wumster3000
Member
I just don't like content locked behind a toy. Like people have said, it's dlc. Just gonna be harder to get due to you having to buy a toy to unlock it. Major turnoff for me.
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Nintendo addresses the Samus Returns Amiibo controversy (USGamer)
- Thread starter kulapik
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Well...
About that...
(Of course, we don't know the full details. Mario Maker locked costumes behind Amiibo, but you could unlock them with an alternative in-game method)
I fully expect Mario Odyssey to be chock full of Amiibo DLC.
'Wanna play as Luigi?'
'Too bad! Buy this $15 tat! If you can find it! Bwahahahaha!'
Edit: oh wow I was right lol.
.................................WWWHHHHHHAAAAATTTTTT!!!!!!?????
SomedayTheFire
Member
Man Nintendo are really bad at PR.
they are doing this already. At least we have no information if wedding suit mario is gonna be obtainble normally.
Meanwhile we have 2 threads on shadow of mordor where nobody defend this shit, good times.
Castef
Banned
So "gooooood" news indeed...
Skittzo0413
Member
It's unclear from the statement, is Fusion Mode supposed to be even harder than Hard Mode? Or just basically the same Hard Mode with an added costume?
Either way it's still annoying as hell... I really don't like where they seem to be going with Amiibos. All of these bonuses really need to be available as DLC too.
Either way it's still annoying as hell... I really don't like where they seem to be going with Amiibos. All of these bonuses really need to be available as DLC too.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Not even close. It's still a mode locked behind a hard to find plastic figurine. It doesn't change a thing.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Nintendo working on a matching tie for those clown shoes.
If it's just the fusion suit, cool. If there is still a difficulty mode locked behind the toy, fuckouttahere.
If it's just the fusion suit, cool. If there is still a difficulty mode locked behind the toy, fuckouttahere.
Alexander DeLarge
Member
Locking difficulty modes behind DLC is unacceptable. Especially when it's a day one thing. It was awful when Metro did it with Ranger Mode and it's awful now.
ElfArmy177
Member
What's the difference between a pre-order bonus or a limited edition and this?
GhostTrick
Banned
I mean, let's just be real: Nintendo became in no time the king of greedy companies and anti-consumer crap. It was pretty obvious when they locked out amazing content behind Amiibos in Zelda Botw.
Most preorder bonus become available later. And they're not a fuckin 15 dollars toy with limited stocks just to get a costume.
15 dollars for ONE costume and a harder mode.
Most preorder bonus become available later. And they're not a fuckin 15 dollars toy with limited stocks just to get a costume.
15 dollars for ONE costume and a harder mode.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Personally I dont have a problem with amiibo in most cases (pretty much all of em really) but I dont wanna buy the figures. I'm anti clutter in that sense. Pretty much why I dont buy em. That said, locking a hard mode is pretty crappy. Seems like they wanna monetize Metroid since it wont set the world on fire.
I think we can have a balance.
Woolly World is a good example of Amiibo usage. The game itself already had skins to unlock, one per level in fact, but with Amiibo, you could unlock Nintendo themed costumes. They didn't really add anything to the game, were kept separate from the in-game costumes, and in fact lead to costumes you wouldn't normally see like a Pac-Man skin. They were a neat bonus for owning your favourite Amiibo (one shouldn't be forced to have a figurine of a character one doesn't really want) but you weren't missing anything if you didn't own any. Also, it means all Amiibo were treated equally (minor exception with the Pokémon ones)
On the flipside, Twilight Princess HD was rather bad. It only worked with Zelda ones for starters, so all your other Amiibo were useless. But the kicker was the Ganondorf functionality. Link giving you a full stock of arrows isn't really something I'm worried about missing out on, since I can just buy more arrows in game if I ran out (which I hardy ever do), but Ganondorf unlocked a bonus hard mode - double damage.
The thing is, in TPHD - hard mode was combined with mirrored mode. This means if you wanted to play the game with the original orientation - which as a Wii version owner was a selling point for me, I couldn't play it with added difficulty without buying one very specific Amiibo.
Basically good amiibo usage should be:
- accessible to all Amiibo, or at least a broad series cross section.
- not tie anything to just one Amiibo - especially with the alternative versions of some characters. All Links should just be seen as Link.
- Provide something that's an alternative to what's already available, not something completely new e.g. costumes
- Bonus - just be a quick key to unlocking something from the get go, but you can still unlock it another way e.g. Mario Maker's costumes
R_thanatos
Member
I still don't understand WHY a difficulty is DLC , and why this is ok that it is on an amibo or on the e-shop.
To me it doesn't matter if fusion mode or hard mode is the same difficulty or not ... why the heck is this DLC ?
To me it doesn't matter if fusion mode or hard mode is the same difficulty or not ... why the heck is this DLC ?
you need the new amiibo for the fusion mode. You essentialy need atleast 3 amiibos to unlock everything in this game, as far i understand it
Hell nooooo lol.
Seriously that's what makes it worse. They do different figurines for the same game with each offering different stuff.
