Byakuya769
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Nikkei Blog: JPN companies are cancelling all Vita titles for 3DS, Sony: Not true
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What does that mean? You admit to saying something stupid?
Father_Brain
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I also imagine that a number of unannounced 3DS titles (most likely from Western publishers) were cancelled due to hardware sales, though I don't think any of the publicly known cancellations can be primarily attributed to that.
Metallix87
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Neither of these will have that big of an impact anymore.
Sales in Japan have been pretty bad and the marketing in the US has been abysmal.
StreetsAhead
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It is pretty concerning that a brand new platform would do sub 20k in Japan for as long as it has.
To put it in perspective,
1) The only week before the price-drop that 3DS sold worse here than Vita was the week before the price drop.
2) PSP has outsold Vita by ~30,000 units so far this year.
Nintendo realeases Monster hunter 4 when vita gets 3. When vita releases a exclusive final fantasy, nintendo relaeases pokemon for 3DS... and nobody would even remember that week in japan that final fantasy came out.
Ohh.. that would be such a d*** move by Nintendo.
Super Smash Bro
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All of the public cancellations were pre-crisis mode, all of the delays afterwards, IIRC
Byakuya769
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Not a totally fair comparison since 3ds had the field virtually to itself. Vita is out against a much cheaper same gen competitor.
lol
DCharlie
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*shrug* or treat it for what it is - an unnamed third hand sourced statement with absolutely no named parties on it at all.
It's pretty clear battle lines have been drawn here and there's a theme between those who have bought into it and those that haven't.
This subject is going to be a complete black hole because there's absolutely nowhere for the discussion to go.
... jesus fuck.
TheNatural
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Final Fantasy isn't what it used to be, just look at the last one released. Any Monster Hunter game eventually for Vita could be after two were already released for 3DS.
The same conditions as to why the PSP at least survived and had some success aren't in effect anymore with 3DS vs. Vita. Without making some huge limitations, the DS could barely do games that had 3D environments. Sony capitalized because they were the default choice for a developer that did those types of games. Now there's no such advantage. There's no such advantage of having a major property exclusive to them either. They're on an island all alone with no help.
StreetsAhead
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Next Pokemon mainline release will be in September.
(I edited my post slightly) You're right. It's not entirely fair. Vita should still be doing better than it is though.
lunchwithyuzo
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Well, not no named parties. Kiyoshi Shin put his name on the article and the sourcing, that's presumably what helps lend credibility.
Duxxy3
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Then the betrayalton will come later.
Come on, the 3DS dropped quite a bit too after launch, with only ports (OOT3D and SF643D) in the pipeline for the next few weeks. I know the degree to which the 3DS dropped wasn't as serious as the Vita, iirc 18k vs 13k minimum respectively, but don't write off the Vita yet. The first year for the 3DS was pretty atrocious too until the MHTriG/MK7/3DLand combo. Wait until the first year + TGS to pass before passing judgement on the Vita.
tldr The 3DS was crap for the first year, the Vita is also crap for first year. Don't write off the Vita yet
TheNatural
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The first year for 3DS isn't even over yet and Nintendo knew it had the combo to save it ready for the holidays and they also had the leverage to make a price drop. Sony has neither. Anyone with common sense knew that Nintendo could dig out of that hole, just as anyone with common sense now knows barring some sort of miracle Sony cannot.
Byakuya769
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I hate posting this image but...
Haha. The pic is apt though. Sony knew the conditions on the ground when they released the vita. I really wish we could know their internal targets.
Lord Ghirahim
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It'd better be amazing if they want to compete with the 3DMario-2DMario-MarioKart-MonsterHunter-LovePlus-Pokemon machine.
lunchwithyuzo
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Or if it's like Wonderswan, Dreamcast, Gamecube, Xbox 360, etc, the game just won't come at all.
IMO it would be wrong for Kiyoshi Shin to specifically name the company and just out them like that. *shrugs*
Wat. The 360 has gears and halo.
Pureauthor
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They were discussing Japanese sales. MonHun didn't save the PSP in the West after all.
Lord Ghirahim
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1139 systems sold last week in Japan.
woops I totally forgot that.
Vanillalite
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They meant for Japan since that's the territory in discussion.
Vita doesn't have Mario rehashes to bail it out.
Super Smash Bro
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Shots fired
Exactly, the killer app could be anything. Perhaps FIFA for the EU launch or maybe some new IP that will emerge out of nowhere.
I'm just saying wait before making judgement on the Vita. And I agree. Personally, Nintendo always will be have successful handhelds because of Pokemon. They've got a hold on plenty of people's balls, mine included.
Can't deny that.
Lord Ghirahim
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I knew I was forgetting something.
walking fiend
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The only other game that big, is DQ, and it seems to be a Nintendo exclusive atm
It wasn't negative. I love 3D Land. Mario/Kart bailed 3DS out, its undeniable.
TheNatural
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I don't have to wait, I already know what's going to happen. If Sony wants to big relevant again in a big way, they're going to have to stop acting like it's the year 2000 and they dictate the marketplace because they put out a high end electronics product that can do everything. Things have changed.
It goes to the highest userbase, which happens to be Nintendo systems, at the moment. Nintendo is doing a lot to try to promote it outside of Japan, though. Same with Monster Hunter.
Mariah Carey
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Um, is it just me, or does Sony's rebuttal read more like a damn confirmation? There's a lot of weaselly language he's using. I feel like every statement has a redacted "yeah, but...." at the beginning.
I knew from the moment DS successor rumors began popping up that I'd be picking one up sooner or later for pokemon. Is that a bit sad? A grown man in his mid 20s, a slave to pocket monsters.
TheNatural
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Byakuya769
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Yep.
Fantastical
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I think it's the "rehashes" that may be seen negatively.
walking fiend
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ha, yes; I have heard this before; I don't see a sony, or any other Platform bar maybe GREE, having larger installed based than a Nintendo system in Japan in mid-term future.
Vita's tragic situation was that it has not a single probable game outside MH that could save it; and now even that single saviour is gone. And the rest of the games, are either Nintendo 1st 2nd party, or already with a wide enough installed base to safely switch to 3DS with its larger installed based.
It was the italian plumber stimulus package
Well the way you worded that ... you're not too far off from every red blooded male.
Charging the same amount as the 3DS launch shows they aren't trying to dictate prices. Going to $200 wouldn't be doing them any favors, they would still be at a higher price than the competition and taking a bigger hit. They have the better hardware and a decent line up. The word of mouth and broad hype is what they're missing, but what you can prove to consumers is limited when the platform is only months old.
lunchwithyuzo
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TheNatural
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Well that's kind of the point. They made their business plan around putting all this expensive shit into the system, a lot of which is completely unnecessary to what they need to succeed at least, and then if they can't cut the price when it goes bad - then tough shit. It's too late. They made the fucked up business plan, so one way or the other, price cut or no price cut, they're going to lose money.
This isn't about better hardware and a "decent" lineup. It's not like someone just accidentally gets lucky into selling a product, it happens for a reason, and Sony has none of those reasons. It's just the end result of a lot of bad planning like a lot of what they do.
StreetsAhead
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As someone who's going to spend much of my free time this year scouring 2ch for corocoro scans, I feel I'm in the same boat.