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NHL February |OT| FIRE ALL THE THINGS
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CrazedArabMan
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KingHenrik30
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Ownership issues will keep them from adding a 7.8 million cap hit for the next 6 years
Nah. You're the one comparing a trade in retrospect to a proposed trade at the time it's made. Can't do that. So many trades that look balanced at the time they're made (filling different needs for each team) often end up looking absurd when players' careers go in different directions that couldn't have been predicted.
wsoxfan1214
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Please, please, please just fucking wreck the Preds tonight, Hawks.
Did I say please?
Did I say please?
KingHenrik30
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If a trade for nash is made, the assets coming back will be young, cheap, skilled and RFA protected or have a bunch of years left on their deals. That's just logic.
preds locker room will probably be too distracted by their move for rick nash
wsoxfan1214
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Wait, did I miss something about the Preds going for Nash?
Not too familiar with their prospects. What're they likely to offer?
And the return the players "commanded" were basically... mediocre, I would say. Although in the case of Heatley, he demanded a trade through the media and rejected a deal that would have sent him to Edmonton. Even so, what the Senators would get from Edmonton is basically shit.
CrazedArabMan
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Sef it pulling your leg.
wsoxfan1214
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That's what I figured. Been in class all day though, so I couldn't really check.
KernelPanic
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Heatley had a family friend in SJ front office, he would probably only accept a trade there. All SJ had to do is make the cap hit work.
Supposedly the original offer was Erhoff + Cheechoo, Ottawa at least held out for Michalek + Cheechoo.
Funny, the Edmonton trade looked like the best deal at the time, now it's the worst.
KingHenrik30
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I remember the Rangers' offer for Heater was:
Roszival + Zherdev + 1st rounder 09.
But then Murray wanted Dubi at the last minute and Sather wouldn't do it.
Roszival + Zherdev + 1st rounder 09.
But then Murray wanted Dubi at the last minute and Sather wouldn't do it.
KingHenrik30
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BTW, 2 columbus scouts in Boston tonight...
Thats 3rd game in a row CBJ personnel has watched the Rangers
Thats 3rd game in a row CBJ personnel has watched the Rangers
Analytical
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I would love a Vinny Prospal + Grant Clitsome combo to Boston at the trade deadline.
KingHenrik30
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Prospal just re-signed with Columbus with a Gentleman's agreement to join the front office in some capacity afterwards, he's not going anywhere.
KernelPanic
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I can see why we wanted Dubinsky, although the NYR pick in 09 turned out to be Chris Kreider which makes it a little interesting.
KingHenrik30
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Worked out well for both to be honest. We love Gabs, we signed him that summer, Kreider is awesome and Dubi is a heart and soul player. You guys got Michalek who is awesome.
If that's the case, then I only see Philadelphia, New York, and Toronto making a move for Nash by the deadline.
The Canucks and Kings would have to move out SIGNIFICANT salary in order for a move to acquire Nash.
Canucks have exactly, $772,506 in cap space today, and $779,506 at the deadline, to acquire anyone they wanted without moving salary. Which as you can see, likely won't happen.
Kings are in a bit better situation with $2,406,208 in cap space today, and $3,188,225 at the deadline to acquire without moving out salary. Still pretty significant.
The rest of the teams all have over 4 million in cap space by the deadline to fit in anyone. The Rangers and Leafs will both have around 6.9 million in cap space by the deadline.
I doubt the Rangers or Flyers will be willing to make major changes considering their position at the standings.
That leaves the Leafs, but even so, I doubt they would want to give up what Columbus wants for Nash.
This is more of an off-season deal. This type of deal is too complex to do by the deadline for a player with a high cap hit and 8 years left. In my opinion.
TemplaerDude
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Canucks have been in the same situation all year, we need to give up cash to take on cash, and I honestly don't feel like Gillis is willing to do that, nor do I think he should. Messing with team chemistry, when that team is currently fighting for first in the conference, is rarely a good idea.
I will gladly dream about the idea though.
I will gladly dream about the idea though.
Dastardly Jerks
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Holy shit. Does Columbus management just plain hate the fans or what? Nash was terrific in the 2010 olympics, compare THAT Nash to CBJ Nash and see the difference. Hell, he still scares me whenever the Ducks play him. Guaranteed points on his end.
Also I like Eklund rumours being posted in this thread. It's not like anybody takes them seriously, they provide another level of comedy relief.
You always make the same dumb post whenever a superstar is rumoured to be on the trading block. Give up, nobody fucking wants Ballard.
Rather a balding good-looker than anything resembling Anze 'Braaaains' Kopitar.
He's not, so please cease the whole 'Getzlaf being anything but a Duck' thing
I put it to you that the whole 'anyone except Teemu and Koivu' statement was just to get the fires lit underneath the players. Bob Murray doing some serious meta-coaching if you will. It's seemed to have paid off, no?
Yeah, but you don't want to alienate the fanbase you already have, and there's no doubt that not one of them would want Nash gone.
I'm still amazingly sour over Mason getting that over Bobby.
What was the video? YouTube is blocked at work.
Also I like Eklund rumours being posted in this thread. It's not like anybody takes them seriously, they provide another level of comedy relief.
You always make the same dumb post whenever a superstar is rumoured to be on the trading block. Give up, nobody fucking wants Ballard.
