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First, to get to perform the context sensitive moves, you had to hit the boss in a certain way and then quickly approach them correctly. I would hardly call that having no control. Second, it's irrelevant how nimble Prime's Samus is compared to other FPSs, the point is she's slooooooooooooooow by 2D Metroid standards and MOM showed that she doesn't have to be.
While I undoubtedly prefer the less linear structure of previous Metroid games, you can't say MOM was such a great departure from past games. MOM is nothing more than an ever more linear and chatty Fusion.
I'm not sure how my praise for MOM (character movement and control) has anything to with artstyle, but OK.And yet you praise the unplayable mess that is Other M in the same breath?
One thing for sure is since Other M is so bland you never lost sight of Samus
Exactly!
MadOdorMachine
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I love me some Turok, but Crysis 3 is probably as close as we're going to get. IIRC Disney owns the rights and has shelved the IP.
But that's exactly what made Fusion so disappointing. The only thing it really had going for it was the story / horror aspect (if you happen to care about that).
The problem with the MOM was never that it wasn't 1rst person or that it was a gigantic departure from Prime.
It was that it was a fuckingly boring bad game.
You have only 1 way to approach each boss anyway and they prove to be mindnumbingly boring in how the encounter appear (but that might be more thanks to Team Ninja).
You have no control in that game in most of the thing you do, you don't get to chose how you approach a situation, you don't get to chose how you dispatch a foe, at best you get to chose how you avoid taking damage!
Sure Samus is more nimble but you can do so much less thanks to how freakingly boring the encounter with the foes are (even worse when you get the screw attack you can ditch that and just 1hit kill them anyway, since you don't gain anything from an encounter it's for the best anyway).
Even if samus moved like a tank from world of tanks, the game offers so much more variation that it's actually way more fun to get an encounter with foes in that game so it actually makes up for it in the end instead of stripping any tension from the game like OM did.
Again the problem with Other M isn't that it was overly chatty and stupid (seriously it makes Kingdom hearts feel like Jane Austen), the problem was the whole progression and the stupidly crappy choices they made.
The infamous where's waldo sequences, the 1rst person view, the 'cinematic' pseudo 3rd person movement, the dpad to navigate a 3d environment, the auto aim...
I can go on and on about how each of theses decision made for a fantastic shit sandwich that I still wouldn't want if people paid me for it.
Heck let's even focus on the progression and compare it to Metroid Fusion.
In Metroid Fusion you lose your powerup, that may be a copout but that's still miles better than the stupid 'don't use it till I say so' that Other M pulled (and let's disregard the fact that Samus was not a greenhorn when that happened so it makes even less sense).
You don't earn your powerups in Other M you're granted them from above like angels from paradise meaning that for the devs care for they could give you something you had no use for at any time : you had no control AT ALL (let's disregard the fact that the doors kept locking behind you to make sure you couldn't go back to where you were before).
The powerups were alsoran with a grand total of 1 new powerup that you could give less of a shit since it's so crappy (and you get that near the start to boot).
In Fusion, there were many hidden secrets (hidden powerups or new route to reach an area more quickly). In Other M, you have crappily hidden powerups and that's pretty much it (with a grand total of maybe 2 hidden stuffs put out of your view).
What pushed the game from wellitmaybeabitbadbuttheressomecoolstuffs to omgitsthecrappiestthingsincesonic2006 was the music that they had the galls to put with it.
Oh and evidently no stuffs to unlock except crappy theatre mode (who would want to watch THAT again?) and art collection that makes it much more obvious that Retro is missing.
So yeah, no Metroid Other M is not nothing more than an ever more linear and chatty Fusion. It certainly is worse.
the controls is MOM is like the artstyle : it sucks major balls.
Shin Johnpv
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I don't think them not doing that is Nintendo being Nintendo, it's that is not what the series is about. You want something that isn't Metroid. It's like asking for a CoD game that plays like Super Metroid. It's never going to happen because that's not the series.
Shin Johnpv
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You put them in the wrong spot. There are no games between Metroid 2 and Super Metroid.
The timeline would be
Metroid/ZeroMission>MP>MPH>MP2>MP3>Metroid 2>Super Metroid>Other M>Fusion
There are no games between 2 and SM.
That still would be closer than Other M was to Metroid...
I liked Fusion. Sure, it was more linear, but SA-X's and Adam's appearance made for interesting new gameplay elements; the hunter being hunted, rebelling against the authority that helped you in the beginning. I was also surprised by how good the storytelling was despite GBA's limitations; that one cutscene sent chills down my spine.
