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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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Forza Motorsport 6 uses physically based materials and sub-surface scattering on Xbox One.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/...tting-dark-and-wet-in-a-world-first-hands-on/
Forza 6 probably does material lighting better then another other racer.
I mixed PBR and PBM.
Did you noticed that i wrote PBR? No, i'm not. I'm just curious which materials. For example, i didn't found that metal materials in F6 are better than in GTS.
Risk Breaker
Member
This looks like pretty bad PBR (materials are useless if they are not rendered well):
Or even here:
The image is super flat on the first picture, nothing looks metallic whatsoever, everything looks like the same material with a different diffuse. The metals on the second are also pretty meh, looking like shiny plastic mostly.
flipswitch
Member
What's PBM btw?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Yup
Also
No debris, no tyres marks neither on the road or on dirt? it also looks incredibly unnatural
do you play racing games? Bugged crash mechanics are a staple, especially online.
Doesn't look realistic.
Physically based material.
icecold1983
Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP13KgHjSIU
i cant believe this is actually a ps4 game from a high budget sony studio
i cant believe this is actually a ps4 game from a high budget sony studio
Again, i'm not talking about the ridiculous car movements alone but mostly about the fact that the car doesn't affect the track or anything else at all
The ring looked good in the latest build but this is just awful
You seriously believe they will be missing in the final release? Even though basic tire markings, dust, debris et al. are all present in 5/6? You sound silly.
You are judging the game from what you got on video, the same it works for me
Weather it will be in the final build or not (i only played 5 i don't even know how many years ago so i can't remember) it's another thing, until then i can only discuss what they release
If that's what you think plastic looks like then you need to get your eyes checked.
Uh... yeah... yeah it does... The top is wood material and the bottom is gold in a dark room with spotlights.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Could be due to it being an online race bug (something thats in every game) or unfinished build (this was already said).
We have had players specifically say that such a thing never happened when they were playing on the pods.
You're grasping.
Sure, but context is important.
icecold1983
Member
the wood looks fairly accurate by modern standards but the gold is pretty off.
Well thank you
Wouldn't it be better to just quote who said it so that i could check it for myself?
Why the hostility?
UpUpDownDown
Member
I love the material rendering.
The bottom car looks like rubber. Neither of these look even close to real.
It's like people have never seen a car in real life before. Terrible lol
Sebmugi
Member
yes especially wood that looks more like pvc ^^
http://p6.storage.canalblog.com/67/90/530291/45442759.gif
http://p6.storage.canalblog.com/67/90/530291/45442759.gif
Which is what you would expect a wood surface on a car to look like. It doesn't look great, but neither do real wood finishes on cars.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I know right lol
TheAdmiester
Member
Maybe because neither of those materials are normal car paint, so chances are a ton of people have never seen cars like that in real life?
Unless wooden Ferraris are a thing where you live?
Sebmugi
Member
I would say to make the timber more realistic,the texture must be a lot duller and matt than glossy texture ..
http://www.pageresource.com/wallpapers/wallpaper/wood-textures-barn_1912823.jpg
on a real car on track that is wood below the painted not on photo forza making plastic
http://www.pageresource.com/wallpapers/wallpaper/wood-textures-barn_1912823.jpg
on a real car on track that is wood below the painted not on photo forza making plastic
Would you say you're an expert?
Dictator93
Member
Note to people who are positing strange comments.
Woods, and wood surfaces can be dyed, glazed, and have different colour hues and tones. Cherry, oak, maple, etc... all are of different darkness and texture.
Even waxing wood will give it shine like the Forza photo.
Dictator93
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dumb
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(Today, 05:34 PM)
They are definitely not irrelevant. Especially if you categorically deny them without any sort of explanation.
Member
(Today, 05:34 PM)
They are definitely not irrelevant. Especially if you categorically deny them without any sort of explanation.
Wood on a car will have a sheen because it has to be sealed/waxed/waterproofed. It won't be matte like a pinewood derby car.
thelastword
Banned
There's no doubt that GTS is the most detailed and best looking 60fps racer right now, even in it's unfinished state, so I think that bodes extremely well for the final product.I made some comparisons between FM6, GTS and GT6. they're not 100% accurate, but better than nothing.
I think GTS is the most realistic one.
In any case, these compressed video captures won't show just how impressive it is in motion. I think we would need an HD video comparing all recent racers like the youtuber did when he compared DC to F6 to PC (project cars) etc..
Dear lord.
Also, what the hell is going on with the physics at 2:15?!?
https://youtu.be/vP13KgHjSIU?t=135
Cherry-picking is fun I guess.
Risk Breaker
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Crayon
Member
Looks like he went in too hot and drifted out into the wall. What do you think the problem is there? The only really weird thing about it is that he knew that he would just gently bounce off the wall so he steadied and took the hit instead of trying to wrestle it away from the wall.
Insane Metal
Member
Well the game is far from complete, I have no idea why they decided it was a good idea to show it like that. There's no skid marks, no smoke, there's obvious LOD and shadows issues going on, tearing, etc. Also, it was confirmed that the event had multiple builds running (every 8 hours they were updated), there's a scene in the official trailer where you can easily see a ridiculous 2D trees wall alongside the road, but during actual gameplay it was replaced with much better 3D models for example.
backbreaker65
Banned
I think you guys really need to consider this one "BIG ASS FEATURE" GT Sport is also built from the ground up with VR in mind. With that said I think it looks amazing considering well beyond my expectations. Considering the PS4 power constraints.
