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Ninja Gaiden II: The Official GAF Thread of Chaos
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goldenpp72
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no dude the auto aim follows it the entire time, its obscenely easy
Shadow Moses
Member
Just completed Mentor. I love the new outfit. 
OnBackOrder
Member
This stage looks so amazing.
sixteen-bit
Member
shiiitOnBackOrder said:
This stage looks so amazing.
I know, off-screen and all that, but damn, really need to calibrate my tv
Shadow Moses
Member
love it.
Victrix said:
While picking up the arrows maybe. It's not a boss that really requires the lock-on camera so it's hard to say for sure.
Edit: A winner is you! That was definitely why they weren't connecting.
Also! Just completed the game. So, so satisfying. Don't know what to say that hasn't already been said. Thanks everyone who gave me tips for the last bosses, I literally couldn't have done it without you.
And I am a Dragon Sword Master
Now for warrior, and the tests of valor.
I know there is a general consensus that the bosses in this game are terrible. But I want to chime in here that the final form of the last boss is one of the worst I have ever played in any game. He literally is designed in a way that you cannot even hit him at all until he "decides" to be vulnerable. Problem is that sometimes he doesnt even decide that. I've been watching him fly around for what feels like 10 minutes and all I can do is dodge with no remote possibility of anything. WTF is this. I respect Team Ninja, but this is pure shit in every possible way.
I've beaten him before, and he really isnt all that hard....when he decides to land on the ground for awhile so you can hit him. Just very poorly designed and not fun to fight at all.
I've beaten him before, and he really isnt all that hard....when he decides to land on the ground for awhile so you can hit him. Just very poorly designed and not fun to fight at all.
I pretty much agree with you. That 2nd form is just not fun to fight. Like Draft said though, if you stick by his right hand when he's hanging off the edge of the cliff (There is a little section just beyond his hand that juts out a little farther then the rest of the cliff) you can pretty much avoid his white beam attack and most of the fist smash attacks. It's not foolproof but it certainly helped me out a fair bit.
The last boss(es) didn't bug me much really. I felt they were more of a real-time cutscene than any sort of serious fight. The first form goes down rapidly once you realize you don't actually have to aim the arrows, and the last fight is really just an exercise in patience.
Plus, 10-14 was just just one solid run of awesomeness.
Incidently, screwing around some more now that I'm more relaxed and I'm finding that a _lot_ of stuff can be blocked. Even really huge big boss attacks. Throws and stomps are the only attacks that seem to consistently go through your guard, and those can be dodged or jumped out of. Nuclear explosion? No problem, block it. 25 foot tall demon swinging his fist? Put your blade up and strike a pose!
Plus, 10-14 was just just one solid run of awesomeness.
Incidently, screwing around some more now that I'm more relaxed and I'm finding that a _lot_ of stuff can be blocked. Even really huge big boss attacks. Throws and stomps are the only attacks that seem to consistently go through your guard, and those can be dodged or jumped out of. Nuclear explosion? No problem, block it. 25 foot tall demon swinging his fist? Put your blade up and strike a pose!
Shadow Moses
Member
The ones with the chainsaw and canon gun? If so mash yyy with the Scythe. It takes them out quickly.
DancingJesus
Banned
I think I'm going to give up on Mentor. I know I can beat it, but it's just not fun anymore. I'm about midway through and it's starting to feel like work rather than entertainment. Everything resorts to spamming Izuna Drop, Flying Swallow, or Guillotine throw and gets super old. On Warrior I can mix it up, use all the weapons and go for more style than substance.
Who knows though, I may take a shot back at it in a month or so but for now I'll replay the weapon achievements on Warrior.
Who knows though, I may take a shot back at it in a month or so but for now I'll replay the weapon achievements on Warrior.
DancingJesus said:
It's difficulty is more annoying than satisfying, itagaki over does it to the point that you don't wanna replay it, again due to cursing and stressing over it the first time of barely beating it...and like you say it becomes work, then pure enjoyment.
This time NG2 didn't require skill, but persistence and luck. NG1 required right timing, skill and thinking to win.
NG2 imo, seems rushed, (itagaki leaving played a part, most likely) and instead of trying they just throw in countless of bosses to make up for the shit story and low ideas.
reminded me of DMC2.