I think they tried to replicate Fusion's uneasiness with the Deleter sub plot in MOM, but unfortunately they didn't quite succeed.
Shin Johnpv
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Reality here.
(5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 lines later)
Your fanatical hatred of Other M, here.
Other M was as much a Metroid game was Fusion was. Just because you didn't like it doesn't change that fact.
Everything's not so bad then.
Still, tonight I'll probably dream of a world where I have to swim from delfino plaza to pinna park.
Because I don't have a raging boner for everything with the Metroid logo doesn't mean that because it features the label Metroid and is made by some old fart in Japan mean the game is instantly a Metroid game.
As far as content goes, the game is, indeed, as much a Metroid game as Fusion.
As far as gameplay and pretty much anything else is concerned, it's a game not even trying to mascarade as a Metroid game unlike Metroid Fusion who pretty early on (at least try to) ditch the shackles put on by the incompetent storyteller.
We probably would have got that if Sunshine left a better impression but looking at Galaxy 1,2 & M3DL that's never happening now.
Heck if the publishers weren't pushing for ever more violent games we'd have got that from someone else too!
Cygnus X-1
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I'm ready, but Nintendo is not.
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I'm glad sales of Other M were terrible - so that we are sure a sequel is out of question. The plot of that game was in insult to the franchise.
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I'm glad sales of Other M were terrible - so that we are sure a sequel is out of question. The plot of that game was in insult to the franchise.
Yeah you're probably right. I would just like to see more games set in that universe.
Shin Johnpv
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How is the gameplay not a Metroid game? Seriously explain that. I fail to see how the gameplay is so radically different from any other Metroid game that it would be considered not one. There's weapon/armor/abilities upgrading, there's using those new abilities to access previous un-accessible areas, there's shinesparking, the typical array of weapons and abilities are there. Samus moves in a 2.5d world now, and she's more agile than in previous games, though I don't see how that radically changes the gameplay. It's a bit more linear, but so was Fusion.
The look and design of the creatures is absolutely Metroid. You can say what you want about the story, but the gameplay is absolutely Metroid.
Shin Johnpv
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That's totally cool to want more games set in that Universe. I think though you would have a really hard time selling it, unless you had a main line Metroid game coming out as well. Meaning if Nintendo released what would basically be Halo Prime 4 lets say. Which is your Space Pirate defending the planet against a Galactic Federation force, or vice versa. I think most fans would be pretty annoyed and pissed off about it, if there wasn't a regular Metroid game also announced or releasing close to it.
The fact that you keep bringing up Fusion is I think what seals it for me. Fusion, IMO, wasn't particularly a Metroid game. It was a game in the Metroid universe, there were some Metroid tropes (2D sidescroller, powerups), but it wasn't much of a Metroid game. There simply isn't real exploration or nonlinearity and the gameplay isn't allowed to do most of the talking, and those are the biggest components of Metroid for me. If anything, Fusion felt like more of a horror game, which made it much more reliant on story and atmosphere (which are exactly what people complain about in Other M). So if that's your only example I think you probably know why people both don't like it as a Metroid game, and don't like it as a game.
Valjean Lafitte
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So..you are suggesting that the level design philosophy for the entire game was decided before even a basic story premise was even drafted or discussions of what characters need to return were held?
OK, I'll bite.
Yes, I guess it does make perfect sense when you think of it that way.
Lol Metroid threads.
I'm good with another spin-off in the Metroid universe, ala Metroid Prime 4. I'd much rather have another sequel proper though to follow up M:OM. I would really like to see some of the ideas presented in M:OM fully realized and it's time to continue the story on from Fusion.
We better not have to go 3 spin-offs deep before we get another mainline entry, that's for sure.
I'm good with another spin-off in the Metroid universe, ala Metroid Prime 4. I'd much rather have another sequel proper though to follow up M:OM. I would really like to see some of the ideas presented in M:OM fully realized and it's time to continue the story on from Fusion.
We better not have to go 3 spin-offs deep before we get another mainline entry, that's for sure.
Magicpaint
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Personally, I MUCH prefer the universe Retro created for the series and if I want any actual story advancements, I'd rather it's something from Retro. Other M was created specifically because Nintendo didn't have a way to follow up on Fusion, so they did some shitty in between story that retroactively ruins that universe for me.
Well I can explain myself so I'll try, whether or I succeed in convincing you is another thing already.
