Thanks, I kinda get it now. Pretty neat.
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Thanks, I kinda get it now. Pretty neat.
That part troubles me. Send like they want to offload the cost of a distributed compute farm onto the end-user's network upload and hardware.
Some ISPs do this (using devices within customers' home to deliver data) and get around the bad PR by handling all the traffic within their intranet and ensuring that it doesn't count against a user's bandwidth usage caps but I doubt this will have that exclusion. With the rise of bandwidth caps I only see this being a burden that customers will seek to disable.
I don't think 3rd parties will jump on the discount part.
Fourth Storm
Member
Well, remember that Kimishima just said that they are moving away from Wii U in that interview posted today. I don't think this is describing a Wii U add on.
Maybe...if we combined this patent w/ the patents that describes a driveless console, it might work out.
Say:
Maybe...if we combined this patent w/ the patents that describes a driveless console, it might work out.
Say:
- The NX is the supplementary computing device described, but the final evolved version plays standalone. Digital Only
- It can Also be hooked up to Wii U via USB to harvest the disc drive. Games could then be installed to large HDD in NX, but still be processed by Wii U for Wii U "BC"
- They could also sell an external optical drive for NX for like $30-$50.
- NX would not enhance handheld graphics like people are saying, but would be used as a personal cloud server, online gaming host, and assistant processor for cloud-appropriate tasks (physics? AI?)
Bitch Pudding
Member
Always online still offers a lot of possibilities. Possibilities that - if properly performed - may allow Nintendo to introduce some cool USPs. And they really (!) need those USPs, as WiiU's "success" proved that Nintendo's own IPs alone are insufficient.
MS messed things up because almost everybody understood that they didn't had interest in their customers' needs but wanted to implement a quite sophisticated DRM management.
Allways online does not necessarily mean they have to forbid selling used games, for example.
You need a physics degree to turn on the console ;p
Trevelyan9999
Banned
From what I am reading, this is not forced online cloud gaming nessesarly. My understanding:
Supplemental local computing for:
-Enhanced processing speed, graphics and storage and game saves.
Supplemental computing for online:
-Nintendo network, online play, save data back up, voice chat etc.
NX Console:
-Plays games, has it's own next gen AMD APU as rumored.
-Has your user profile which can be uploaded to Nintendo Network when online connected to the Supplemental Computing device.
NX Console/Handheld games will have portable mode and console mode, or all games can be designed with this option. Supplemental Computing Device will transfer your game data back and forth between both home and portable versions when you connect them.
Bam, there you have your console/mobile hybrid without the forced hybrid part.
Now I want to see this NX controller!
Supplemental local computing for:
-Enhanced processing speed, graphics and storage and game saves.
Supplemental computing for online:
-Nintendo network, online play, save data back up, voice chat etc.
NX Console:
-Plays games, has it's own next gen AMD APU as rumored.
-Has your user profile which can be uploaded to Nintendo Network when online connected to the Supplemental Computing device.
NX Console/Handheld games will have portable mode and console mode, or all games can be designed with this option. Supplemental Computing Device will transfer your game data back and forth between both home and portable versions when you connect them.
Bam, there you have your console/mobile hybrid without the forced hybrid part.
Now I want to see this NX controller!
Funkyhamster
Member
I'd be shocked if Nintendo actually has cloud computing as a main feature of NX. Like the patent says, the latencies are too high, especially considering Nintendo's focus on polish and responsiveness. The whole asynchronous, best-effort style of cloud computing (like with their example of offloading chess AI) is more feasible, but I kind of doubt Nintendo has any plans to use it in the immediate future, just considering the types of games they make.
However, the idea of connecting a supplemental computing device to a low-powered console physically or with a super-short-range wifi connection (like with the Wii U gamepad) is something I could totally see them doing with an NX handheld and base station.
However, the idea of connecting a supplemental computing device to a low-powered console physically or with a super-short-range wifi connection (like with the Wii U gamepad) is something I could totally see them doing with an NX handheld and base station.
This could fit with Iwata comments about NX 'absorving' Wii U, but idk, sounds pretty confusing for the average consumer.
As a huge fan of peer networks I love this idea. Dunno how actually viable it is for high-performance gaming but the idea of provisioning idle devices to do computing for the primary device is highly efficient. It's mostly the same idea Bitcoin is based on, you do useful computation for other users of the network you get bitcoins but in this case I guess it'd be for some virtual "rep" or MyNintendo credit.
I assume that idea will be hard to pull off but getting say, a local console to enhance a portable game seems pretty reasonable and a good upsell. In any case shared computing resources is a very cool topic and something I wish more attention was given to over "the (private) cloud."
I assume that idea will be hard to pull off but getting say, a local console to enhance a portable game seems pretty reasonable and a good upsell. In any case shared computing resources is a very cool topic and something I wish more attention was given to over "the (private) cloud."
Fourth Storm
Member
Yeah, that would be the hard part to communicate. You don't need a Wii U to play it. They'd have to really emphasize Wii U enhancement as a side feature and not the main point of the device.
So could that other Nintendo patent we learned about recently (a digital discless terminal) be for the supplemental device mentioned in the OP?
http://nintendoeverything.com/ninte...stationary-game-console-without-optical-disk/
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1099932
http://nintendoeverything.com/ninte...stationary-game-console-without-optical-disk/
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1099932
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Trinen should be in all the marketing which explains the console.
MemoryHumanity
Member
So you think VR is dead?
Nikodemos
Member
I suspect that by now they want to stay the fuck away from anything Wii U related. Including, I believe, its particular architecture.
Palette Swap
Member
Curious to see how they turn this into a legible USP.