Nintendo want you to buy as many amiibo as possible. By making more than one amiibo unlock the same stuff, it goes against that.
I don't think amiibo are pro-consumer at all, but if (and it's a big if) they made it that all you needed was one amiibo that unlocked the same stuff in all the games I'd be ok with it. So for example a mario amiibo would unlock any dlc in all mario games, then it would certainly be more friendly to consumers.
But right now you have to sometimes buy the same character in different poses, each offering different content.
Maybe they can release a Metroid amiibo in a taking shit pose, as a sort of symbol of what Nintendo are doing to customers.
Yike, I can see why people aren't happy
Alexander DeLarge
Member
I can't think of a pre-order bonus/limited edition that gated an entire difficulty mode besides Resident Evil 7 (which was only early access to a harder difficulty mode, beating the game still gave it to people for free) and Ranger Mode in Metro Last Light (which had a huge backlash among fans).
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Oh hey look, Nintendo actually managed to pull their heads out of their asses and communicate. Still mad any amiibo, but at least now I don't feel like I'm being spit on.
Now about the sound test and other features...
Now about the sound test and other features...
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
I don't mind DLC. I abhor DLC locked to a physical object. Grody
I don't care about the harder difficulty but I'd like the suit. Sucks. Nintendo has a way of somehow giving me what I want in a way where I don't want it anymore.
I don't care about the harder difficulty but I'd like the suit. Sucks. Nintendo has a way of somehow giving me what I want in a way where I don't want it anymore.
Linkstrikesback
Member
Unless fusion mode is literally hard mode but in a special costume, haha, no.
It doesn't change the fact at all that a unique difficulty mode is locked entirely behind a separate purchase.
So The game is $40, plus 3 x $15 amiibo.
That's an $85 investment to have everything.
Nintendo want your flesh, your bones and the marrow therein.
Nintendo communicates all the time, they just don't do it particularly well. Remember when Reggie said the WiiU was "infinitely complex and yet perfectly simple"?
Even if there was so much stock that everyone on the planet could buy 10 each, I'd still be against it.
There's no value there for people who don't want the figurines. Is a hard mode and costume worth 15$? No. So what about people that only want the mode and costume?
What's the big deal in simply offering any dlc on the eshop seperately? Are people that buy amiibos worried it devalues them or something?! Because honestly I think the type that buys amiibos would buy them with no content at all.
I can't see the majority of amiibo purchasers being people who only buy it for the content they unlock....
Conkerkid11
Member
Same old bullshit from Nintendo, locking on-disc content behind limited physical toys.
Did you even read the content of the post, or did you just read the thread title and decide you wanted the first post in the thread?
isaacnukem
Member
I am reading it as an amiibo that is hard to get which unlocks a fusion suit that Nintendo will deliver to you so you can wear it while playing the hard mode you can unlock by patting your stomach and your head at the same time while assuring the 3DS the Switch won't make it go away?
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
So a little bit cheaper than deluxe editions of games or season pass bought separately while being a physical item which retains some value and will work once servers are down. Also not really anything crucial locked out.
Still the best DLC for your money's worth.
TheSpoiler
Member
If it was just cosmetics, I wouldn't care but man this is a whole mode. That's bunk.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Because, and I say this from the bottom of my heart, the idea of locking game content to a figurine is the most annoying, shitheaded thing I can think of.
I do not want toys. At all. Ever.
Never trust a man who asks "what's wrong with you?" while he looks like a flesh golem.
entremet
Member
Not only that, but a limited edition physical object.
Skittzo0413
Member
That's a good list, but I'd also add making any of these Amiibo bonuses available alternatively as DLC. It's unacceptable to me to have a limited amount of the DLC available for purchase for a particular game. That makes no sense.
I haven't bought many Amiibo to begin with but I'm definitely going to intentionally boycott them now until the DLC is available as a download alternatively. Which probably will never happen.
someone is disrespecting the best dlc ever
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
Scalpers suck. If that happens I guess I won't get it. Either I can buy it at MSRP or less not paying a scalper, I think. Still I like the fact it is a toy too.
Also lol @ the person comparing amiibo DLC to loot boxes, now that it some masterful mental gymnastics at work.
Anyway I live in Sweden. They don't really run out.
kunonabi
Member
The real question is the difference between this and a prize from cereal box. Honestly, people that are calling this sort of thing locked or walled off content are just being purposefully obtuse.
Of course, Mario Maker and Mario Kart handled amiibo well too as far as I'm concerned, still it's stuff that would've been in the base game a few years prior, but I wasn't bothered. Anyway, one would think that, seeing as they are getting more aggressive with the amiibo content, they'd be doing that because people were previously unhappy about the unlockable content and so the figurines weren't selling... only that's absolutely not the case because:
1 - People don't buy amiibo for the content in first place.
2 - They are pretty much constantly sold out so they don't really need to add better content to sell more.
3 - Doing that they only alienate those not wanting the amiibo.
Doesn't make sense to me. Nintendo doesn't make sense to me.
Honestly, voice chat app on smart-phone could very well be used as a new example for the Chewbacca defense.