RattleHead_
Member
huh? Care to explain how it's luck not skill?Malik said:
The Librarian
Banned
I am at the final boss, well, second to final. I am at the arch fiend and I won't be trying again for at least a couple of days. Why? Because of that goddamn fucking glitch that happens at the second area you climb up to. The boss is suppose to hit the wall with his fucking tail, but each time the tail just swings through it as though it were not even there.
Fuck Other than that, I love the game.
Fuck
Other than that, I love the game.RattleHead_ said:
there was no real stragedy to kill the bosses, like in NG1..no real pattern of attack. One could just stick to the most powerful weapon and beat them down.
this was the case with me, just keep attacking and dodging what's obvious. NG2 had more enemies attacking at you..hell alot more....the only thing one does is just go nutz and button mash and if your lucky you kill them.
like i said, just felt rushed. seriously, what was with the constant boss battles, every next step...another big battle with a boss takes place, you see RYU give the same cheesy stare and boom, next boss...repeat and repeat.
the storyline was horrible, expecially for a ninja game...it could have been much more epic.
The boss design could have been much more better and metal fish with a human face..WTF?
but whatever, its my opinion.
the gameplay of course is still superb as i stated b4..shame.
let's talk about NG1 for a bit:Malik said:
NG1 biggest problem was the dragon sword total domination, you can see here they tried to make each weapon useful.
there is also the cheap wall flipping attack which you can also see how they tried to eliminate it as much as possible.
as for a mid boss fight and fights in general, hey it's an action game, i don't want to endlessly backtrack or solve some retarded puzzle.
story? as bad as it ever was, it was better for me but who cares.
DancingJesus
Banned
I actually found the storyline to be more coherent and better than NG1. :lol
(That isn't saying much though).
(That isn't saying much though).
McDragon said:
to each there own, but NG black was a MUCH harder game overall..of obvious reasons, regarding those factors you mentioned. the countless thrown in bosses felt cheap, considering it's a popular ninja game and KNOWING how cool ninja's are and there overall history, an epic story COULD have been formed, but team ninja lack that, IMO.
NG2 you only needed 2 weapons to dominate the game' the claws or the reaper stick (forgot its name). Most bosses could be destroyed with that.
also wish the last few levels of background detailed was done in the first few levels. oh well.
sixteen-bit
Member
:lolMalik said:
oh Malik, you so crazy.
AgentOtaku
Member
So guys think Tecmo will ever move ahead with a Sigma version of NG2 for PStriple? ...since they own they IP and they've already done it once
I'm not trying to stir anything up....I honestly wanna know what you guys think, more over, do you think NG2 would benefit from it?
I'm not trying to stir anything up....I honestly wanna know what you guys think, more over, do you think NG2 would benefit from it?
Yes, I'm practically certain that they will. MS doesn't own the game, they just published it. There is probably an exclusivity window of a year or something, and when that is up, it will get ported.AgentOtaku said:
The game has technical issues out the ass. If a PS3 port eliminates the pervasive frame drops and in-level loading, then of course, NG2 benefits.
It is a real shame, because the more I play it, the more its superiority over Black comes through. The weapon diversity, the OTs, the larger more dangerous groups of enemies- this is next gen Ninja Gaiden, but it's nearly crippled by performance issues.
a Master Ninja
Member
I'd buy it in a heartbeat but...Draft said:
...I'd wager the details of the publishing contract weren't that short term.Draft said:
AgentOtaku
Member
Guess I won't bother waiting then....still gotta play through NG:S first though
Beat the game today just a few minutes ago. I knew the second form was incoming, but I could see how a lot of people would be pissed by that faux ending :lol
Great game overall though. Thought the final battle was easier than a lot of people ere saying. Played on Warrior, so I'll probably have my ass handed to me on mentor.
Great game overall though. Thought the final battle was easier than a lot of people ere saying. Played on Warrior, so I'll probably have my ass handed to me on mentor.
For those who never get the auto-aim to work with the bow, I know what the problem is - your left analog stick.
Mine which I've had from launch sticks slightly to the left if I left all the way left and let it go sometimes - I can recenter it if I notice it sticks, but it makes auto-aiming on the ground (mid-air auto aim works fine as direction-pressing won't change it)...
