Sammy Samusu
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I think I get it... maybe they are planning to beat the game on live stream and monetize the video?
It'd be a new format for E3.
Very innovative and daring.
It'd be a new format for E3.
Very innovative and daring.
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Nintendo at E3: are you in denial?
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Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
Nope, just expecting Zelda. But I don't care, there's still plenty of other things to be excited about at E3.
……forgetit
Member
My expectations are rock bottom, I half expect all the Zelda gameplay to be off screen and us not get an actual trailer.
Skittzo0413
Member
As others have said, if Nintendo really believes NX is not ready to be shown then that sorta limits their options.
If I'm watching Nintendo's presentation and they show off all these localizations (and Paper Mario) I would honestly be "meh" and be waiting for only Zelda. They know Zelda is their biggest gun, and if they really do have this much confidence in it then I'm super excited to hear about it.
Think about this: if Zelda truly is all that will be played on the Treehouse stream, and they again do this stream for multiple days, doesn't that kinda suggest that this Zelda will have an absurd amount of content? Also, from what I remember about the Treehouse streams, they very rarely do single player games. That could very well indicate that this Zelda has some sort of multiplayer.
Another reason why it COULD make sense using this much space to demo Zelda is if there is a gameplay gimmick which would be hard communicate across in a simple trailer, and they need as many hands on impressions as possible. Whether or not people see that as a good thing is another story.
If I'm watching Nintendo's presentation and they show off all these localizations (and Paper Mario) I would honestly be "meh" and be waiting for only Zelda. They know Zelda is their biggest gun, and if they really do have this much confidence in it then I'm super excited to hear about it.
Think about this: if Zelda truly is all that will be played on the Treehouse stream, and they again do this stream for multiple days, doesn't that kinda suggest that this Zelda will have an absurd amount of content? Also, from what I remember about the Treehouse streams, they very rarely do single player games. That could very well indicate that this Zelda has some sort of multiplayer.
Another reason why it COULD make sense using this much space to demo Zelda is if there is a gameplay gimmick which would be hard communicate across in a simple trailer, and they need as many hands on impressions as possible. Whether or not people see that as a good thing is another story.
MuttsAndMuscles
Neo Member
Nintendo is a company that I want to see succeed, but they've made major mistakes in the past few years. The marketing - even the name - of the Wii U was a blunder, and they were trying to ride off the success of the wii.
They need to come out swinging with the NX. Despite the fact that they say they aren't competing with PS4 and Xbox One, they very much ARE in the race. A good portion of the casual gaming audience won't buy more than one console per generation, and when Xbox One and PS4 have a much more diverse line-up of games than the Wii U does, you have to be an infatuated fan of Nintendo or you have to be buying it for its exclusives alone. The Wii U has some EXCELLENT exclusives, but the fact is that, at retail, exclusives make up too much of the slow trickle of new games to offer much variety. Nintendo needs third party support, a better marketing campaign, and acknowledgement of the fact that they don't exist in a vacuum. There are other players in this game, now, and Nintendo needs to act as such.
Nintendo doesn't *need* to be at E3, but they better be germinating something big and be ready to show it off fairly soon.
They need to come out swinging with the NX. Despite the fact that they say they aren't competing with PS4 and Xbox One, they very much ARE in the race. A good portion of the casual gaming audience won't buy more than one console per generation, and when Xbox One and PS4 have a much more diverse line-up of games than the Wii U does, you have to be an infatuated fan of Nintendo or you have to be buying it for its exclusives alone. The Wii U has some EXCELLENT exclusives, but the fact is that, at retail, exclusives make up too much of the slow trickle of new games to offer much variety. Nintendo needs third party support, a better marketing campaign, and acknowledgement of the fact that they don't exist in a vacuum. There are other players in this game, now, and Nintendo needs to act as such.
Nintendo doesn't *need* to be at E3, but they better be germinating something big and be ready to show it off fairly soon.
MysteryQuesadilla
Member
I'm definitely in denial that Nintendo could ever think that only showing Zelda would be enough to cover the entire year to garner hype at the largest trade show in NA and still have nothing for the holidays released.
This might just be how a Kimishima run Nintendo operates. There really hasn't been that much communication with fans. It's possible that the NX is truly revolutionary and that's why they have been so quiet, but I have my doubts. They have had enough poor media showings that instead of doing a better job, they may have decided instead to not have as many.
DarkConfidant
Member
First reply nailed it!
We can go home, folks.
Nintendo exceptionalism is real. It's sort of a catch 22, but they're allowed to be weird and get away with it, because people expect them to.
Not showing up at e3 doesn't impact you at all as a consumer so there's absolutely no reason they would need to get shit on, excused or applauded for whatever decision they make regarding e3 attendance. It's a media event, whatever they would be showing they'll show later. The only negative implications from this are 1. NX is farther behind than we thought before and won't release this year (well duh, that even came with this announcement). 2. Nintendo is very insular regarding western development and big traditional gaming trends (duh where have you been for the past 20 years.)
