Little Green Yoda
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More importantly, is that a confirmation of Tri G coming over?
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Nintendo 2011/2012 Fiscal Meeting 26/04 [Update: Full Notes In OP, DD System, More]
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Well if you have two systems and don't trade, or like Nintendo says:
If share games with family members and they have their own system, then it's no longer possible.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
It's one of those things where you kind of feel sorry for him, but the level of stupidity it takes to post such a thing is chuckle-worthy.
Then I picture some poor guy crying in his basement because he can't post on GAF during E3, and I get a bit depressed.
Aw damn.
I feel kinda bad.The stuff he said about Monster Hunter and Fire Emblem doesn't mean what we want it to mean. I am sad.
Do we know that yet? Just heard about the MH news myself.
If so imma be sad again.
Well if you have two systems and don't trade, or like Nintendo says:
If share games with family members and they have their own system, then it's no longer possible.
I think that has more to do with not being able to pass around SD cards with games, not that you can't perform system transfers anymore.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Maybe you should read the actual transcript ... the tweets are a mess.
If Nintendo want people to buy into digital distribution more they definitely need to give consumers a greater sense of permanence with their purchases. The idea that even if you lose the system or it breaks you'll have no trouble whatsoever recovering your games. That it'd take the closure of Nintendo itself for you to ever run the risk of losing what you bought.
Fimbulvetr
Member
So the quote about digital goods being tied to specific hardware is only in reference to the 3DS? Is that certain? If so, I'm glad. Thanks for the clarification.
It's mostly a matter of convenience, yes, but as you point out there's also the issue of the long term; I'd like to have some assurance that any digital content I purchase will work with nintendo systems down the line. I guess I'm not willing to assume that as a given yet. In the end, on the 3DS it's something I can shrug off if the content is offered at a low enough price.
It's mostly a matter of convenience, yes, but as you point out there's also the issue of the long term; I'd like to have some assurance that any digital content I purchase will work with nintendo systems down the line. I guess I'm not willing to assume that as a given yet. In the end, on the 3DS it's something I can shrug off if the content is offered at a low enough price.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
I guess... But if they're family they can always pass the 3DS with the game one wants to play... Which I guess is a problem if one 3DS has different games more people want to play at once but eh, you can't differentiate between family and other people that would just attempt to share the games to pay less. Like if that was allowed we could have a GAF account that everyone donated a game or two on and everyone could play them, lol (ok GAF wouldn't do that I'm sure but other communities, online or local, could do this in small or large numbers, as long as they trusted each other not to change the password and keep it to themselves, lol, though that could also be avoided depending on the process needed to change password - like e-mail requirement - so one trustworthy person could be chosen to hold the keys to it)... And a normal account system could block the same functionality by only allowing it to be active on one system at a time so again you couldn't play more than one game tied to that account at the same time, even if you could do so on a different device. Like Sony allows a handful of systems (I think) it could be reduced to 1.
But an account you login to wouldn't guarantee future compatibility either, maybe your account would include the games but the new machine couldn't necessarily play them... Just as the current system didn't disallow that for the DSiWare which can be transferred to 3DS. Actually in that way the current system is the same in functionality, maybe you could do a transfer of the account to the next machine but again it might not play everything, like they could cut DSiWare support from 3DS2/4DS (lol) and only have 3DS backward compatibility in functionality, like the Wii U is cutting GameCube support but keeping Wii...
Most things in this presentation seems believable and current/forward thinking.
However, I will eat my hat if this is true unless they mean that in terms of A.) sheer existence of titles or B.) almost all Japanese supporting drying up to the point that Petz: Dogs and some b-tier/c-tier outsourced side games count as same quality support.
Edit:
Oh, oh, they probably mean Nintendo games.
You know, the clearest reading of Iwata's presentation would seem to say that downloadable "retail" titles will only be offered for sale at retailers -- and not the eShop. If that's not the case, then
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make little to no sense.
The second image is shown "in contrast" to the first. The first would be Nintendo directly selling titles on the eShop. The second shows Nintendo not selling titles on the eShop.
To me that just says that they have to handle things like credit card fees when they do digital sales, whereas they sell a product to retailers and then the retailer handles everything else related to it once they own it.
Yeah that's about how you can't pass a cartridge around to your family or friends once you're done with it.
Edit: Because there is no cartridge with a digital download copy.
Huh? Do system transfers still allow you to download games on the original system? I'm just pointing out you can't download a game you purchased on more than one system.
