performers for Anaconda where Lockhart and cloud get the sloppy seconds.
MS also have a tremendous amount to lose if this doesn't play out. So they may have pushed things to be more along these lines - if the Hail Mary pays off:
- 64 CU @ 1650 = 13.5 TF
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bitbydeath
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Sony needs it to be extra powerful to handle VR.
MS doesn’t have such a requirement.
Imtjnotu
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8 days ago Sony mentioned 120hz..... https://www.tomsguide.com/us/ps5-120hz-ps4-cross-save,news-30268.html
Negotiator
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It made sense back then.
Remember when AMD had integrated the memory controller in the CPU (K8)? Now they're doing the opposite (I/O die), because costs are skyrocketing:
More like 30W (as much as Jaguar consumes at 28nm).
There won't be a 14nm I/O die (assuming they go monolithic).
IceManCat
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Zen 2 means 4 times more powerful in terms of CPU performance than the old Jaguar of the X.
Navi/RDNA at 12Tflops means more than 2.4 times GPU performance against the Polaris/GCN of the X.
PCIE4 NVME SSD is 40 times more powerful than a traditional HDD according to Microsoft.
GDDR6 14 Gbps is more than twice the performance of GDDR5 6.8Gbps of Xbox One X/PS4 Pro.
Im a bit confused about your second sentence and the 2.4 times GPU leap. Does this mean if a ps5 launched with 12 TF of power it would be equivalent to a 28.8 teraflop ps4? 12 x 2.4 = 28.8. That seems to be extremely powerful I’m sure I am misunderstanding
Aceofspades
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Fake
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Yeap. I know. Really looking foward this.
Aceofspades
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SonGoku
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AMD put the IO into a separate die to scale up multiple chiplets
1 chiplet = 8 cores
For a 8 core console APU its more beneficial to use a monotheist die
ethomaz
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7nm by TSMC claim has a reduction on size of 52%.
guess which is stronger?
In best case scenario that big chip could be 213mm2 and 392mm2.
But we will never know.
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SonGoku
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With current tech consoles could be 300W on a small for factor as long as cooling is sufficient
I still don't know why there's 200W hard limit considering tech has move forward
Negotiator
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The chiplet technology cannot be applied to GPUs/APUs (yet), so yeah, it's gonna be monolithic.
DeepEnigma
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Same. I only buy 120hz or above panels, so it’s nice that it will have 2.1 and that more responsive handshake.
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SonGoku
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They could make separate CPU-GPU dies on a single package, similar to PS360 but i don't think the short term benefits are worth the sacrifices
Your TV is 4k at 120hz
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Gamernyc78
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So much fear and wishful thinking comments from ppl that don't want the PS5 to be more powerful. Like who gives a fuck? Enjoy your console of choice because at the end of the day the games you like will look alot better than this gen no matter what. How many "I told you so" moments have some of you endured listening to PR bs, eating it up, to be disappointed and still don't learn smh
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SpinningBirdKick
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I actually think the PS5 will be the more balanced and best performing system overall.
But MS has so much riding on having the most power that they'll be crucified if it fails to deliver.
So I'm expecting MS to tweak and tune to report a higher TF number by hook or by crook.
But that higher TF number won't translate into the best gaming performance.
Aceofspades
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All I have to say is people always overestimate MS when it comes to power.
Only time they created a clearly powerful machine was the original Xbox made by shelf parts from Nvidia and Intel. After that they lost power battle to Sony two gens in a row.
Hell even their Xbox one X advantage was because they mirrored PS4 design and waited a year over Pro to release it. If Sony delayed PRO to 2017 they would release a 6TF console.
For some strange reason, there is this strange idea in the back of the heads of MS fans that MS will "go all out" releasing this beastly console that outpower all competition but it never comes to fruition, and it never will. Microsoft is to blame for putting themselves in such position, they have been screaming "power" since 2017 with their man-kids PR of Larry Harb and Greenberg posting every DF comparison highlighting every slight advantage of Xbox one X. Amature move from them since it seems like they are lacking focus or the entirety of Xbox division is not on the same page, and its starting to bite them in the ass now.
If you want to position yourself as "performance leader" then you should man up to it, and if I was running the division, the first thing to do to ensure this is to go to Nvidia and Intel to make sure I will achieve the image I created and crush the competition . But MS is lacking focus and commitment.
Its their battle to lose now.
Only time they created a clearly powerful machine was the original Xbox made by shelf parts from Nvidia and Intel. After that they lost power battle to Sony two gens in a row.
Hell even their Xbox one X advantage was because they mirrored PS4 design and waited a year over Pro to release it. If Sony delayed PRO to 2017 they would release a 6TF console.
For some strange reason, there is this strange idea in the back of the heads of MS fans that MS will "go all out" releasing this beastly console that outpower all competition but it never comes to fruition, and it never will. Microsoft is to blame for putting themselves in such position, they have been screaming "power" since 2017 with their man-kids PR of Larry Harb and Greenberg posting every DF comparison highlighting every slight advantage of Xbox one X. Amature move from them since it seems like they are lacking focus or the entirety of Xbox division is not on the same page, and its starting to bite them in the ass now.
If you want to position yourself as "performance leader" then you should man up to it, and if I was running the division, the first thing to do to ensure this is to go to Nvidia and Intel to make sure I will achieve the image I created and crush the competition . But MS is lacking focus and commitment.
Its their battle to lose now.
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SonGoku
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Insane Metal
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CyberPanda
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I actually like her, and she's gorgeous too. She has made a lot of catchy tunes over the years.
MS should just shut the Xbox division down.
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LordOfChaos
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Hindu memory controller would be too OP, basically
demigod
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SpinningBirdKick
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I actually think this is the long term goal, to shutdown the hardware division completely.
Allowing Xbox games on other platforms was the first step.
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CyberPanda
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Naw, MS should just stick to office, windows and stuff like that. They should sell their IPs, and shouldn’t bother with gaming at all.
Aceofspades
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I wouldn't want that tbh, they provide massive entertainment being Sony punching bag since 2001
On a more serious answer: they should just focus and have a clear vision on what they want of Xbox.
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CyberPanda
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You realize these corporations don’t give a fuck about us right? Jesus. I’m saying MS should quit, because they don’t have the ‘oomph’ factor like Sony does, Or that driving force. If Ms leaves gaming, they can still make money off their other divisions. Gaming is a big money maker for Sony, and they should stay in it. MS doesn’t need it.I wouldn't want that tbh, they provide massive entertainment being Sony punching bag since 2001
JLMC469
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To be fair, this companies make a lot more money with software and subscription services than with hardware.
SonGoku
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True but you need the hw to push software and subscriptions
CyberPanda
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Yea. MS is just playing cute and staying in hardware just not to piss off their current fan base. Once Gamepass and everything gets geared up, they are going to pull the rug from underneath their fans.
Of course. These companies always sell hardware at a loss first, but majority of their money does come from subscribers and what not.
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