Tom Nook
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E3 had been ruined for me
see you all at E3 2017
Or in Nintendo's NX Direct late this year.
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Nintendo @ E3 - No Direct, Just Zelda Treehouse Stream
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Or in Nintendo's NX Direct late this year.
I really don't get the line of reasoning people are showing here.
This is ZELDA. This is not a new IP. This is not an old, forgotten IP. The three franchises they could try and pull this off with are Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon. And this particular game has gotten people excited ever since 2014, with minimal info and not even a name yet.
An additional note.
This strategy (that clearly isn't a planned strategy) doesnt make sense at all neither to promote the game itself.
They postponed the game to optimize its launch with a NX version and to support the new console with a strong release.
And now they are going to fill the entire show of the year with a game that will be released many months later with its inferior version.
This means that they
Have lost their mind
Are really desperate
Nx version will be disappointing/nx hw will be disappointing
This strategy (that clearly isn't a planned strategy) doesnt make sense at all neither to promote the game itself.
They postponed the game to optimize its launch with a NX version and to support the new console with a strong release.
And now they are going to fill the entire show of the year with a game that will be released many months later with its inferior version.
This means that they
Have lost their mind
Are really desperate
Nx version will be disappointing/nx hw will be disappointing
Despite the massive dissapointment with their approach to E3 this year, I hope Nintendo is like this right now:
Working their asses off preparing the biggest spirit bomb ever made so they can prove to the masses that they still got it. We just have to be patience (even though, we have been patience since 2014 when the freaking Zelda game got revealed with the double promise of being released in 2015...)
Working their asses off preparing the biggest spirit bomb ever made so they can prove to the masses that they still got it. We just have to be patience (even though, we have been patience since 2014 when the freaking Zelda game got revealed with the double promise of being released in 2015...)
Commercial suicide..
Papacheeks
Banned
But how the fuck do you not have a backup PR plan when things go south? LIke they didn't have trailers ready that teased stuff? They dont have slides ready with specs? I mean wtf?
They don't have to show anything that's my whole point just talk about it, maybe show a prototype controller like they did During Wii U reveal, show some teaser trailers with couple clips, show some fucking slides with text and that's it. At the end they could just be like as we get closer to release we will show more.
Exiting completely shows a lack of game plan when things go wrong. Sony had other slides ready from someone that I know who is a Retail Rep for Sony. They had a price for 450 but waited to see what Microsoft did first and went with 399 slide they had. Now I don't know the validity of that he could have been jerking my chain just to make himself look important , but he was there at E3 and was talking to people at booths, he showed me texts he had.
But anyway not to go off, but yea NINTENDO has now even more pressure and more uncertainty attached to them and this new console because of their direction.
Not having a backup plan, is seriously the dumbest fucking thing ever. ANd I will keep bringing up February 2013 because Sony showed fucking nothing on the console side. They showed a close to final controller that was from a dev kit, they didn't even have final specs but showed a slide with specs, then showed some tailored trailers and tech demos.
That shit should be already set and ready to be played on a projector. WTF how is that not a fucking option?
I am seriously dumbfounded. If they go all out in October/November and hit a home run in their presentation then I will eat crow, and people can give me a avatar to where for that month.
But this does not spell that they are ready as a company regardless of hardware hiccups. This shows you how much they have been out of the game, and it really shows big time in their messaging and recent choices.
GabeTheGrouch76
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So they don't even have a E3 Digital Event (let alone a conference / presentation)? Just Zelda U playable on the show floor and on Treehouse streams?
Even given that the previous year's Digital Event had a mediocre showcase of mostly spinoff/filler games; at least that E3 had the Nintendo World Championship revival too to offset the disappointment, and had more than one game showcased and playable on the show floor.
Zelda U could be the greatest thing since sliced bread and it wouldn't change the fact that it was the only game Nintendo brought to show and be playable at this year's E3.
What an absolute mess.
So they don't even have a E3 Digital Event (let alone a conference / presentation)? Just Zelda U playable on the show floor and on Treehouse streams?
Even given that the previous year's Digital Event had a mediocre showcase of mostly spinoff/filler games; at least that E3 had the Nintendo World Championship revival too to offset the disappointment, and had more than one game showcased and playable on the show floor.
Zelda U could be the greatest thing since sliced bread and it wouldn't change the fact that it was the only game Nintendo brought to show and be playable at this year's E3.
