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[Jigsaah]

No.

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Yea you gotta kill robots in the bleachers in that fight. Ok I get's it. Still might need to play through again. Thanks though

 

[brap]

And yet nobody can prove me wrong

 

[decisions]

I think the best thing about Nier is the music. The first time I stepped out into the world and heard City of Lights my jaw dropped. It reminded me of "Moon" by Gabriela Robin aka Yoko Kanno of Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell fame (RIP Origa )

I did have a question...and maybe you can just DM me about this so as not to spoil anything, but how does her look and attractiveness play into the story? I may need to play through it again to get it.

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2B being attractive helps the player empathize with 9S as he falls in love with her and experiences sexual frustration and other "human" feelings he is not supposed to have; a famous quote from the game stems from this part of the story: "You're thinking about how much you want to **** 2B, aren't you?". Alternatively, because 2B is programmed to kill 9S, it makes sense that she is programmed to "attract" him as a means of getting the job done more easily.

 

[Danjin44]

And yet nobody can prove me wrong

Prove what!!? You just personally didn't like the game and rest of the people did. Seriously!!?

 

[Danjin44]

And yet nobody can prove me wrong

*Sorry for the double post*

 

[brap]

Prove what!!? You just personally didn't like the game and rest of the people did. Seriously!!?

I never played it because of all the horny virgins that just want to jerk off to her. And every time I ask why people like it nobody wants to tell me. Everybody gets all defensive like N-NO THERE'S TOTALLY OTHER REASON WHY I LIKE IT BESIDES BUTTS I JUST CAN'T TELL YOU!!!

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Now we're talking

I posted an imgur gallery.

 

[Dargor]

I posted an imgur gallery.

Then you're doing God's work, my friend.

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pretending to know what a imgur gallery is...

 

[Danjin44]

@ brap : I LOVE combat, story, characters and I especially fucking love the music. If the game doesn't interest you then it doesn't and that fine it your taste but do you really have to be like this?

 

[decisions]

@ brap : I LOVE combat, story, characters and I especially fucking love the music. If the game doesn't interest you then it doesn't and that fine it your taste but do you really have to be like this?

I'm pretty sure he's just trolling this thread in order to communicate that the problem I'm talking about is non-existent?

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

What does this post even mean? It's literally a contradiction. So you are saying that my friends would be foolish to write the game off because of the memes surrounding the character, and then dismiss the game in the exact manner that I am fearful people will. The whole point of my argument is that NieR is not a " weird japanese robot sex game", so people are doing a disservice by representing it as one with these "2Butt" memes and everything.



I feel like you're missing the point. This has little to do with people being afraid of expressing their sexuality. This has to do with people not wanting to invest money/time into a sexual gaming experience. If the main point of your game is that it's supposed to be arousing, I'm probably not going to play it, and I am certainly not going to invest my money/time in it. That doesn't mean I have some issue with my sexuality, maybe that's just not how I want to use it. However, the main point of NieR is not arousal, which is my whole point - that the game being is being falsely represented.

Your second paragraph seems to be arguing that most people would find women (in this context, 2B herself) attractive. I am not sure why you are arguing this, as I never assorted the contrary. 2B's hot as fuck, doesn't mean I would like people to go around and pretend that that is the sole focus of the game she's from.

I mean I dont see how people could see her design and mistake it as a sexual gaming experience. This is no hentai game or porn game, but I can see people taking issue with fan service.

Some people do not appreciate such elements in their entertainment. But I think it is interesting that some people would find something appealing and even arousing but yet despite liking it, even a lot, avoiding it.

I guess more conservative clothing could be offered as a dlc. Still if some people would prefer some characters were in sexier clothing, it would be odd for them to always avoid the fan service costumes.

Women dress sexy to attract men, men seem to prefer women when they do so unless in a society bound by prudish norms. While the characters in games are objects and lack shading realism, geometrically they are quite realistic.

Perhaps it is indeed an opinion of personal taste the dislike of fan service. But it seems to me given the high likelihood of finding such visually pleasing and appealing, it may be rooted in something like some sort of uncomfort either at the notion of expressing potentially sexual drives so openly or it could be uncomfort at being made to feel such toward fictional characters or objects.

 

[SoulUnison]

I mean, the character design is certainly something.

I played the game through to the end of the "final" route and it was fantastic - I still regularly put the soundtrack on at home - but that doesn't mean I wasn't actively ashamed of 2B's outfit literally the entire game.