There's upgrading in most RPGs but that doesn't mean Metroid is an RPG either.
More importantly there's no sense of growth (indeed because in the game there's none, you, the player, didn't get anything out of it by playing the game, and the protagonist get nothing. The game might as well not have existed since she basically gained an helmet that's not even hers in the whole span of the game).
In every other Metroid game you can be darn sure you get something out of it, as a player and as a protagonist.
At worst you visited cool places.
Actually the game opens the new areas for you, you don't have choice in the matter you either get where the game tells you to go or you stay in the room you currently are.
It just so happens that the next is a room you already went to 50 times already.
The locked door system with follow the yellow dot is really unMetroidy to the extreme.
There's no shinespark in Metroid 1, 2, Prime, Prime Pinballs, Prime Hunters, Prime 2 & Prime 3.
And there's an skill close to shinesparking in nearly all 2D Igavania, that doesn't mean they're more Metroid games than Metroid 1.
And in all core Metroid games you gained a new tool that was never seen before in any other Metroid games... Not so much here...
Samus moves in a 3D World, Bug! is a game in a 3D so is Metroid Other M.
It's not only more linear than Fusion it removes everything that Fusion had that was part of the Metroid gameplay.
Again there's no secret anymore and I realize I did adress this before :
Me earlier in the same page said:
And what you described was merely the content or the coat of paint surrounding the whole experience. That's certainly Metroid, everything else? No, really No.
Bjoern the Smexy
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And yet you praise the unplayable mess that is Other M in the same breath?
One thing for sure is since Other M is so bland you never lost sight of Samus
Unplayable mess?
Good sir, am I to believe that we two both haven't played the exact same game?
Other M was just as playable as any other Metroid game out there. The only awkward thing about it was first person mode and that you didn't have to use very often.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
I loved Metroid: Other M, and I've always been one to try to defend it, but even I have to admit your gameplay criticisms are valid, even if I myself do not see most of them as major faults (I think the story is the game's one true failure).
But...
...this is just weak. Really, you're going to refer to the first two Metroids (one of which was remade on the GBA and did include the Shinespark) the pinball game, and the first-person Metroids as evidence that the Shinespark move isn't an important element of the gameplay? Come on! There are many speed-running Metroid fans who will beg to differ.
Believe me I tried to love that game, that what makes it sting even more. And I don't care about the story at all, I never cared about it in games except in pulp cheesy way.
I'm saying that shinespark is NOT a valid element to say that a game is Metroid or not.
Heck there's even non Metroid games with similar skills available and they're really NOT Metroid games in any shape or form.
No offense to speed-running Metroid fans but Sakamoto hated them more than I do when he made unsequence breaking Metroid Fusion and Metroid Other M.
I fear I played the European version I got on launch day, if there's a non shitty version please point me to it!
I don't remember having the feeling of navigating a 3D game like I was playing an early psX game in the other Metroid games, but that might just be me playing the unsucky version of the other Metroid games...
But the platforming is shitty in Metroid Other M! The use of the dPad to navigate the gameworld along with the choice of ditching the nunchuk is also why there's no challenge in the fighting system to begin with!
Even if you disregard how the world is made in all the games M:OM is shockfull of awful decisions
Spieler Eins
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Yeah, Other M really made me realise how little Prime has in common with 2D Metroid after all. Prime being the Super equivalent is simply not true and it's easy for me to comprehend the Prime haters that come from the 2D games. In fact, the Prime series is the complete opposite of 2D Metroid if anything. The Prime games are slowpaced 15 hour adventures and 2D Metroid is fast paced platforming that encourages you to speedrun. I guess they have in common that they have lots of secret items hidden in walls. Biggest similarity is the soundtrack.
SonicMegaDrive
Member
I've had enough of Metroid Prime.
Gimmie a new real Metroid game.
Gimmie a new real Metroid game.
Shin Johnpv
Member
I don't know what game you played, but I definitely played a Metroid game where there was growth. You start off the game much like other Metroid games with a relatively weak weapon and end the game as a walking tank of death. Do you mean personal character growth as a human being? In which case that has never been there. You can access to pretty much all the same weapons and abilities that were in Super Metroid. I will give you it's not through the same process of finding a new item and through the process of Adam's approval, but that's a story element and really doesn't change the gameplay.
Not all of them, I distinctly remember areas that couldn't be accessed until you got a certain ability. Then you should really hate Fusion as well. Since Fusion literally closed off previous areas and forced you into sections when they wanted you. It's basically the same for some upgrades in Fusion, except you have to wait till the federation approves it and then lets you download it to the suit. Fusion guided your hand just as much as Other M.