I'm also curious to see if this will have an effect on multiplat games (i.e. how easily this particular architectural paradigm would integrate into existing popular tool chains).
I'm also curious to see if this will have an effect on multiplat games (i.e. how easily this particular architectural paradigm would integrate into existing popular tool chains).
TheAngryMonkey
Member
Sounds like it's however many systems they want it to be depending on game type and so on.
OrionsNebula
Member
Thanks for the summary. Really helps clarify a lot of the technical jargon.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the cross-saving will work, and also if there will be seemless playing of mobile to home console, or if you'll have to boot up the game separately.
TheAngryMonkey
Member
This reads like Nintendo wants to create the cloud backed gaming that Microsoft talked about without actually building or "renting" a dedicated infrastructure for it. This could really turn into a "everyone loves a bad idea when it works" (Cayde-6) idea. Given Nintendo's historic demographic and player base I feel like this has the potential to be confusing as hell for people.
whoa. I feel like this would be a literal game changer if it happens like this
Virtual Reality brah, it kind of explains itself + it's representation is sci-fi for decades = vr doesn't really require a demonstration for people to understand the concept.
VR creates natural curiosity. The concept doesn't need explanation. It's been a scifi fantasy for years.
It's not the execution that has to be crystal clear, it's the benefit.
Bad example :
_With our cloud based thing, you'll get more power from your neighbors to have prettier game. Or maybe more simple "Get prettier games when your neighbors are in holidays!!!" WHAT ???
_Play with our new tablet and your old wiimotes in great asynchronous games!! What the fuck is this..
Good example:
_Wave your fucking arm to play bowling!!!!!
Graphics Horse
Member
I'm struggling to turn patent speak into family friendly speak.
When your hardware comprises potentially daisy chained hardware units it's already pretty complicated compared to a regular console.
Nintendo has been contray to online fees in the past, maybe this way they can get people running their standby consoles as little servers in exchange for rewards, instead running their own servers and charging for it. Maybe it's just one part of the NX plan, and not the whole concept.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Hybrid....
Shouldn't be too hard.
Introducing the new Nintendo NX with the Nintendo Power Pod accessory.
More Pods = More Power!
Get paid to host games and boost the power of others!
Play home and away at the press of a button.
The first Future Proof console, from Nintendo.
NX to be a dumb terminal confirmed.
The portable version outputs the streaming wifi video to a screen, the console one to your screen. That's literally the only difference. They're the same platform because they're being driven by the same cloud computers. There could even be a VR terminal (console) if they wanted.
Think Wii U, where the either NX (handheld/console) is the gamepad equivalent and the console itself is at Nintendo's HQ.
The portable version outputs the streaming wifi video to a screen, the console one to your screen. That's literally the only difference. They're the same platform because they're being driven by the same cloud computers. There could even be a VR terminal (console) if they wanted.
Think Wii U, where the either NX (handheld/console) is the gamepad equivalent and the console itself is at Nintendo's HQ.
There is no chance this is what it is.
Graphics Horse
Member
That's the impression I got too, but really have no idea.
Trogdor1123
Member
Was thinking the exact same thing, I'm all for it too. Could be awesome if done right. But its Nintendo ... So it likely won't be
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
How about:
With this extra box you get more power to your games. Or if you don't want to buy one right now, lease some from our distributed network*. Or if you find our games fine as they are, don't buy or lease anything!
* subject to availability.
CrunchyFrog
Member
This is the most ingenious part of the design, IMO, and one that I'm surprised PC manufacturers hadn't tried much beforehand. It makes perfect sense if the scuttlebutt about the NX having both mobile and stationary form factors sharing the same games/architecture is true.
Prevolition
Member
OMG it's happening.
But instead of SLI it's the power of the cloud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=493ljyoox6o#t=1m59s
Fourth Storm
Member
You realize how bad that is right? Imagine a mother and her child in front of those choices, in our actual world.
Let's look at it like this. NX is more powerful than Wii U. We know that from a source here.
Either:
A) The supplementary computing device has evolved into a standalone digital NX (which handheld could still attach to in some capacity)
or
B) NX will lack a proper HDD and Nintendo will market the SCD as that + cloud server.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Yep.You realize how bad that is right
Family watching a commercial/in-store display, with two/three boxes.
Mother: You're getting only the basic whatchamacallit new nintendo, son.
Son: Sigh.
3 months later..
Son: Mom, I can get free credits on that nintendo network, and save from game purchases! You can stop buying me games!
Mother: Really? How do you do that?
Son: I just need that extra box we saw back then. Everything else is automatic!
Mother: Oh! And for how much?
Son: It's just $149. But it will pay back real soon! <Pulls totally hacked computation of ROI>
Mother: Alright then..
Graphics Horse
Member
I really don't know about this, we're just going to be plagued with questions about how many NX you need to duct tape together to be as powerful as the PS5.
Gah, I can't help but get excited when these patents thread pop up lol. Props to Rosti for always being on top of it.
Multiple device sharing the cloud device...this is interesting and really sounds like the full next step for Nintendo Account and the NX. Hearing this myself also confirms that the console should be pretty strong. Next gen Nintendo is looking promising.
Multiple device sharing the cloud device...this is interesting and really sounds like the full next step for Nintendo Account and the NX. Hearing this myself also confirms that the console should be pretty strong. Next gen Nintendo is looking promising.
This could end up working quite well as a long term life cycle strategy for Nintendo.
If base Nintendo box is on par with PS4, adding this secondary device allows them to release an upgraded secondary device that will close any gap on PS5/next Xbox once they are released.
If base Nintendo box is on par with PS4, adding this secondary device allows them to release an upgraded secondary device that will close any gap on PS5/next Xbox once they are released.