its funny how some people are reading a conspiracy theory in my posts when i have not alleged MS hacking anything just because they owned github. the directory was public and several posts on both forums downloaded it themselves.
AMD is SOLELY at fault. im sure both Sony and MS ripped Lisa Su a new one after the github leaks. An era user had their own google drive doc DMCA'd by AMD because he was hosting the github leak. Thats how seriously AMD took it. Im sure heads rolled over at AMD after that fiasco.
However, i am not speculating who is to blame. just what happened. komachi and rogame are far from the only guys searching github for next gen stuff. there was a reddit leak in january that listed a 4 tflops lockhart, a 12 tflops anaconda and an 8 tflops ps5. this was before any gonzalo leak which was unearthed days later by either komachi or apisak. so where did this leak get the 8 tflops from? ariel was 1.8 ghz at the time and 36 cus get you 8 tflops.
i could never figure out why that 8 tflops number kept popping up. iirc the first gonzalo leak had a clockspeed of 1 ghz. everyone said it was 64 cus at 1 ghz or 8 tflops. fine. then we went up to 1.8 ghz in april. and then all of a sudden it was downgraded to 36 cus. i was like why are we downgrading the CUs? again, the 8 tflops number felt like this arbitrary number we had to stick to. it wasnt until late july when komachi found the oberon results did we start to entertain 9 tflops. before that it was always 8. The only one peddling the 8 tflops theories at the time was penello.
and thats it. thats literally the crux of the discussion. im not blaming evil MS for stealing Sony's data. im just trying to figure out if these leaks are related, if MS got wind of it through github and if they devised their strategy around it.
Good points, I'll admit to that. And I agree that AMD is the one at fault for the leaks being found (and putting their benchmarks into databases in a such a way people like Komachi and Rogane can search through them), which is part of the reason I always thought it funny there were people saying Sony or Microsoft purposefully put the specs out there for some type of narrative to benefit them. Like, why would the other company or AMD agree to throw in the competitor's specifications in those leaks? That's an epic lawsuit in the making
But back to the 8TF stuff, I think you have a good case with how Penello may've gotten to that conclusion and floated those numbers around, but I have a counter-case to that: Sony
themselves said sometime around PS4 Pro's release (or maybe afterwards) that 4K60 was only truly possible with 8TF. They said that themselves before any leaks or rumors with next-gen systems even began. So it's possible (and maybe more probable) Penello was simply taking Sony's own words and throwing some stuff on top of them to speculate what he personally thought their next-gen system was going for.
At that time, however, I'm pretty sure Sony were referring to 4K60 for current-gen games, and speaking in terms of Polaris (GCN) architecture, not Navi. Things that Penello didn't take into account when floating out his own numbers and speculation.