It was added in Super Metroid and has been a part of every 2D Metroid since then. Which includes the now Cannon remake of 1 Zero Mission, Fusion and Other M. I would bet money that if they remade Metroid 2 as a 2d or 2.5d game it would be in there as well. Really you're going to include the Pinball game.......
Now I think this may just be elaborate trolling at this point.
I'll give you that. She pretty much gets the same build out as in Super Metroid, and that's fine to be upset about. I just don't see how it makes it not a Metroid game. I will give you it's disappointing there wasn't a new ability to acquire.
You can say this but it doesn't make it true. Besides the fact that the series is evolving, specially the third person games. You're being an extremist and not rational here at all.
To comment on some of the other things said in this thread, I had 0 issues controlling Samus in Other M. They were tight and worked just as they were designed. She moved in a grid. I realize that with in 5 minutes of playing the training sequence the game starts with and has you moving around on a floor with a grid pattern for obvious reasons.
I'm not saying Other M was a perfect game. It had it's issues, but the gameplay was there, it felt every much a Metroid game as others in the series. Like others have said the Prime series shows more of a departure in gameplay than Other M does.
Metroid 1-3 are not really fast paced, in fact they are really slow in comparison to other metroidvania games. I never felt the platforming was a major aspect of the core battle gameplay, but rather expand the game world and adventure elements. By the way you can speedrun metroid prime in 1h30min, so gameplay time is insignificant.
edit: Oh and Other M gameplay was an abondimation with its auto aim and semi-auto evade.
edit: Oh and Other M gameplay was an abondimation with its auto aim and semi-auto evade.
Magicpaint
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I am also one of the people that thinks Prime is hardly Super in 3D (I think that reduces the Prime games and their unique elements and focus). For me anyway, the first thing that differentiates Prime is the first person view. Instead of feeling like the outside person controlling an extremely agile Samus, in Prime you are more Samus...so there's more weight to your jumps, more feeling of immersion in the environments and its hostility. Being literally behind Samus' visor allows the environment to be much more of a factor than in the 2D games imo which explains the slower, more methodical pace. I feel like in the Prime games, especially with the aid of the scanning, there is much more of an actual world to see and experience. I think Prime shares enough with the 2D games (such as a sense of isolation, upgrade system, exploration and discovery, gunplay etc) to feel like a Metroid game, but there's so many unique additions that also change things up dramatically at the same time, so I can also see why it has its detractors. In a way, I would prefer if the Prime games were considered separate, because I definitely prefer them on the whole and would love to see a continuation of that style. There is really nothing else like it out there. However the Prime games also lend themselves to speedrunning.
Maybe Retro should make a new IP with all of Prime's design sensibilities. I can live with that.
I liked the bosses and found them anything but boring; the context sensitive actions and 1st person view with it risk-reward system added just the right amount of excitement. We will just have to agree to disagree here. In fact, I would argue that being able to switch between 1st and 3rd person views gave you more freedom in how you approach a boss compared to switching to different types of beams.
Fighting regular foes in MOM is the same as in 2D Metroids; you don't really give much thought to the cannon fodder and instead focus on traversing the environment. The problem is that MOM's level design was simpler than that of the 2D Metroids, that's why the unexciting regular combat stands out. On the other hand, the Prime games emphasize combat way too much and as a result the focus of the games is different; fighting the hostile environment is given precedence to finding the correct path.
I also dislike the Pixel hunting sequences, but disagree on the rest. The cinematic sequences were short enough that hey made me excited, as I knew something big was about to happen, the auto aim is implemented excellently (Samus would always aim at what I wanted her to) and it's kind of necessary to preserve Samus speed in a 3D enviroment (it's not like you ever wory that much about aiming in 2D). As for using the D-pad in 3D, it was never a problem as the game handled movement smartly; Samus would automatically follow the path, even if it changed direction, as long as you kept pressing in the original direction.
Most of the restrictions (Varia suit excluded) and Samus following them make perfect sense. Samus was on a federation ship and the federation was already there. She could either follow orders or GTFO. It didn't matter how experienced she was; it was not her place to be and it was not her mission. I doubt anyone would want to incur the wrath of a galaxy wide organization over not being able to do whatever they want on foreign property.
It was similar in Fusion, where Samus sold her independence for a new ship; she got weapon upgrades through download stations when they were ready (authorized) and Adam dictated (opened up) your path.