What an absolute mess.
brandonh83
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Again, this is conjecture. Things went south? Where's the evidence? They've never announced the console was coming this year. There have been no public delays. The March date is the first date we've ever been given. Were there delays, internally, that haven't been made public? That's always possible, like with anything.
I get it, people are upset they can't see it at E3. But in no way does this spell disaster or that anything has went south.
They want to show everything at the same time for maximum exposure. There's nothing wrong with that and it's actually a good move, especially in light of the confusion the initial barebones Wii U reveal caused.
Just wait and see what they'll deliver whenever they are ready to show the new console. If it's bad then we still have enough time to doom Nintendo.
Just wait and see what they'll deliver whenever they are ready to show the new console. If it's bad then we still have enough time to doom Nintendo.
Green Mamba
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All I think this is going to accomplish is help push a negative narrative around Zelda.
DragonOfWisdom
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LMAO why are they even going? They should have just cancelled all together and just have a Zelda direct. The strangest part about all of this is that Kimishima said they wanted to focus on 3ds this year and given the fact that it has a decent lineup on top of the unannounced games it seems stupid to completely ignore it.
brandonh83
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Zelda will be fine.
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Rösti
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The calendar on the site, via Google Calendar, shows the following:
That's just one hour, but the press release says "a day of live-streamed gameplay". I guess it's not going to be from the Treehouse team nonstop.
That's just one hour, but the press release says "a day of live-streamed gameplay". I guess it's not going to be from the Treehouse team nonstop.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
You think they bought all that space at E3 only to show one game
like you really think that was their plan all along
like you really think that was their plan all along
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
What about all of the announced 3DS and Wii U titles? May Direct incoming or are they secretly moving Paper Mario to NX and leaving Wii U without a single holiday first-party game?
They already booked floorspace equivalent to Sony. It would probably be even more embarrassing to leave it empty.
If the original plan was for an E3 reveal and a November launch, and the new plan is a March launch, the reveal will happen in October... alongside the PSVR launch.
Whoops.
Papacheeks
Banned
Evidence is there, didn't someone confirm this already? And your not understanding me like at all.
Every company has some kind of backup plan if something doesn't work. Like people who do CES have backups or worse case scenarios when someone pulls out last minute to present something, they have another company or product or trailer of a product to eat up time on the stage until next sponsor/company is up.
E3 works exactly the same, when Assassins creed locked up on stage they went to a gameplay video, if there are network issues when demonstrating online play, they have local setup ready to go they just switch over to a another feed of another box running local setup.
This reaks of something went wrong and they had no plan for backup. Putting one fucking game out and exiting E3 is seriously their backup? Like WTF?
They haven't had a E3 presence really in a while, and if your trying to make your company relevant again for people to think of Nintendo again, you dont just put all the cards on one fucking thing.
It's seriously inexcusable.
If this thing is the next coming of christ and sells like the fucking Wii, and has the highest reviews for any console platform, then I guess they made the correct choice. I just at this point in how they are reacting and handling information don't believe that for a fucking second.
I'm talking about the line of thought: "they only focus on Zelda thus it must be the greatest game ever/something very special/something that will amaze everybody".
The point is not that Zelda can't do that, just that the conclusion is rushed, since it doesn't seem to be Nintendo's initial intention to show just Zelda and this is rather an work-around.
That's all. Again, I'm convinced that Zelda will be great, because it is Zelda, not because some secret masterplan.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Things aren't looking good for NX with all the news recently.
Nintendo is getting really good at serving up disappointment.
Nintendo is getting really good at serving up disappointment.
Angry Chair
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This is a massive overreaction by Nintendo due to the deserved hate they got at last E3: "They hated our Digital Event and the absence of Zelda so let's not have a Direct and just show Zelda". Another probable reason is Nintendo doesn't understand sunk cost and think they must go to E3 because they don't want to feel like they wasted money.
Also, if Zelda is predates SS, I'm going to be pissed. Move the franchise forward or reboot it with a coherent timeline.
Also, if Zelda is predates SS, I'm going to be pissed. Move the franchise forward or reboot it with a coherent timeline.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Nintendo never listens to fans, though, so I highly doubt this is why it's happening.
It's clear that E3 is where NX was supposed to be revealed. They have massive floor space.
And nothing else.
I guess all their teams are developing for NX now. And I guess for some reason they don't feel that their ready to show them off. I really don't get it. Hopefully they hold a proper conference when the NX is finally unveiled.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Yup, and several other 3DS games.
