HeisenbergFX4
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Just havent seen this gif in awhile and wanted to bring it back 
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Three Jackdaws
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Just havent seen this gif in awhile and wanted to bring it back
NXGamer
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Again, I have not said NO AVX2 or even other Instructions such as FMA which have all been around for donkeys. What Mark said is correct of course, it can and will support AVX2 and he also stated that the extent of that COULD cause the CPU to throttle back.
From the block it is clear changes here have been made and that may be with less Ints, reduced width or something else. The point is that within the system and the SDK they can "focus" developers to use the functions to the best method of the system and some of the previously bound CPU workloads may no longer be limited to it.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Oh give me a break.. you clearly seemed to think PS5 wasn't supporting AVX2 extensions.. You strongly suggested they shouldn't exist on the CPU, and then when someone pointed out they are confirmed for PS5, you backed off that.. and said:
NXGamer said:
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Zheph
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Life of Black Tiger PS5 upgrade? let us dream ffsJust havent seen this gif in awhile and wanted to bring it back
RasAlGhoul
Member
Just havent seen this gif in awhile and wanted to bring it back
At least tease a platform or publisher for us.
kyliethicc
Member
I'm hoping for a Knack 3 announcement or Knack in Smash reveal.
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Neo Blaster
Member
I already snatched one, can I have my threesome now?
The Madness of the PS5 Hunt
Millions of people are losing sleep and health in an attempt to snatch Sony’s latest consolemedium.com
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
100% rumor but its Xbox and no not the headset
Edit - Well not 100% but had to put that
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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You have to kinda take
IntentionalPun
in small doses.He does get like this when he's not had his Weetabix.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Elden Ring PS5 exclusive confirmed.Just havent seen this gif in awhile and wanted to bring it back
saintjules
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kyliethicc
Member
Did Xbox buy Knack from Sony?100% rumor but its Xbox and no not the headset
Edit - Well not 100% but had to put that
Would be game over for PS5.
Zheph
Member
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Three Jackdaws
Banned
The console war would have been over, we would have heard of a such a big acquisition by now.
Lysandros
Member
I don't think he is wrong on that one though.You have to kinda take
He does get like this when he's not had his Weetabix.
RasAlGhoul
Member
100% rumor but its Xbox and no not the headset
Edit - Well not 100% but had to put that
Thank you. Allows my hype to deflate since I don’t own a series machine and won’t be buying one. If it’s a good game I’ll snag on pc.
RaZoR No1
Member
Tomorrow is Wednesday..100% rumor but its Xbox and no not the headset
Edit - Well not 100% but had to put that
I think I know that you know that I know what that could mean.
That I know nothing
kyliethicc
Member
True. Since Knack, every generation, the console with Knack has won. Knack decides.
Three Jackdaws
Banned
People have been saying we won't see any exclusives on Series X for a while, I hope we get to see something soon. Like Hellblade 2 gameplay footage. Most likely Sony would respond as well with there "bleed them out" tactics.100% rumor but its Xbox and no not the headset
Edit - Well not 100% but had to put that
Mr Moose
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
NXGamer
Member
OK, you want an argument, lets have a conversation and to help lets bring Mark in on it.
After I had that chat I went back and re-watched the video again to see what MC was saying and I quote.
You can see what he is saying and eluding to here, the fact the problem on PS5 is to support this they needed the VF to enable that power from CPU to GPU shift.
As such ALL he is saying is that the process now is deterministic and even though an engine MAY need 256-bit instructions (not just AVX) it may be low to medium use. Nothing has changed here from that statement, other than the Die shot shows that some sacrifices here seem based on that being a lower level than other areas, which is exactly what he said.
Supporting 256-bit instructions IS NOT the same thing as supporting ALL 256-bit instructions.
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LiquidRex
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
You have to kinda take
He does get like this when he's not had his Weetabix.
IntentionalPain
DeepEnigma
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Lysandros
Member
So the term native 256-bit instructions isn't related to FPU width?OK, you want an argument, lets have a conversation and to help lets bring Mark in on it.
After I had that chat I went back and re-watched the video again to see what MC was saying and I quote.
You can see what he is saying and eluding to here, the fact the problem on PS5 is to support this they needed the VF to enable that power from CPU to GPU shift.