 

[Isa]

Honestly its their loss. Not everything needs to appeal to everybody, and if someone is so fickle that a fine posterior is a barrier to entry, then its their issue. I'm perfectly fine with everything in the game, I feel like Taro makes games with people like me in mind. And that's something I can definitely appreciate. The whole package is stellar.

I'd wager if these people that are looking for such a petty excuse to forgo a game, then they weren't ever interested to begin with. Again, its their loss and closed minds. I'd hate to see Taro stifle his creative style just to try and placate a few moaners. Hell, I'd say that 2B may well be my favorite character this gen.

 

[Danjin44]

actively ashamed of 2B's outfit literally the entire game.

What exactly shameful about 2B’s cloths?

 

[SoulUnison]

What exactly shameful about 2B’s cloths?

C'mon. Like, you can have an in-universe attempt at an explanation all you want, but in the end it comes down to the fact that she's designed as a fetish object because that's what cynically sells. You can make or claim to be making all the meta-commentary on the subject you want, but the fact - at least for me - is that, in the end, the high concepts and legitimate artistic messages are diluted and cheapened by the fact that the player avatar is designed to be superficial eye candy with tits and panties prominently on display while the game tries to play seriously and asks you to take it as so.

 

[Jigsaah]

Spoiler

2B being attractive helps the player empathize with 9S as he falls in love with her and experiences sexual frustration and other "human" feelings he is not supposed to have; a famous quote from the game stems from this part of the story: "You're thinking about how much you want to **** 2B, aren't you?". Alternatively, because 2B is programmed to kill 9S, it makes sense that she is programmed to "attract" him as a means of getting the job done more easily.

That's awesome! I also do remember that now. Cool

 

[Danjin44]

C'mon. Like, you can have an in-universe attempt at an explanation all you want, but in the end it comes down to the fact that she's designed as a fetish object because that's what cynically sells. You can make or claim to be making all the meta-commentary on the subject you want, but the fact - at least for me - is that, in the end, the high concepts and legitimate artistic messages are diluted and cheapened by the fact that the player avatar is designed to be superficial eye candy with tits and panties prominently on display while the game tries to play seriously and asks you to take it as so.

I’m sorry but I never understand this entire concept behind having “sexy design = not able take the story and character seriously”.

 

[Kagero]

I think the sexual nature of the design was a double edge sword.

 

[Vlaphor]

Seriously, only one picture?

Gaf be slipping...

Shit, you're right.

Spoilered just for worksafeness

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I put this image here cause I think it's neat...but it aint 2B's front I'm into

 

[Cybrwzrd]

C'mon. Like, you can have an in-universe attempt at an explanation all you want, but in the end it comes down to the fact that she's designed as a fetish object because that's what cynically sells. You can make or claim to be making all the meta-commentary on the subject you want, but the fact - at least for me - is that, in the end, the high concepts and legitimate artistic messages are diluted and cheapened by the fact that the player avatar is designed to be superficial eye candy with tits and panties prominently on display while the game tries to play seriously and asks you to take it as so.

I don't find anything shameful or cringy about a woman dressing in a sexy manner. You can be both sexy and serious. Sex and sexuality are incredible things.

 

[Danjin44]

Spoiler

2B being attractive helps the player empathize with 9S as he falls in love with her and experiences sexual frustration and other "human" feelings he is not supposed to have; a famous quote from the game stems from this part of the story: "You're thinking about how much you want to **** 2B, aren't you?". Alternatively, because 2B is programmed to kill 9S, it makes sense that she is programmed to "attract" him as a means of getting the job done more easily.

Spoiler

There is also big possibly is that “*****” means “kill”. Don’t forget what Adam treasured most is “hate” and also dont forget who 9S was stepping when he was trying protect his memories. I think 9S both Loves her and hates her at the same time.

 

[Dargor]

Shit, you're right.

Spoilered just for worksafeness

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I put this image here cause I think it's neat...but it aint 2B's front I'm into

You did good, and boy were you right about putting this into spoilers lol. Someone might get fired if caught seeing this at work lol

 

[Jigsaah]

I mean, the character design is certainly something.

I played the game through to the end of the "final" route and it was fantastic - I still regularly put the soundtrack on at home - but that doesn't mean I wasn't actively ashamed of 2B's outfit literally the entire game.

I dunno, I feel that if you're an adult, it's fine to appreciate sex appeal in games and the like. I feel that the people who complain about these things though have multiple reasons although I feel not many of them have merit.