There's also 2 Wii U games (#FE, Mario & Sonic at Rio) coming out on the same day within 2 weeks of E3.
brandonh83
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I'm understanding what you're saying, I'm simply not agreeing. We're arguing based on nothing but speculation and I don't like to do that. You're saying you think that something BAD happened and that there should have been some huge contingency plan for not making E3 and I'm from the standpoint that not making E3 isn't a big deal in the least bit as they'll have their own event and get their own coverage.
We'll have to agree to disagree because I'm not one of the people freaking out about this or making assumptions. It's not productive to me.
Zelda was announced as 2016. Nintendo has stated that Zelda is developing in parallel with NX. Zelda was postponed to 2017, NX was announced as March 2017. It's a very simple logical deduction that NX was initially planned for 2016 together with Zelda.
DragonOfWisdom
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Yeah that's true, but they have 3ds games they could show off but they aren't for whatever reason.
Spieler Eins
Member
Why would anyone buy PSVR? Clearly, core gamers will wait for Nintendo's own conference in autumn before making any hardware purchase decisions. Nintendo and its defenders say E3 is not important, so that must mean that everyone's gonna just patiently wait for Nintendo to break their never ending radio silence. Who needs VR or fancier versions of currently successful platforms when you can just wait years for Nintendo to maybe throw you a bone? While Sony's success barely comes from silly things like strong fan communication and acknowleding industry standards like attending the
brandonh83
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And all that's quite possible.
I'm just saying... it isn't a big deal. They'll announce the thing later, and all this complaining will be a thing of yesterday. No one will remain hung up about it.
Rösti;202720179 said:The calendar on the site, via Google Calendar, shows the following:
That's just one hour, but the press release says "a day of live-streamed gameplay". I guess it's not going to be from the Treehouse team nonstop.
isn't 1 hour the default duration on google calendar? I wouldn't read into this too much.
Except they'll have a booth and a bunch of being closed doors showings.. so they're skipping E3 even less than EA and Activision.
LegendofLex
Member
None of that shit matters if they aren't ready to commit to a lineup that's better than 3DS's or Wii U's.
Angry Chair
Member
They listen, they just misunderstand our complaints due to narcissism. Not understanding sunk costs is a much more plausible reason why they are doing this though.
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Rösti
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I have no idea, I don't normally use these calendar functions. The E3 site source is this anyway:
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<div title="Add to Calendar" class="btn-addtocalendar addeventatc"> Add to Calendar <img src="assets/img/icon-calendar.svg" alt=""> <span class="start">06/14/2016 09:00 AM</span> <span class="end">06/14/2016 10:00 AM</span> <span class="timezone">America/Los_Angeles</span> <span class="title">Nintendo Treehouse: Live @ E3 2016</span> <span class="description">Tune in at 9 a.m. PT as Nintendo Treehouse: Live unveils the world’s first in-depth look at the new Legend of Zelda game. Watch live at http://e3.nintendo.com</span> <span class="location">http://e3.nintendo.com</span> <span class="organizer">Nintendo</span> <span class="all_day_event">false</span> <span class="date_format">MM/DD/YYYY</span> </div>dreamlongdead
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They don't really have too many surprises left, so I'm not personally bothered by the lack of a digital event. Definitely looking forward to 7th Dragon III, SMT IV Apocalypse, Monster Hunter Generations, and DQ VII all on 3DS. Rhythm Heaven Megamix, Kirby: Planet Robot, and Zero Escape III all look great, but I still have their predecessors on backlog.
The thing that I do hate about this is that Nintendo is doing a disservice to third parties and indies (which they need way more of). I just don't understand why this company still behaves this way when they've been watching Sony succeed for last few years with the PS4.
At some point, you have to swallow your pride and admit that your current strategy just isn't working. I had zero investment in the Wii U this gen, but Nintendo's performance in the console market is still a concern. Will they finally learn with the NX?
The thing that I do hate about this is that Nintendo is doing a disservice to third parties and indies (which they need way more of). I just don't understand why this company still behaves this way when they've been watching Sony succeed for last few years with the PS4.
At some point, you have to swallow your pride and admit that your current strategy just isn't working. I had zero investment in the Wii U this gen, but Nintendo's performance in the console market is still a concern. Will they finally learn with the NX?
brandonh83
Banned
People forget the second something is shown. When they show NX this entire narrative will become moot.
But that PR will undoubtably affect NX sales. What are they going to do to at least relieve some of that bad PR?
Like when they showed Wii U?
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