As such ALL he is saying is that the process now is deterministic and even though an engine MAY need 256-bit instructions (not just AVX) it may be low to medium use. Nothing has changed here from that statement, other than the Die shot shows that some sacrifices here seem based on that being a lower level than other areas, which is exactly what he said.
Supporting 256-bit instructions IS NOT the same thing as supporting ALL 256-bit instructions.
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ethomaz
Banned
It is.
He is basically saying one of the reasons to variable frequency is the native support for 256bits in FPU.
So to maintain the same power envelope when running 256bits instructions it drops the clock of the CPU if needed.
Lysandros
Member
Yes i think the same way, Cerny makes it very clear indeed.
Setsuna Mudou
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Just havent seen this gif in awhile and wanted to bring it back
Dabaus
Banned
Does sony even make moves anymore? Seems every rumor nowadays is about Xbox.Just havent seen this gif in awhile and wanted to bring it back
ethomaz
Banned
Well one company need to catch in good word of mouth.
MasterCornholio
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There was the Bluepoint and Square Enix rumor.
Lysandros
Member
In that case a 256-bit FPU is needed in order to support 256-bit instructions natively (1x256-bit/single cycle), correct?
ethomaz
Banned
I believe so.
Is 2x128 still called native? It is basically a emulation of 256bits using 2x 128bits.
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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I wasn't referencing the accuracy of his arguments, rather the tone he uses to make them.
Elog
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Maybe I am the only one but I can read Cerny's speech as if he is saying that 'zen2 supports 256-bit natively', 'it consumes a lot of power', 'problem' and 'we decided to go in a very different direction'.
Could one not interpret that as if they stripped out the native 256-but code, i.e. that it is not supported natively but instead made into 2 clks of 128-bit code? Or maybe Sony has confirmed somewhere else that 256-bit code is supported natively?
Could one not interpret that as if they stripped out the native 256-but code, i.e. that it is not supported natively but instead made into 2 clks of 128-bit code? Or maybe Sony has confirmed somewhere else that 256-bit code is supported natively?
ethomaz
Banned
If it was the case he should not say the "different direction" was the variable frequency.
Lysandros
Member
I tried to do a bit of research about it and i don't think it can be considered so. In that case, we can say that Zen 2 has full/native AVX-512 support but we know that it doesn't have it. I have some earlier posts about the matter.
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carloseduardocd
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Very nice. Thanks to share his complement.
OK, you want an argument, lets have a conversation and to help lets bring Mark in on it.
After I had that chat I went back and re-watched the video again to see what MC was saying and I quote.
You can see what he is saying and eluding to here, the fact the problem on PS5 is to support this they needed the VF to enable that power from CPU to GPU shift.
As such ALL he is saying is that the process now is deterministic and even though an engine MAY need 256-bit instructions (not just AVX) it may be low to medium use. Nothing has changed here from that statement, other than the Die shot shows that some sacrifices here seem based on that being a lower level than other areas, which is exactly what he said.
Supporting 256-bit instructions IS NOT the same thing as supporting ALL 256-bit instructions.
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kyliethicc
Member
Seems their thinking was -
If we did 256 bit instructions like on desktop PCs, we'd have to do XYZ, so instead we did things differently. Our box, our way.
I think its safe to say the PS5 is customized and handles things in its own way that fits the console's needs. Let the games talk.
Lysandros
Member
Yeah, this was clearly presented as one of the reasons leading to variable clocks solution.
Edit: I mean he is obviously not saying "we cut down the FPU width because of heat and power concerns".
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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That's how I read it, tbh.
His statement, 'we decided to go in a very different direction', is the key point to focus on. Adding in VF isn't a "very different direction", it's a band aid to the problem of AVX2 usage being so power hungry.
Seems like double-pumping 128-bit AVX to support AVX2 is the most likely case for the PS5. At the end of the day we're talking about a 3+ billion cycles per second processor. So using two cycles to complete an AVX2 instruction isn't nearly the end of the world and probably isn't meaningful.
Given how Intel basically FUBAR'd AVX usage on PC by their fragmented support across the range of CPUs, most multiplatform devs haven't and aren't likely to make too much use of the wider CPU vector extensions.
Elog
Member
I believe you are right - just when I listen to it again I would argue there is some level of ambiguity. Variable frequency is clearly a key component.
Elog
Member
Looking at the data that I have seen power consumption increases exponentially for 256-bit instructions compared to 128-bit. If that is true there is no real advantage at all to use it in an environment that is limited by power and thermal such as a console.
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