With his first form, I can beat him perfect without a scratch - and this was with always manually aiming to his head... so when I also heard a good while back about people using auto-aimed fully-charged bows to his head, I tried it after making sure that the stick was centered, and went "whoa"...
A boss I could already perfect got even easier.
And I don't see NG2 coming to PS3 period - with MS having the publishing rights wrapped up, I don't see them letting Tecmo out of the contract at all - Tecmo isn't even in a position to bargain anytime soon either...
Now you're talking nonsense.
Mine which I've had from launch sticks slightly to the left if I left all the way left and let it go sometimes - I can recenter it if I notice it sticks, but it makes auto-aiming on the ground (mid-air auto aim works fine as direction-pressing won't change it)...
With his first form, I can beat him perfect without a scratch - and this was with always manually aiming to his head... so when I also heard a good while back about people using auto-aimed fully-charged bows to his head, I tried it after making sure that the stick was centered, and went "whoa"...
A boss I could already perfect got even easier.
And I don't see NG2 coming to PS3 period - with MS having the publishing rights wrapped up, I don't see them letting Tecmo out of the contract at all - Tecmo isn't even in a position to bargain anytime soon either...
Malik said:
Now you're talking nonsense.
Spruce Moose
Member
Getting old sucks. I'm stuck at the Chapter 3 boss on Acolyte.
*shame*
Damn these aging hands and eyes.
*shame*
Damn these aging hands and eyes.
The Librarian
Banned
That one was a bitch to get. I used the piercing void ninpo to help me get rid of those huge T-Rex looking machine things.Glix said:
Dax01 said:
EDIT: You may be thinking of TOV 5, not 6, that is the one with the BRUTAL ED-209 walkers
With a fully leveled up Sycthe, those guys aren't THAT much trouble, its the bastards with the rocket launchers that are driving me nuts.
I'm playing on warrior, BTW.
If I try and chuck explosive shrunkiens, they auto target the walkers cuz they are closer
I use the fire ninpo, because it takes out more targets.
I have a 1 herb, 1 grains, and one Life of the Gods, but I'm trying to save the LOTG for the boss.
RattleHead_
Member
That fight was a real pain in the ass , not looking forward to it on my warrior run. Not sure if auto aim works on this boss as I didn't know about auto aim at the time so I was just manually aiming. If auto aim does work, that should make him a lot easier.Spruce Moose said:
His electric balls and mini me attacks are impossible to completely avoid (at least for me they were) so just dodge as much as you can, they shouldn't do too much damage.
His giant blue face attack is the most powerful, continuous dash jumping and you should be able to avoid it.
I think the most important thing in this fight is to just keep your distance as much as possible. As long as you don't touch him or get hit by the giant blue face attack you should be able to slowly grind him down.
RattleHead_ said:
In the case of the last boss, there is no way to "force" him to get on the ground and vulnerable. It's just about getting lucky and hoping that he does. Seems like even the designers did a "holy shit you cant beat this guy" near the end of development, and gave him a move of him merely walking around like an idiot so you could deliver some damage. Too bad this move sometimes glitches out and he ends up walking 20 feet in the air and impossible to get to
Generally there is little satisfaction in beating any of the bosses. Sometimes you'll nail them with a combo that takes a quarter to half life in one sweep, sometimes they'll attack right through it and nail you with some of the longest throws ever seen in an action game. The bow only ones depend on you hoping that auto aim works properly when it often doesnt (depending on where the boss is). There are few patterns to look for besides dodge 10 hit string combo and then retaliate, and/or then dodge the throw. Many attacks have little wind up and small dodge windows, yet are immediately devastating.
Its not really surprising. DoA series had some horrible bosses too. And Ninja Gaiden 2's AI and bosses are somewhat similar to the AI and bosses added to Black and Sigma. They have a fantastic combat system, but I dont think they know how to always make fights "fun." Credos in DMC4 is more fun than any boss in NG2
Spruce Moose
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ElyrionX said:
Oh I didn't know that, thanks! I'll have another crack at him this afternoon, but right now I should keep working on the landscaping project outside. Yuk.
All of the bosses have patterns and all of them are fun to fight. Even the robo face worm has its own retarded charm.Future said:
BTW you can injure the second form Archfiend when he's hanging on the edge of the cliff, and you can probably shoot him while he's hovering around, though I didn't try. You don't have to wait for him to walk around.