I agree on the music; it was way too subtle and I never even noticed it most of the time. The soundtrack still has some nice tracks though, Samus's theme for example.
The only unlockables in MP 1&2 are galleries and hard mode, both of which are present in MOM. MP3 did have more stuff though; really wish MOM retained the screenshot function. And this game's hard mode, unlike in the Prime trilogy, isn't simply an increase in enemy strength. By removing all power ups and having enemies kill you in ~2 hits, it completely changes the way you play; it becomes a pure action game and it seems to be much better for it. MOM may, sadly, be an action game first and a Metroid game second, but I feel action fits Metroid way more than a slow FPS/FPA. Hopefully, a sequel will put more emphasis on Metroid staples (non linear level design, hidden power ups) so we get a perfect representation of Metroid in 3d.
The art style is similar to Zero Mission and Fusion.
Spirit Icana
Member
Complete with a female heroine clad in a power suit? I'm game for that. It'd serve the same job as the Prime games did and Retro wouldn't have to worry about someone from Japan telling them that bounty hunters don't hunt bounties.
evilromero
Member
You're talking about a small minority who see the value of speed running a Metroid game. For most SM was a seven hour plus adventure. I remember being stuck for hours in that game my first play through. Prime is the natural extension of the series just as Mario 64 was. Most who loved Prime grew up with 2D Metroid.
Atmej, I'm very sorry your reply command that I answer you on some points that you raise that I actually find interesting but I don't think I have the time right now.
As a player you did get something out of playing the game, or pretty much any game. That's why when you finished Ghouls & Ghost you were still good at it if you returned to it.
As times went on the reward for playing the game was that you entered an interesting world or seen a cool story.
Here the story is one of the worst this side of Twilight (and I'm not even sure it's not Twilight that have the worst story this side of Other M) and the world you visited is a sham.
The game is so devoid of any skills that you basically learned nothing as far as gameplay system goes.
The protagonist never did gain anything in the whole thing, she earned nothing and only lost someone we never gave a shit about.
You never even get better weapons, they were always there the game beat you around with that fact bordering on the insane.
In Fusion by the time you reach the second area, they give you 1 greatly incomplete map and give you a vague objective.
In Other M, they give you a googlemap of the area, the complete chart of all the areas and the next bus to get there along with the money too incase you didn't bring enough.
Not really the same thing AT ALL, it's basically comparing FFXIII (which also handled linearity way better btw) to say....FFX or FFVIII.
So you mean that Mario 3D Land is not a real Mario game since it doesn't feature the iconic 3rd acrobatic jump that's even in the 2d games now?
That would be fine if the rest of the game wasn't complete garbage.
As it is Samus is out of the Bottle ship with the same wares she entered it, it's the very definition of filler : Nothing changed, nothing learned, business as usual.
It's akin to an episode of DBZ were Goku is learning to drive or say pretty much nearly all the movies
You ignoring the same point made 2 times already doesn't make it false either.
The series is not evolving, it's dead!
There hasn't even been any anniversary going on and the only thing close is an event in NintendoLand that is basically more about Metroid Prime Hunters than anything!
Because they couldn't use an analog stick because they were morons about it.
There's a reason we evolved from Dpad to sticks for 3 movements. In doing so it removed a great deal of versatility Samus had in dispatching foes to boot.
And that doesn't make the waldo sequences and the other crap tolerable either.
What Other M did was pull a Mario 3D Land : you take superficial elements and put it into a game.
But while Mario 3DLand bring about a great platformer with awesome level design (meaning that even they knew how important that was to the game) Other M bolted on incredibly stupid ideas left and right.
The result being even farther from the original than the American take was.
One thing that Metroid was always about : you're alone in a foreign and dangerous place surviving against all ods with every thing you have against everything the whole world around you throws at you.
Here? Not so much AT ALL.
As a player you did get something out of playing the game, or pretty much any game. That's why when you finished Ghouls & Ghost you were still good at it if you returned to it.
As times went on the reward for playing the game was that you entered an interesting world or seen a cool story.
Here the story is one of the worst this side of Twilight (and I'm not even sure it's not Twilight that have the worst story this side of Other M) and the world you visited is a sham.
The game is so devoid of any skills that you basically learned nothing as far as gameplay system goes.
The protagonist never did gain anything in the whole thing, she earned nothing and only lost someone we never gave a shit about.
You never even get better weapons, they were always there the game beat you around with that fact bordering on the insane.