To all of you hype deprived and trailer defendant folks out there. Just take your mandatory e3 sick day when Nintendo announces their September~ NX show. Problem solved, now use this time to play videogames or whatever.
With the implication that it was coming out this year. It's not so there's no problem with showing t a bit later in a slightly more polished state and not be in a Saturn situation of announcing and releasing right away.
To all of you hype deprived and trailer defendant folks out there. Just take your mandatory e3 sick day when Nintendo announces their September~ NX show. Problem solved, now use this time to play videogames or whatever.
MysteryQuesadilla
Member
Now that I just looked at the current release schedule, it's entirely possible that they'll just ride the release of Pokemon Sun/Moon through March. Bumma.
Nintendo is also holding a business partner meeting, ie not for the general public.
EDIT: Apparently it covers releases through the end of 2016.
I still kind of refuse to believe it myself, that there won't even be a tiny, tiny bit of information about their other upcoming titles, be it a small action reel or some mentioning. So yes, I guess I am in denial.
Edit: no NX is not bad though, given the dreadful WiiU reveal I think it is smart to make a dedicated event to do it properly when the time is right.
Edit: no NX is not bad though, given the dreadful WiiU reveal I think it is smart to make a dedicated event to do it properly when the time is right.
RipperGrim
Member
Look where they are now and look where Sony is. E3 can make or break you and I think it's been pretty foolish of Nintendo to not give it their all every year.
Alternatively, it can be terrible. Look at Sony with the PS3 reveal or Nintendo with the Wii U reveal.
E3 isn't the only path to a successful launch. If they're not ready to show the thing, they should wait until they are.
BRocknRolla
Member
Nintendo's E3 is going to be an awful disappointment, even knowing full well already that they're not going to be showing anything meaningful. (Zelda is of course something exciting, but if there's an NX version in the mix, I'm not sure why I'd want to play it on my Wii U. Though of course, the NX could be total BS, since we know nothing about it, and perhaps I'll be happy to have my Wii U to play Zelda on.)
Sadly, the whole thing almost makes me mad. Nintendo was the one company this year who I was truly excited about. They're driving that opportunity into the ground by going on total black-out with the NX until post E3. But that is exactly what I expect them to do.
Sadly, the whole thing almost makes me mad. Nintendo was the one company this year who I was truly excited about. They're driving that opportunity into the ground by going on total black-out with the NX until post E3. But that is exactly what I expect them to do.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Now that we are starting to get a better picture of what Sony/Microsoft showing at E3, I'm starting to think that Nintendo delayed the NX announcement in fear of being overshadowed.
We are looking at multiple hardware reveals/blowouts for both companies. Microsoft with Xbox streaming device, slim, and maybe 1.5. Sony wirh a blowout on PSVR plus a potential announcement for PS4 Neo. NX would be the also/and, not the star of the show at this years E3.
So yes, I'm fully expecting to see Zelda and ONLY Zelda. Everything else will be announced/demoed sometime after the show where there will be some breathing room.
We are looking at multiple hardware reveals/blowouts for both companies. Microsoft with Xbox streaming device, slim, and maybe 1.5. Sony wirh a blowout on PSVR plus a potential announcement for PS4 Neo. NX would be the also/and, not the star of the show at this years E3.
So yes, I'm fully expecting to see Zelda and ONLY Zelda. Everything else will be announced/demoed sometime after the show where there will be some breathing room.
Papacheeks
Banned
Well how did they reveal 2ds? How did they reveal New 3DS? They didn't make a big deal about those. But already secondary gaming options like VR are being shown at trade shows, E3, and booths at retail.
You can bet your ass as well new refresh consoles will also have a presence at E3 and other trade shows.
They dont have to be in times square, but they do have to market a big venue if they want to penetrate as many potential buyers as possible on a grand scale. Because there is tons of competition now with new hardware, and being in your own bubble doesn't cut it anymore.
Somebody gets it.
Yes, they can, they have absolutely nothing else to show since it'll be on NX, and they can't reveal it too soon because they're scared of the competition.
Strangely enough, you'd think for last year and this year MS and Sony would be cautious about whether Nintendo was going to "drop the bomb" and oversahdow them with news of new hardware. Ironically, it may be Nintendo bailing out when it turns the other two may be announcing the equivalent of a DSi or New Nintendo 3DS as opposed to a new generation of hardware.
This is for the best, I guess.
sixteen-bit
Member
wait for spaceworld OP
I'd rather go in with the expectation that they're only going to show Zelda since that's what they said. Rather than hope for that new Metroid title like I have every other year. It's just going to lead to disappointment.
Since the directs have taken over I think they care less and less about big press events and would rather just communicate with everyone via directs. So them clocking out of E3 and saving the NX details for a private event or TGS isn't that farfetched anymore.
Since the directs have taken over I think they care less and less about big press events and would rather just communicate with everyone via directs. So them clocking out of E3 and saving the NX details for a private event or TGS isn't that farfetched anymore.