 

[decisions]

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There is also big possibly is that “*****” means “kill”. Don’t forget what Adam treasured most is “hate” and also dont forget who 9S was stepping when he was trying protect his memories. I think 9S both Loves her and hates her at the same time.

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Yes, there is that possibility. But even then, it would only be killing her "out of love". So either way I think that line is supposed to directly state the affection that 9S has built up for 2B by that point. This is one of the many catch 22 situations that composes 9S' tragedy. 9S knows that the only way he can keep his memories of 2B and free her from the cycle of killing him (because the love seems to be reciprocated) is by killing her. I think this dilemma is most directly supported by the fight with the 2B clones towards the very end of the game, where 9S says something like..."Don't worry 2B, I'm going to kill you now!" in a really pained voice. He knows that killing her is the only way to free her but is of course struggling with such a tragic contradiction. I guess the four letter word could also mean "free".

I agree that it is a love/hate thing.

 

[Danjin44]

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Yes, there is that possibility. But even then, it would only be killing her "out of love". So either way I think that line is supposed to directly state the affection that 9S has built up for 2B by that point. This is one of the many catch 22 situations that composes 9S' tragedy. 9S knows that the only way he can keep his memories of 2B and free her from the cycle of killing him (because the love seems to be reciprocated) is by killing her. I think this dilemma is most directly supported by the fight with the 2B clones towards the very end of the game, where 9S says something like..."Don't worry 2B, I'm going to kill you now!" in a really pained voice. He knows that killing her is the only way to free her but is of course struggling with such a tragic contradiction. I guess the four letter word could also mean "free".

I agree that it is a love/hate thing.

9S’s English voice actress was phenomenal in those moments.

 

[CatCouch]

C'mon. Like, you can have an in-universe attempt at an explanation all you want, but in the end it comes down to the fact that she's designed as a fetish object because that's what cynically sells. You can make or claim to be making all the meta-commentary on the subject you want, but the fact - at least for me - is that, in the end, the high concepts and legitimate artistic messages are diluted and cheapened by the fact that the player avatar is designed to be superficial eye candy with tits and panties prominently on display while the game tries to play seriously and asks you to take it as so.

It seems weird to me to put so much negative emphasis on something so many people clearly enjoy. I understand not liking it but It's obvious the game did well. It's well received. There's tons of fan art. I drew fan art for it!

It's not a flaw, that I can tell you. 2B's design isn't a mistake that should be corrected, it's a strong part of the whole. I'm not a fan of shaming for sexy designs. It saddens me art like 2B brings out such negative language against characters like her.

My best guess as to why this happens so often is there are two distinct groups that look at art differently. One side likes real world logic applied to most everything and the other fancies fantasy that's not constrained to real life, current culture views. I get the impression that fantsy leaning people are attracted to art careers more and the grounded side may be more likely to become critics which causes clashes like this. Factor in our social media climate and we end up in bigger fights. That's my take, at least. To me, opinions are fine, shaming crosses the line.

 

[strange headache]

I never played it because of all the horny virgins that just want to jerk off to her. And every time I ask why people like it nobody wants to tell me. Everybody gets all defensive like N-NO THERE'S TOTALLY OTHER REASON WHY I LIKE IT BESIDES BUTTS I JUST CAN'T TELL YOU!!!

Instead of spouting inane bullcrap about a game you haven't played and know nothing about, how about you actually start informing yourself before waltzing in here only to make sweeping generalizations about the people who liked playing the game?

There are tons of videos out there analyzing and explaining the game's philosophy, such as this one:



I don't know what's worse, your childish insecure preoccupation with others people's sexuality, or your self-imposed willful ignorance. In any case, doubling down on your insults won't do you any favor, grow up!

 

[Strife In a Teacup]

I got the game on X1X and beat it once so far. It has excellent gameplay, and that's definitely the reason I like it.

2B having tits and ass is just icing on the cake. I love both great gameplay and T&A. What's not to love about that combo?

Never seen some Boris Vallejo, or other fantasy art(Dungeons & Dragons)? Conan stories? Erotica is awesome.

Church is that way ------------>

 

[Jigsaah]

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There is also big possibly is that “*****” means “kill”. Don’t forget what Adam treasured most is “hate” and also dont forget who 9S was stepping when he was trying protect his memories. I think 9S both Loves her and hates her at the same time.

Ok now I definitely gotta play through this again. Wonder if I should buy the Xbox version. I wouldn't mind seeing this in 4k.