Rather a balding good-looker than anything resembling Anze 'Braaaains' Kopitar.
He's not, so please cease the whole 'Getzlaf being anything but a Duck' thing
I put it to you that the whole 'anyone except Teemu and Koivu' statement was just to get the fires lit underneath the players. Bob Murray doing some serious meta-coaching if you will. It's seemed to have paid off, no?
Yeah, but you don't want to alienate the fanbase you already have, and there's no doubt that not one of them would want Nash gone.
I'm still amazingly sour over Mason getting that over Bobby.
More than anything I just wanted a reason to post that video.
What was the video? YouTube is blocked at work.
Well:
And the Youtube clip was of a guy being dragged away to Detroit screaming.
I'm sure Gillis has the common sense not to make a play for Nash.. Let Toronto have him.
SuperSonic1305
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I wouldn't want Nash on the Leafs. 7+ million for a guy that would be on our second line is too much. We would have 2 deadly lines but that is just way too much for a team with overpriced pylons like Komisarek and Lombardi.
Wendel Clark
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Phaneuf deal was a steal from day one. Not sure what else he has to do to show how good he is.
Nash has 6 more points than Phaneuf this year btw smmfh
Nash has 6 more points than Phaneuf this year btw smmfh
Dastardly Jerks
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SuperSonic1305
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We should trade a 7th to Columbus for Lebda and then trade Lebda for Crosby.
Edler has the same amount of points as Nash, is better defensively than Phaneuf, and even he's not worth $6.5M per year.
How about a guy like Keith Ballard.. you know.. the guy you traded for.. more ample comparison considering both Phaneuf and Ballard were acquired via trades..
Not that I'm saying you gave up anything valuable but it's a better comparison rather than a guy you drafted..
Lone_Prodigy
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You would put Nash on the second line?
Ruutu is out 3-4 weeks. I guess he probably won't be traded.
Kessel and Lupul are ripping shit up on the wing together. Nash would be on a separate line. But he'd still be playing the same amount of minutes as them either way so the Leafs would basically have two first lines with zero first line centres.
Trading Grabner for Ballard was a TERRIBLE idea. I'd take that back in a second. What's your point?
SuperSonic1305
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Nash is a right winger and there is no way he would replace Kessel on the top line. Even if he played his off wing there is no way Lupul would be taken off that line either.
Phaneuf is overpaid but that doesn't mean the trade wasnt a steal for the Leafs. Phaneuf has been a good captain, a monster hitter, has played huge minutes every night and has helped bring the Leafs power play back to respectability plus he's finally going to put up a decent amout of points this year.
He will never be worth his contract but it's not a big deal as long as he continues to play well. The Leafs are way way better with Phaneuf than without him.
Have you guys never read any of his posts? Even Leafs-GAF can't take him seriously.
Phaneuf is a valuable player for sure, but I just can't see that trade as a "steal" when you've still got to pay him $2M more than he's worth. There's a reason why the Flames wanted him gone and they had to take on a bunch to do it.
If anyone mentions Penner leaving the Kings, you're damn well going to get a hopeful reaction out of me! one can dream
ActStriker
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Bruins were controlling pace until that penalty
Then the PK happens
Then the PK happens
Wendel Clark
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Edler's playing on one of the better teams, defensively and offensively. Much less stressing situation than Phaneuf. He also doesn't even play on the shutdown pairing. There is no doubt that Phaneuf is the leader on the Leafs while you can't even say the same about Edler on Vancouver's defense (Bieksa). Not to mention how Edler's physical play disappears when the going gets tough.
Anyone that would choose Edler over Phaneuf is being incredibly shortsighted. I feel sick comparing them.
No particular point really.
The problem is that no one knows exactly why the Flames wanted him gone.
Stajan eats up more than half of the cap space that Phaneuf left behind, and he's terrible. I guess they really wanted to bring back Jokinen.
EDIT: Maybe I should stop making fun of Flames reacquiring Jokinen. He is their top scorer after all...
KernelPanic
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Nash is the kind of player that every team in the NHL could use. Players that big who can score goals don't come along very often. You only have to look at the 2010 Olympics to see how good he can be.
I don't think they'll trade him, he's worth a lot more to them since he pretty much IS the franchise, how are they going to market the team ?(not that anyone will show up anyway).
It makes too much sense though, they're pissing millions away and I don't think Nash is going to lead them to anything, he doesn't seem that type of player.
The asking price will be insane, few teams have the assets and the cap space to make a run at him.
CrazedArabMan
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Curse my quick typing and not bothering to read what I write!!
Also I'm hoping the Wings can pull it off today, I know a few people who are going to the game, so they better win or they are going to be in a world of hurt!!
Dallas had played us hard the last two games, so I hope Detroit can put a 60 minute effort in tonight. However, more than likely they will suck for 40 and try to win the game in the last 20 giving me another heart attack after the last two games.
The only reason Edler isn't on the shutdown pairing is because he pairs better with Salo (who is not a shutdown guy). He is still, without question, better defensively than Phaneuf. And Edler is MORE physical during the playoffs, so I'm guessing you're just full of shit here.
They wanted him gone because his play deteriorated substantially after he signed the massive contract.
And Stajan signed a new contract after the trade. He was cheap when traded over.
ActStriker
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well fuck
Dastardly Jerks
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I couldn't care less about this game against the Wild. Just gonna view it via Twitter.
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