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NFL - Dallas Cowboys RB Ezekiel Elliott Suspended 6 Games
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The Jackdog
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I don't care about the Cowboys at all, but I'm from central Ohio and I remember when this turned out to be nothing against Elliot so it makes no sense for this to be a thing.
Honestly, it worked out well for the Pats last year, which why all their whinging was beyond hysterical.
as with the tom brady incident it's pretty clear that goodell and co are shit regardless of your fandom
signed,
panthers fan
Cowboys are just criminals, they don't cheat at football.
Plus they don't play in the AFCE.
Letter from NFL to Cowboys.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2017/08/11/0ap3000000828569.pdf
Interesting read.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2017/08/11/0ap3000000828569.pdf
Interesting read.
One can only hope. Doubt they'll lose the division though.
Well in the cowboys fans defense (please shoot me for saying this); they really did fuck up josh brown as well.
So you could say after John Brown they're not going to fuck up.
Nydius
Member
I'd say the NFL painted themselves into a corner with the whole "6 games minimum!" claim but then I remember they didn't follow their own policy with Josh Brown so this just looks like another example of the NFL being inconsistent on their policies.
I don't hate Goodell (I don't like him either, I'm purely indifferent to him) but from where I sit this last decade of his "leadership" have caused considerable problems for the NFL as a whole. From the piss poor way the league has handled personnel discipline to the CTE/concussion issues that they kept trying to ignore until they could no longer ignore it, just seems to me Goodell has continually turned every issue into a blunder.
Unfortunately, the NFLPA can't really do much and Goodell knows it.
I'm going to set the over/under on total games suspended after appeal at 2.5. I'll take the over (guessing 3).
I don't hate Goodell (I don't like him either, I'm purely indifferent to him) but from where I sit this last decade of his "leadership" have caused considerable problems for the NFL as a whole. From the piss poor way the league has handled personnel discipline to the CTE/concussion issues that they kept trying to ignore until they could no longer ignore it, just seems to me Goodell has continually turned every issue into a blunder.
Unfortunately, the NFLPA can't really do much and Goodell knows it.
I'm going to set the over/under on total games suspended after appeal at 2.5. I'll take the over (guessing 3).
Tom Nook
Member
Thanks.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Just like with Brady, the NFL just punishes players regardless of what was determined in court... :/
Skellig Gra
Member
Josh Brown is a kicker no one knows about. Yes he's white but he's also a gnat. An old gnat on the last vapors of his career. Elliott is a future star and EVERYONE knows him. They can't let it slide when they are trying to court the female demographic. Anyone who thinks this is about "justice" or "proper punishment" is missing the big picture.
BadAss2961
Member
This should get reduced to 3 at the most. NFL knew this when they went with 6.
And there's still nothing concrete against Zeke as far as I know. Bulllshit suspension.
And there's still nothing concrete against Zeke as far as I know. Bulllshit suspension.
The_Inquisitor
Member
Yeah I don't understand this at all. If he has been cleared by authorities what could the NFL have possibly concluded?
SolidSnakex
Member
I'm not and the issue here even if we ignore that he wasn't convicted is that there's zero consistency when it comes to how the NFL punishes people for domestic violence. There's a set level of punishment if you violate their performance enhancing policy. First pop is 4 games, second is 10 games and the third is two seasons. As others have mentioned, Josh Brown admitted to domestic violence and only received one game. Ray Rice, had he actually been picked back up, would've only been suspended for two games. There was photographic evidence of Greg Hardy's abuse and he initially got 10 games and that was reduced to 4. Goodell just seems to make up shit on the fly when it comes to this issue.
elrechazado
Banned
Yeah ok. They screwed up collective bargaining. That this makes them useless in everything they've done since is childish hyperbole, but you knew that already.
Nfl network just talked about it. Incidents of abuse for 3 days.
https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/896057140112113664
BassForever
Member
But the policy is supposed to be first time violators 6 games MINIMUM, clearly that "minimum" only matters when the nfl feels it matters.
Player admits to domestic violence, is given a 1 game suspension
Player denies domies violence, charges are dropped due to lack of evidence and conflicting stories, is given a 6 game suspension
Without any context of either player, who they play for, the color of their skin, or what position they play, you would cry foul to the above. The suspensions look like they should be swapped with the player who had the bad look accusation getting a 1 game suspension and the guy admitting to it getting the 6 game minimum.
If he committed domestic violence he should be banned from the league and probably in prison. Not playing football for a few weeks is not a fitting punishment.
If he is not found guilty then he should receive 0 games of suspension and an apology from the league for damaging his reputation.
I don't see how carving a middle ground is appropriate. I guess it depends on the specifics of the assault charge (did he shove her into a couch like in The Room or something worse), but I have a hard time finding the league's verdict to be sensible.
If he is not found guilty then he should receive 0 games of suspension and an apology from the league for damaging his reputation.
