When did I say that TF is more important than efficiency? If I have always defended efficiency above theoretical power (the numbers used in packaging). Are you talking about me or are you talking about what others have interpreted (good or bad) about my contributions? Because, as far as I know, I have never claimed that PS5 was going to have 13.8TF (neither GCN nor RDNA nor RDNA2). In any case perhaps you mean the 13.8TF that I have always mentioned as a clear joke that I had with some users. Maybe you didn't read those messages. It's possible. With so many messages it is difficult to keep track of these things and be left alone with what the masses interpret. It is much easier to accuse in a short message without first analyzing the original information or even asking me privately to know if you were shitting it or not. But I am sure your intentions were not bad. I forgive you.
Likewise, let us take advantage of the moment to break down the general theme and put each one in her place (so that each one feels alluded to in what she sees fit).
Let's see, the only thing I have stated about PS5 is that it was not 9.2TF. That was over 10TF. And that at one point in time it was more efficient based on the initial DevKits (which over time has been changing to one side and the other to the point that to this day I continue to defend that the final version of PS5 will continue to be more efficient). What does that mean? Well, with less you get more. And that's it.
I have also said good things about XSX (but those are easily forgotten from what I see).
What's wrong with assuming that one product is more revolutionary than another? It's reality. Why not admit it? What do they pay you?
And what is even worse, is that I am not supposed to talk about TFs in a thread called "Speculation / Analysis / Leaks" where all the time TFs are being talked about and little else. Well, no. There is much more, and that is what I have been trying to tell you since I arrived. That you stop the nonsense of the TFs. Everybody.
Another thing is that you like to talk about theoretical equivalences. Where certainly, if you want to talk about theoretical equivalences then ...
9.2 RDNA2 = 11.5 RDNA = 13.8 GCN
10.3 RDNA2 = 12.9 RDNA = 15.5 GCN
(In 3 months they will come saying that I have said that PS5 has + 15TF)
13.8 was a joke (which I said on different occasions, including the first time where I already said it was an EXAMPLE) based on the happy 9.2 that some loved so much. Since you will not expect me to skip the NDA, and less in a public forum.
And yes, for me it is legal to talk about GCN values when all the time you are trying to compare them with PC GPUs and trying to catalog them among the 20xx range. Well, if you want to make numerical equivalences, those exposed would be correct.
What you don't quite understand, and that you have been told a thousand times, is that you CANNOT COMPARE PEARS WITH APPLES. Not seriously. You have every right to do it, but it only serves to pass the time. You cannot compare PCs with Consoles. Never. Unless you do it for fun. Or to try to get an idea of something, but never to affirm anything serious. On PCs and consoles it does not work the same way. They are not exploited in the same way. They are not designed in the same way. They are not personalized in the same way. And they cannot be compared. If you want to do it, you are within your rights, but it is a waste of time.
Now let's go to reality, because talking about theoretical power is fine, but it is pure fantasy everywhere. And what Sony was looking for with PS5 was to make that fantasy come true. That dream". And it has succeeded, it has approached practically perfect efficiency points. Because, excuse me for saying, but did you really believe that the games took advantage of the full potential of your graphics cards? Obviously not, never. Surely it is a reality that some will not be able to bear when the time comes (seen what is seen). But let's be serious. I don't buy a product because of the number it says on the box. I buy a product because of how the games work on it. If you are one of the first, then you are deceived in life. And you know what? That maybe better like this, because that way you will be happier.
But the reality is that this is the theoretical reality. You may like it or not. But it is reality. And I tell you and all developers who touch the system tell you. PS5 is a revolution. And that revolution will have tangible results. Regardless of the TFs.
I will emphasize it for clarity. Saying that something is wonderful does not mean that the other is shit. Siemplente are different. But PS5 is different from everything seen so far and represents a change at all levels.
And forgive me for repeating it but apparently it seems necessary. I have said on countless occasions that theoretical power is NOT important / relevant, what matters is practical efficiency.
I repeat this because it seems that those conversations have been overlooked.
And to remind you that I do not come here to defend anything. I am not a shareholder in any company, and if it were not for the confinement you would still see me less around here. Which perhaps is what many want. So you would not have to assimilate the possible realities that I have come to put on the table. The data is what it is, the XSX GPU is more powerful in theoretical numbers, the results will be something else. Sometimes they will be better and sometimes they will be the same or worse. But I guess it's not what you want to read. And if some people do not like reality or are unable to accept it (which seems perfect to me) let everyone live in their reality. But if you are one of those I have nothing more to talk about because we would all be wasting our time, and I don't want you to waste your time reading directly to me (or indirectly through the interpretations of others). I prefer that you go to do other more interesting things such as perhaps accepting that what they sometimes sell you is not always relevant. NOT ALWAYS. ("not always" means sometimes yes and sometimes no). Or, for example, see the launch of SpaceX in
6 minutes. (
https://www.spacex.com/launches/)
And by the way, I'm not the one obsessed with TFs. You always assume that only more TFs can impress you. Well, no. What is impressive about PS5 is not the TFs but many other things. And when I put that gif, what stunned me wasn't exactly the TFs. We developers are not impressed by TFs or GHZs. Logically against more better, but it does not have the relevance that you think. It shouldn't be a measuring stick.
I hope that what I have written has been of some use to you. At least I hope it serves to keep you distracted for the next few hours while I'm going to watch the launch of SpaceX if they don't cancel it again.
In any case do not suffer the others to which I have not yet responded. I will, you are not going to get rid, but I will when I have time. Later tomorrow or when you can.
Especially the response to
Bogroll
.
Cheers