R
Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
We know that there will be a buyer event, as usual, so Nintendo will likely show other games than The Legend of Zelda for Wii U. Not to the public though, but still.
Angry Chair
Member
No. Nintendo has nothing to show and doesn't want the NX to share headlines. I wouldn't be surprised if the Treehouse plays other games and the NX is teased but I don't expect it to happen.
Exterminieren
Banned
Because they aren't new consoles. The NX is.
In fact, those kind of prove the point- everywhere reported on the 2DS and the New 3DS, despite the fact that the New 3DS was announced in a Japan-exclusive Nintendo Direct, and 2DS was announced in a random press release.
Yes. NX will be too, when Nintendo are ready to show it.
Yes. So will NX, unless you think the fact that it's not going to be at a convention before Nintendo are ready to reveal means that it's never going to be at a trade show at all.
Why do they have to be in a big venue? I genuinely am confused- the vast majority of customers hear about the news second-hand anyway, and of those who do watch it, many or most will be streaming it from home hundreds of miles away anyway. What difference does it make to the audience whether it's broadcast from Times Square or from a high school gym?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I look at the deluge of what's been happening on Xbox, PlayStation, and PC. Gobs of new games and hardware. Then I look over at Nintendo and the big news is Hello Kitty on Mario Maker.
That's Nintendo. I fully expect next to nothing outside of Zelda. Maybe news of an old game or two hitting VC.
That's Nintendo. I fully expect next to nothing outside of Zelda. Maybe news of an old game or two hitting VC.
Papacheeks
Banned
Actually you proved my point, how well did 2DS sell? pretty poorly to my recollection, same for New 3DS didn't light the world on fire. But as we speak PS VR which was shown at trade shows, E3 was sold out for preorders in 24-48hrs.
They don't need to show it just talk about it to create mindshare. Sony didn't show anything in February 2013, they showed a prototype DS4, some spec slides, a trailer for killzone, and couple tech demos, and that was it.
That's all Nintendo would have to do to get people talking. Now they have less time to create buzz among airwaves, and doing a Nintendo direct wont create the same effect E3 or a huge venue would.
If this thing is releasing spring 2017 where do you see them having a huge impact in another trade show outside of E3? Gamescom, TGS are not as world wide as you would think.
Which brings me to them needing a huge venue since they have little time to tease it now that they dropped out of E3. Notice why PS4/even xbox are doing so well. They had the tease venue(ms was a disaster after the fact) but then had E3 blowout, then their build up to launch. A three tier system.
Because Nintendo is in the worst spot for mind share and marketshare, this console has to be successful or it may be the last hardware we see from them.
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Deleted member 125677
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Ehh, looking forward to the Zelda presentation of course, but apart from that my expectations are pretty much tumbleweed.gif
Eyeshield1625
Member
Nintendo Directs suck at getting the word out past the hardcore. For the lifetime of the Wii U people thought it was a Wii add in. Directs are failures.
They need a better way.
I have a feeling Horizon Zero Dawn will take the wind out of zeldas sails.
ratcliffja
Member
Why would they say that they're only going to show and talk about Zelda and then suddenly add more stuff when doing so would obviously lead to fewer people seeing the other announcements? The best feasible scenario I can think of is that they throw in an announcement of an announcement so we know when they actually will talk about the rest of their 2016 lineup and/or NX.
Exterminieren
Banned
They didn't set the world on fire, no, but they are just iterative consoles. 2DS, certainly, was a cheap alternative for kids to get into the ecosystem- how would such a thing benefit from hype?
That PSVR stat is meaningless without knowledge of how many pre-orders were available- I'm given to suspect not many. Even so, they're more reflective of a general excitement amongst the hardcore for the tech than any show-based hype.
First and foremost, that is a hell of a playing down of what that Sony 2013 reveal was. Sony showed off trailers for Knack, Infamous, Driveclub and Killzone, featured third party games like Watch_Dogs, Destiny and The Witness, and went into detail about the system's social and multiplayer features and its OS. They laid out the roadmap for where they saw the console going at that reveal.
Secondly, that's basically all Nintendo DID do with the Wii U reveal, and it utterly imploded in their faces. It's absolutely not enough- the NX reveal needs to show exactly what they're doing with the console, what we'll be playing on it and what its future is.
Trade shows, while not irrelevant, are not the big drivers of success in the industry that you seem to think they are. They are but one facet of the marketing, and how Nintendo deals with that field as a whole will play a big part in how the console does.
I dispute that that's why they're doing well. The PS4, in particular, is succeeding because it's an attractive product at a reasonable pricepoint, marketed well, with software that people want to play. How it was showed off at a press conference three years ago is scarcely relevant by this point.
Agreed, with qualifications, but not doing the reveal at E3 is not, in and of itself, a sign of whether the console's going to succeed or fail. It's important, but it's not THAT important.
That impression was given by the two big E3 press conferences in 2011 and 2012, no?