Bitch Pudding
Member
I already pre-ordered PSVR and I am a huge GT fan, but I won't accept a "well, it's supposed to be a VR game" if the final (!!!) product is as messed up as the reveal trailer.
That said, after seeing the new footage I am not as worried about GTS as I was after that messed up reveail trailer from Friday.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
We've already see newer builds (later that day even) that look better than that reveal trailer lol
I don't know what PD were smoking when they put that out.
I don't know what PD were smoking when they put that out.
icecold1983
Member
isnt this the same as just being a 60 fps title? i thought the reprojection to 120fps wasnt adding any load to the ps4 gpu/cpu? as a 60 fps title theres no excuse for the game to look this poor
TheAdmiester
Member
Probably gonna be a controversial thing to say here, but after being in a car in a downpour IRL recently and playing Forza Apex on PC, I have to admit the windshield rain looks more realistic in that than Driveclub.
As fantastic as DC's rain physics are, I was never really keen on the way raindrops pooled together like jelly when they collided, I had never noticed any effects like that in real life and it just generally looked a bit wrong. While Forza's droplets have the disadvantage of not leaving streaks on the window, they way they take each other out and clear the window, and even leave condensation on the window is the most realistic I've ever seen.
Driveclub still takes the cake overall with its more natural lighting thanks to GI and dynamic time of day, but the rain in Forza is just godly. I'd say Apex definitely beats it but Motorsport 6 itself doesn't quite, because on the console version it's more sparse and only 30fps, although the effects are still there.
Just so it doesn't sound like a crazed rant, have a .gif I made of a crash that shows exactly what I'm talking about with the rain. It's still very noticeable despite the res that Imgur dropped it to, mainly keep your eyes on the bottom left of the windshield (where the wipers can't quite reach) as I reverse:
As fantastic as DC's rain physics are, I was never really keen on the way raindrops pooled together like jelly when they collided, I had never noticed any effects like that in real life and it just generally looked a bit wrong. While Forza's droplets have the disadvantage of not leaving streaks on the window, they way they take each other out and clear the window, and even leave condensation on the window is the most realistic I've ever seen.
Driveclub still takes the cake overall with its more natural lighting thanks to GI and dynamic time of day, but the rain in Forza is just godly. I'd say Apex definitely beats it but Motorsport 6 itself doesn't quite, because on the console version it's more sparse and only 30fps, although the effects are still there.
Just so it doesn't sound like a crazed rant, have a .gif I made of a crash that shows exactly what I'm talking about with the rain. It's still very noticeable despite the res that Imgur dropped it to, mainly keep your eyes on the bottom left of the windshield (where the wipers can't quite reach) as I reverse:
It's not wrong. Try to drive a car during heavy rain and don't wipe the rain from windshileld for a moment. Then turn on the wipers. You will see a "jelly" effect on your windshield.
icecold1983
Member
Probably gonna be a controversial thing to say here, but after being in a car in a downpour IRL recently and playing Forza Apex on PC, I have to admit the windshield rain looks more realistic in that than Driveclub.
As fantastic as DC's rain physics are, I was never really keen on the way raindrops pooled together like jelly when they collided, I had never noticed any effects like that in real life and it just generally looked a bit wrong. While Forza's droplets have the disadvantage of not leaving streaks on the window, they way they take each other out and clear the window, and even leave condensation on the window is the most realistic I've ever seen.
Driveclub still takes the cake overall with its more natural lighting thanks to GI and dynamic time of day, but the rain in Forza is just godly. I'd say Apex definitely beats it but Motorsport 6 itself doesn't quite, because on the console version it's more sparse and only 30fps, although the effects are still there.
Just so it doesn't sound like a crazed rant, have a .gif I made of a crash that shows exactly what I'm talking about with the rain. It's still very noticeable despite the res that Imgur dropped it to, mainly keep your eyes on the bottom left of the windshield (where the wipers can't quite reach) as I reverse:
cant agree at all having driven quite a lot in various levels of rain
Apex
Member
The effect in Forza is what you would expect in a treated windshield with a rain repelent product. Isn't more realistic except in that condition:
https://youtu.be/ibW5JEEjwuI?t=97
Driveclub does simulate better what would be a real fluids interaction.
https://youtu.be/ibW5JEEjwuI?t=97
Driveclub does simulate better what would be a real fluids interaction.
GHG
Member
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fl1sA59C6Rk
Look at the left hand side of the windshield, particularly at the start. There's your "jelly" effect.
The "jelly" effect is a real thing but it requires heavy rain and for your windshield to not be treated or heated for it to happen.
Look at the left hand side of the windshield, particularly at the start. There's your "jelly" effect.
The "jelly" effect is a real thing but it requires heavy rain and for your windshield to not be treated or heated for it to happen.
TheAdmiester
Member
How did you get that angle outside of photomode? Replay?
Looks really nice except the wheels which lack detail and the side mirror reflection..Is it reflecting the curbs on the other side of the car? Weird.
Forza has always had fucked up mirrors.
And the rain in both games look rather unrealistic if looked from heavy weather conditions.
In heavy rainstorms, water doesn't bead up, it splats and spreads, especially at high speeds.
TheAdmiester
Member
Viewing the mirrors from external cameras isn't accurate, they're only cubemaps which means they're a bit inaccurate to begin with, but they also can't reflect the car, meaning you see what's behind it.