 

[Punished Miku]

I never played it because of all the horny virgins that just want to jerk off to her. And every time I ask why people like it nobody wants to tell me. Everybody gets all defensive like N-NO THERE'S TOTALLY OTHER REASON WHY I LIKE IT BESIDES BUTTS I JUST CAN'T TELL YOU!!!

It's your loss. People play it because it's a Yoko Taro game. The guy is a one of a kind writer/director and I will buy every single one of his games before I ever even see a character design.

Nobody wants to tell you anything about the story, because almost every aspect of the story is complex, dark, or a spoiler.

Also no one feels the need to sell this guy's stuff to a mainstream audience. It's purposely dark, and niche. If you're so curious about the game watch it online. Sounds like several people have already told you it's a great game and you refuse to listen to them.

The first NieR had the same cult following, and this was the main character.

 

[Danjin44]

Ok now I definitely gotta play through this again. Wonder if I should buy the Xbox version. I wouldn't mind seeing this in 4k.

The game leaves it to your interpretation, both me and decisions could be right or totally off the mark, but what I like about the game that it doesn't over explain it and just leaves it to you to decide.

 

[Vlaphor]

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There is also big possibly is that “*****” means “kill”. Don’t forget what Adam treasured most is “hate” and also dont forget who 9S was stepping when he was trying protect his memories. I think 9S both Loves her and hates her at the same time.

I thought I read somewhere that particular meant something different in the original Japanese release. The way the asterisks was used means something different in Japanese than in English or something like that, so the meaning of the scene is different.

 

[Durask]

in the end it comes down to the fact that she's designed as a fetish object

What's wrong with that?

 

[kevin_trinh]

I respect Yoko Taro as a writer, but director? Meh, i cant stand his fking bullet hell love. The amount of time i need to play bullet hell in this game was too much, and i fking hate it. And don't forget, Yoko Taro does not know how to make good gameplay, Platinum does.

 

[wipeout364]

I think 2B is an amazing character design easily one of my favorite game character designs from this generation. I honestly am unclear how more exposure to her can be bad. Just look at her she’s amazing. Ivy is no slouch either but she is 2 generations ago.

 

[decisions]

9S’s English voice actress was phenomenal in those moments.

Oh yeah totally. Straight up one of the best VA performances of all-time in gaming. I hope to see Kyle McCarley in a ton of games in the future.

 

[Danjin44]

I think 2B is an amazing character design easily one of my favorite game character designs from this generation. I honestly am unclear how more exposure to her can be bad. Just look at her she’s amazing. Ivy is no slouch either but she is 2 generations ago.

It just my opinion but I wish 2B was the main crossover character in SCVI so we could see both 2B and Ivy in cover art.

 

[SoulUnison]

What's wrong with that?

Nothing, I guess, if you're not also trying to tell a story that wants to be taken seriously while simultaneously trying to reap the benefits of ultimately toothless commentary on the meta nature of your character's design aesthetics.

 

[MayauMiao]

If it wasn't for 2B's butthole controversy I wouldn't have paid attention to the game. What sold me was the gameplay, her butt was cherry on top.

 

[Danjin44]

Nothing, I guess, if you're not also trying to tell a story that wants to be taken seriously while simultaneously trying to reap the benefits of ultimately toothless commentary on the meta nature of your character's design aesthetics.

Again, you can still have sexy character design and still have serious story. If you personally can’t take the story seriously because sexy character design then I’m sorry but that mostly your problem not the game.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

If it wasn't for 2B's butthole controversy I wouldn't have paid attention to the game. What sold me was the gameplay, her butt was cherry on top.

 

[brap]

how about you actually start informing yourself before waltzing in here only to make sweeping generalizations about the people who liked playing the game?

I don't want to spoil myself and people on 4chan wouldn't help me either. Just post her dumb butt so I just assumed it was some shitty game that people only like because the main character. Wasn't implying people on here were horny virgins but I guess it sounded that way.

It's your loss. People play it because it's a Yoko Taro game. The guy is a one of a kind writer/director and I will buy every single one of his games before I ever even see a character design.

Nobody wants to tell you anything about the story, because almost every aspect of the story is complex, dark, or a spoiler.

Also no one feels the need to sell this guy's stuff to a mainstream audience. It's purposely dark, and niche. If you're so curious about the game watch it online. Sounds like several people have already told you it's a great game and you refuse to listen to them.

The first NieR had the same cult following, and this was the main character.

