TurnipFritters
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Youtube has ads? e: I mean like ads during/before videos?
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Nintendo going after Youtube Let's Play videos
- Thread starter LiK
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Sega was the worst: actively taking down videos from older entries in a franchise to "clean" the search results for their not-so-popular new entries. Ugh.
If you're going to make a business out of making LP videos, why wouldn't you learn what your legal rights were?
For those people that haven't and will now be affected, I see no one at fault but themselves. If people are smart and make a lot of money from this as people claim they do, they will license the material from Nintendo as they should have in the first place.
Especially if this only affects videos 10 mins or longer.
For those people that haven't and will now be affected, I see no one at fault but themselves. If people are smart and make a lot of money from this as people claim they do, they will license the material from Nintendo as they should have in the first place.
Especially if this only affects videos 10 mins or longer.
Hopefully this will cut down on people who have no business making Let's Plays, like all the fucking top YouTube people who had no interest in gaming before but suddenly realized they could make money off it.
At the same time, I had plans on monetizing videos like this... so fuck.
At the same time, I had plans on monetizing videos like this... so fuck.
StreetsAhead
Member
Please correct me if I am wrong, but as copy-right holder aren't you under an obligation to actively enforce and protect your copyright materials? I'm sure I read that before.
crimsonheadGCN
Banned
Ads during the video are generally clear pop-up ads that you can close. I never saw a full screen ad start in the middle.
I believe that's for trademarks, not copyright.
Even if it is, it's not like anyone who doesn't have a stake in the material is going to make a fuss if the copyright holder doesn't give a shit.
Ad breaks tend to happen on longer (>1hr) videos.
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Deleted member 17706
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Regarding the bold... we're not. At least I'm not and I don't see anyone else pretending as such.
Why should "harm" be a factor here?
Also, I think you're going a little overboard with the "scum" stuff. Nintendo isn't doing anything out of the ordinary here. I wouldn't put it past any company to do exactly the same thing or take even harsher measures. In fact, Nintendo has even come out and said they won't be having videos removed, which is more than some companies can say.
what's your channel?
As long as people have contacted Nintendo and have gotten their permission, they should be able to monetize their videos and use it as proof for YouTube.
Well here's the thread, enjoy: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=494947
Disable that adblock you've got there.
Well here's the thread, enjoy: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=494947
You're somewhat right lol
Disable that adblock you've got there.
Robot Pants
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"Nintendo doesn't care about gamers."
Delusibeta
Banned
I'm fairly sure that's untrue FUD.
I don't think LPing is stealing, as there is a gray area due to the fact that you aren't physically playing the video, but I REALLY don't think Nintendo is stealing here.
Putting ads isn't the best, but this is their right as owners of the content (which is being presented in its entirety, albeit in a hands off manner).
NoA is so incredibly inept it wouldn't be a crazy thing for this to actually be the case.
StreetsAhead
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Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
Yup, some partner networks have deals with Nintendo, and Fullscreen is one of them, so you should have no issues.
>I shouldn't either as I'm partnered with Fullscreen as well, but I don't usually do Nintendo games.
TurnipFritters
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Disable that adblock you've got there.
you'll have to pry adblock from my cold dead hands
WrenchNinja
Member
Was considering doing an FEA LP/walkthrough. Guess not anymore.
Edit: oh this is just monetization, I do this shit for free. Then whatever.
Edit: oh this is just monetization, I do this shit for free. Then whatever.
The ads replace the ones the video creator was running, and funnels all the earnings to Nintendo. I don't know if that's "stealing" by definition, but it's not far off
That is actually good to hear.
I'm arguing that presenting the entire game online, with financial gain involved, isn't far off either. Before I get hit by this, I believe neither party is stealing here. They do good work and I enjoy the videos. I do however find it extremely murky, legally, to profit off of a full playthrough of a game.
StreetsAhead
Member
No, it's not.
It goes to whether they had a right to monetize those videos in the first place.
And not everyone does that. Youtube's ContentID doesn't care; any single gameplay video can be subjected to this.
Oh, so there is a completely legal way to monetize Nintendo videos while giving them a share by using their IP? Thread is done then.
A solution where both profit is the ideal middle ground.
RoombaDance
Member
Can't they share the money? Let's all be friends no?
MetaCircular
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Ideally, watching someone play a game with commentary should be a significantly different experience than playing the game yourself. In that case the LP should count as a unique work and the LPer should have full rights to it (including monetization).
I think cloning games (ala Zynga) is far worse since playing the clone is a very similar experience to playing the original. Yet the law seems to allow monetization of these clones.
I think cloning games (ala Zynga) is far worse since playing the clone is a very similar experience to playing the original. Yet the law seems to allow monetization of these clones.
Yes. YT's auto-detection sucks. That's a different problem. I was stating I agreed with most of the original post, except for the stealing. I find this really didn't need to be done, but they have the right to do it.
According to some article I was reading, even Machinima has been getting copyright notices from Nintendo.
Aquamarine
Member
Yep.
A few posts ago it was confirmed Fullscreen has a deal with Nintendo, so you can keep your ads and pay only a share. This is the ideal solution since it's their IP and your work/time.
Nobody would watch the video if it weren't for the game being played and the video wouldn't be there if you didn't upload, so both deserve a share.
If Fullscreen got into an agreement, Machinima should sort things out soon.
90% of their videos are so bad, i wish those were all taken down.
And this is what's wrong with the US's stance on copyright. This is new content being created from existing content. No one's copying the game; you can't play a game through YouTube.
Plus, as far as I know, it's not even been shown that Let's Plays aren't a form of free-use.
Fair use only applies if you are not making money off of the product.
-edit sorry misread.
I think they have every right to do it, but find it extremely short sighted. Biting off your nose to spite your face.
Yup. I like this policy a lot. Only really had a problem with the LPer taking full finances. This sounds quite good.
There's a reason Rifftrax only sells the audio tracks of their riffs, instead of selling you a "rifftrax version" of the movie. What do you think that reason is?
Question, so if Nintendo allows it will the people that upload the videos get money?
Tell that to my PAL version of Xenoblade Chronicles.
That's actually not true. Fair use applies to both profit and non-profits.
Imagine this: I paint an amazing poster with Zelda characters. I decide to sell copies of it on my website. It took time and effort to make the posters, but am I entitled to 100% of the money when the characters aren't mine?
This. Most people aren't thinking this through. Are most of you watching people on youtube just to watch the game or are you watching to see *that specific youtuber* play the game? If it was the first case, you'd just watch a gameplay video with no commentary. Commentary is work, commentary is content. Entertaining people is not worth money? C'mon. Haven't you ever watched a TERRIBLE game being played due to the comedy of the youtuber's commentary over it? Is the game publisher/developer really the one that should be making money here?
An example of a big LP channel are the Game Grumps (whose GAF thread frequently pops up), they (like many others) live largely off of youtube money and think about how many Nintendo games they played (DK, Mario, Kirby etc.). They won't be able to monetize it now, so they won't play it anymore, since, though they have fun, that's also their work and they won't work for free.
Saying that (good, entertaining, funny, insightful) LP commentary is worthless is akin to saying comedy (many jokes about other people's works, movies, songs, commercials etc.) is worthless.