Kacho
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Here is the quote:
Regarding evergreen titles, SUPER MARIO 3D LAND and Mario Kart 7 which were released in the last year-end have established themselves as popular titles in each country they are sold in around the world, and we will take various actions to maintain their vitality in the full fiscal term. In addition to these titles, we will support Capcoms Monster Hunter 3 (Tri) G (Japanese title) selling well in Japan as an evergreen title. In other countries, we will keep vitalizing the titles, including The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D and nintendogs+cats, as a must-buy with the purchase of the hardware.
Maybe I'm wrong, but to me he's saying that Nintendo will continue to provide Monster Hunter titles on the 3DS in Japan because they sell extremely well there. While in other countries, they will continue providing Zelda and Nintendogs titles because they sell well in those territories.
I must have misread your post a little. I thought you implied that you would not be able to get a new 3DS(i.e. a redesign) and transfer your DD titles over.
When was the last time Nintendo revealed a price point at a E3?
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We've always had some number to work with. It's always been $200-$250. With Wii U we have absolutely no idea what to expect. Even Iwata told us it wasn't going to be as cheap as their other consoles.
Something by E3 would have helped a lot of people with their purchasing decisions.
He's talking about how in Japan they released a MH3G bundle several months after launch to help promote long-term sales growth.
Pretty sure there is already a nintendogs bundle, but if not there soon will be.
See, the problem is they Iwata says that the NORMAL way to do sales is figure A, but Nintendo is going to do figure B. Figure A is Nintendo selling directly to the consumer, Figure B is Nintendo -not- selling directly to the consumer.
I'm just confused as to how Iwata's point about retail sales doesn't flatly contradict the other statement about being able to purchase retail titles directly from the eShop.
TheNatural
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Anything above $300 would be a pretty bad idea I believe.
Didn't they just mention a while back that WiiU will allow for multiple accounts?
By transcript, are you talking about the presentation notes on the Nintendo site? That doesn't have everything that Iwata said at the actual presentation no? Considering it was released when the presentation started anyway.
Awesome lol.
Okay then yes, that doesn't make much sense.
Kacho
Member
Ah, yes. That makes sense.
Fimbulvetr
Member
I realize there are no guarantees, but the presence of an account system would provide more flexibility and catch up to the standard of their competition, which would be reassuring. Of course there are already counterexamples, with sony not yet making digital PS1 titles playable on the Vita, and nintendo making virtual console titles per-platform so far. I think that nintendo can and should do better.
hardcastlemccormick
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I think they're trying to say that retail will still be their major focus to keep the retailers happy, and they're muttering under their breath "and we're selling them on the eShop too" but hoping the retailers don't notice. They're trying too hard to say two things at once and it's not communicating properly.
Well, Iwata does seem to directly say "Naturally, consumers can digitally buy packaged software at the Nintendo eShop" -- so I'm just going to have to assume it was an unclear translation with regards to the images. That, or a poor image choice... the "Nintendo" model should show Nintendo selling directly as well as retailers selling.
Oh, another fun thought... wouldn't the other bit about wholesale prices being higher for retailer digital sales (due to lack of risk) mean that, ultimately, cartridges would have greater discounts than download codes?
(I was still vaguely pondering the wild notion of NCL allowing folks to download -all- old titles on their Club Nintendo registered accounts. I mean, only the first owner would have a code...)
The Hermit
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well, Nintendo is the first developer, so far, that consider the fact that you can't share/borrow a game a negative.
That would make the most sense to me, since it would be similar to buying XBLA cards at retail or DLC codes from GameStop.
No, like Nirolak says, he's just pointing out the differences between the two distribution methods.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Well it seems he essentially did say that in the end, since he added eShop purchasing will be possible.
Just emphasised the retailer friendly part with the images to not piss them off PSP Go style. Maybe.
From the text it sounds like you can purchase directly from the eShop, no need to visit a retailer. Maybe this image is more accurate.
UncleSporky
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charlequin
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As tempting as it is to believe Nintendo has actually managed to do something as foolhardy and backasswards as you suggest, a much more logical interpretation is that the two charts are just there to emphasize how Nintendo's "digital at the retailer" initiative differs from traditional DD and not to actually imply anything about the eShop business they already have running.
DXB-KNIGHT
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I don't know why I'm outraged, happy and scared at the same time.
Club Nintendo coins aren't real currency. I'm sure it probably says that in fine print somewhere.
I wouldn't expect Nintendo to go anywhere near a DRM free approach, but this is pretty much a step closer to what Sony offers except still not quite as good as that.