Too bad because Yakuza and Nier are both mainstream now. They're everywhere. And I never listen to people when they tell me that something is a great game. If I did I'd be playing Assassin's Creed and Smash Bros.

 

[Danjin44]

I don't want to spoil myself and people on 4chan wouldn't help me either. Just post her dumb butt so I just assumed it was some shitty game that people only like because the main character. Wasn't implying people on here were horny virgins but I guess it sounded that way.

Thats true with any game with with beautiful character design. Have seen Overwatch's fan arts? its insane

 

[brap]

Thats true with any game with with beautiful character design. Have seen Overwatch's fan arts? its insane

Yeah, but it's a multiplayer shooter so I'd never ask anybody why they like it.

 

[Danjin44]

Yeah, but it's a multiplayer shooter so I'd never ask anybody why they like it.

Just watch some reviews and some gameplay footage and Judge the games yourself.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Instead of spouting inane bullcrap about a game you haven't played and know nothing about, how about you actually start informing yourself before waltzing in here only to make sweeping generalizations about the people who liked playing the game?

There are tons of videos out there analyzing and explaining the game's philosophy, such as this one:



I don't know what's worse, your childish insecure preoccupation with others people's sexuality, or your self-imposed willful ignorance. In any case, doubling down on your insults won't do you any favor, grow up!

This is what makes the game the best game in at least 2 generations. Watching this will spoil the game for you. You have been warned.

Spoiler: Are you sure you want to be spoiled?

Spoiler: Are games silly little things?

Spoiler: Are you sure you wish to continue

Also it has some of the most amazing music in gaming. And incredible fan covers.

 

[Danjin44]

This is what makes the game the best game in at least 2 generations. Watching this will spoil the game for you. You have been warned.

Spoiler: Are you sure you want to be spoiled?

Spoiler: Are games silly little things?

Spoiler: Are you sure you wish to continue

Nice touch!!!

 

[Viliger]

I never played it because of all the horny virgins that just want to jerk off to her. And every time I ask why people like it nobody wants to tell me.

I don't want to spoil myself and people on 4chan wouldn't help me either. Just post her dumb butt so I just assumed it was some shitty game that people only like because the main character. Wasn't implying people on here were horny virgins but I guess it sounded that way.

So let me get this straight. You want people to tell you why the game is great but you don't want to get spoiled? From the gameplay perspective the game is not that amazing, it does some neat things at here and there, but those will be spoilers. And you don't want to get spoiled, right? Also, ironic, coming from someone who is named "brap".

 

[brap]

So let me get this straight. You want people to tell you why the game is great but you don't want to get spoiled? From the gameplay perspective the game is not that amazing, it does some neat things at here and there, but those will be spoilers. And you don't want to get spoiled, right? Also, ironic, coming from someone who is named "brap".

Yeah, I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box.

 

[hariseldon]

"Sex sells" isn't some golden rule that has a 1:1 correlation. Last I checked Senran Kagura and DOA aren't the world's best selling gaming franchises. I have some hardcore gaming friends who I think would love what NieR has to offer in terms of plot and gameplay, but instead write the game off as fanservicey and call her "2Butt". These memes aren't really selling the game to people looking for a legitimately good video game, which is sad because NieR so undoubtedly is one.

You need new friends. If they make a judgement on something so superficial, and aren't sufficiently secure in themselves to cope with looking at an attractive character on a screen, they're probably not the target audience. Not everything is made for everyone.

I feel like you're missing the point. This has little to do with people being afraid of expressing their sexuality. This has to do with people not wanting to invest money/time into a sexual gaming experience. If the main point of your game is that it's supposed to be arousing, I'm probably not going to play it, and I am certainly not going to invest my money/time in it. That doesn't mean I have some issue with my sexuality, maybe that's just not how I want to use it. However, the main point of NieR is not arousal, which is my whole point - that the game being is being falsely represented.

Your second paragraph seems to be arguing that most people would find women (in this context, 2B herself) attractive. I am not sure why you are arguing this, as I never assorted the contrary. 2B's hot as fuck, doesn't mean I would like people to go around and pretend that that is the sole focus of the game she's from.

I mean clearly it IS to do with being afraid of sexuality, and having a strange and uncomfortably prudish attitude towards it. Sex isn't sinful you know, it's pleasurable, to be enjoyed. And no it's not a sexual gaming experience, or at least not for me. If you get your jollies that way, good on you, who am I to judge? But to call it universally a sexual experience is indicative that perhaps your friends aren't the problem, that perhaps you're projecting your own prudishness onto them?