I don't see how carving a middle ground is appropriate. I guess it depends on the specifics of the assault charge (did he shove her into a couch like in The Room or something worse), but I have a hard time finding the league's verdict to be sensible.
Saint Gregory
Member
If all that stuff in the letter is true then he got off pretty easy with only 6 games.
ISWThunder
Member
They concluded that the pictures of her injuries along with him lifting up a girl's shirt at a parade were proof enough. This isn't a court room. No such thing as reasonable doubt.
Id be very interested to see what Zeke's response was to the pictures. Did he ever talk about it publicly?
thanks for that, definitely changes my opinion on this situation though given prior history I'm still incredibly skeptical of Goodell and the NFL
Skellig Gra
Member
Nah, he isn't as good as people are saying. That O-Line is the real beast. Any decent running back can get 1k yards with that line.
Bitanator
Member
Yeah their entire oline was suspended and dez broke his foot again, Dak has chronic diarrhea for a month and Kellen Moore has to start.
They will be fine
Feel the Swift
Member
Skellig Gra
Member
For real, as a Giants fan its really exhausting.
BassForever
Member
So an unrelated incident to his dv case was used to prove photos that a prosecutors office deemed as inconclusive are conclusive of dv?
Should it though? We already know she liked and tried to get her friends to lie. Any form of "proof" presented by her should be seen as extremely suspect.
Cre8
You want a shot at the champ? [NG gif winner July 23]
Even with Zeke, That first six games is a killer 2-4 or 3-3 is at best...
It says it doesn't matter if you are charged with a crime as long as there is enough evidence that goes against the players code of conduct they will still suspend or banish you and there was evidence, even video evidence for 1 of the incidents.
It's like any other job if you do something they don't like / against their code of conduct they can get rid of you or suspend you even if the cops aren't involved.
ISWThunder
Member
No, he was suspended based on these separate incidents.
Part of the reason that the case couldn't go forward is that the witness was unreliable based on her statements to friends and that creates a reasonable doubt that no DA would touch. This isn't a court room. There is no reasonable doubt.
The NFL claims that they looked at the pictures, verified their date, had professionals look at them and interviewed the witnesses themselves. According to the NFL's investigation, there was no evidence that Zeke did not cause those injuries and, according to them, he broke the league's conduct policy.
According to the contract that Zeke himself signed, the NFL has every right to do that. It's a bullshit set up, but it's up to the NFLPA to do something about it in future negotiations. Until then, the NFL is doing everything they can to repair their image when it comes to DV.
hey let's keep all the facts straight. that'd be a 4 game suspension for nonstandard football pressure that was never actually concluded to be nonstandard.
yeah true like I said I remain skeptical of goodell and co given their past history of being absolute shit. there was also the st patty's day thing though I don't know anything about that incident beyond what was in the letter.
BadAss2961
Member
Not any decent running back is going to get you 1600+ yards in 15 games though.
The O-Line is a beast and he's pretty damn good too.
The Albatross
Member
As with Tom Brady, the league just makes up discipline as it goes along. The Brady suspension was ridiculous and this one looks like it might be too.
In both cases, the league has some secret, private investigation that they conduct behind closed doors, the league reviews it internally by the same group that does the investigation and gives the suspension, and then the appeal is reviewed by the same people who did the investigation and gave the suspension.
It's an absurd system, but in so far as that's the system the Players Union agreed to, that's the one they have. League is justified by the by-laws of the NFL to be the prosecution, the jury, the judge, and the executioner, but they have no integrity or credibility.
Zeke Elliot is every bit as good as people are saying. He's in a great spot and it's nice to see a great offensive player behind a great offensive line. Any decent running back can get 1,000 yards on that team, but there's only a select few backs who can get 1600 in 15 games, and Elliot is one of those select few.
friskykillface
Banned
Only Packers and Giants are good
Broncos, Cardinals is a toss up , even 🐐Jimmy beat the Cardinals in their own building
lol Rams, 49ers
I'd say they go 3-3 at worst if Zeke is doing the full 6 games
He'll get it reduced to 4 if he's found not guilty
BassForever
Member
But all those incidents were only able to be used against zeke because the nfl dragged it's heels for so long. I understand the point is that the nflpa fucked up and gave goodell too much power and he could suspend anyone for any reason he feels like. My point is there is no evidence zeke didn't cause or did cause those injuries, it's 100% conjecture and the nfl is just erring on the side of "well if we suspend him and it comes out he was innocent it'll be less of a bad look then if we don't suspend him and it turns out he did" which is what is gross.
elrechazado
Banned
Unbelievable logic. Don't prove someone did, force them to prove they didn't.
ISWThunder
Member
That's definitely the worst part. It was the NFL that screwed up initially. Now it's the players that get the short end of the stick so that they can repair the NFL's image.
Skellig Gra
Member
He is good but he's not the key to the season. Put him on the Jets and see how close he gets to 1600 yards.