In Fusion by the time you reach the second area, they give you 1 greatly incomplete map and give you a vague objective.
In Other M, they give you a googlemap of the area, the complete chart of all the areas and the next bus to get there along with the money too incase you didn't bring enough.
Not really the same thing AT ALL, it's basically comparing FFXIII (which also handled linearity way better btw) to say....FFX or FFVIII.
So you mean that Mario 3D Land is not a real Mario game since it doesn't feature the iconic 3rd acrobatic jump that's even in the 2d games now?
That would be fine if the rest of the game wasn't complete garbage.
As it is Samus is out of the Bottle ship with the same wares she entered it, it's the very definition of filler : Nothing changed, nothing learned, business as usual.
It's akin to an episode of DBZ were Goku is learning to drive or say pretty much nearly all the movies
You ignoring the same point made 2 times already doesn't make it false either.
The series is not evolving, it's dead!
There hasn't even been any anniversary going on and the only thing close is an event in NintendoLand that is basically more about Metroid Prime Hunters than anything!
Because they couldn't use an analog stick because they were morons about it.
There's a reason we evolved from Dpad to sticks for 3 movements. In doing so it removed a great deal of versatility Samus had in dispatching foes to boot.
And that doesn't make the waldo sequences and the other crap tolerable either.
Primes shows a departure from the series in pretty much the same way that Zelda or Mario were departure when they entered the 3rd dimension.
What Other M did was pull a Mario 3D Land : you take superficial elements and put it into a game.
But while Mario 3DLand bring about a great platformer with awesome level design (meaning that even they knew how important that was to the game) Other M bolted on incredibly stupid ideas left and right.
The result being even farther from the original than the American take was.
One thing that Metroid was always about : you're alone in a foreign and dangerous place surviving against all ods with every thing you have against everything the whole world around you throws at you.
Here? Not so much AT ALL.
Magicpaint
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MuddyDonut
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Other M was cringeworthy in its pandering. I don't see how any self respecting fan can fall for that shitty insult of a game.
What heck I'll try
Well we'll have to disagree here indeed.
Most of the weakpoints were obvious to me and to be fair I didn't have fun at all (the music may be also to blame here)
Huh the environment on the Prime games IS where all work went into, it's so very clear.
Each area had a name and a landmark so that you can visualize the place with just a few elements, it's astounding work. So if anything the subpar work in Other M shines even more here.
The regular foes in the Prime games is also interesting considering that they made sure that each foes had an interesting pattern to them (whether it was a call back to previous Metroid games or foes using the place), one thing for sure is that they integrated into the terrain really well.
In Other M, they're just there it feels way less environmental and more videogaming (which can be overlooked).
The fact that on both counts there's most of the time only 1 path make it clear that having a distraction on the way is vital. Retro at least understood this.
Yeah we'll disagree here, I know where I want to hit better than the game did 90% of the time, meaning that I had to resort to 1rst person view plenty of time.
The cinematic nonsense killed all the tension for me because I knew that nothing could happen to me while I was like that...
I always hated Dpad for 3D, this certainly didn't change my mind, it's still horrible and can't handle all situations.
And that's still BS, because in Fusion she didn't have them anyway so whatever she couldn't use them.
In Other M, she saved the galaxy 3 times already but she can't unwrap a candy unless a perfect nobody that did nothing tells her to.
I'll keep at that I don't have nice things to say on the soundtrack to say the least.
MP1 had Fusion Suit, Metroid 1, hard mode and the gallery as unlockables, I'd say that's quite a lot.
MP2 only had the gallery and the hard mode.
MP3 went crazy with the unlockables though.
Considering the games were good the hard mode is a nice addition (and you could try again in normal but by skipping the powerups, zelda style).
In Other M, by simply ditching all powerups the basic Metroid gameplay of the hunt for powerups is gone (it sucked anyway in that game) and enemies 1shot you, if you didn't like the game to begin with why would you suffer another playthrough?
The gallery is a joke compared to the prime games (look up Mamarobotnik threads to see why)
And a major step down to what was the stapple for Metroid at the time.
After the lush environment and the creativity of the Prime games we're getting art that feels like someone xerox'd the preliminary work for Super Metroid :/
Well we'll have to disagree here indeed.
Most of the weakpoints were obvious to me and to be fair I didn't have fun at all (the music may be also to blame here)
Huh the environment on the Prime games IS where all work went into, it's so very clear.
Each area had a name and a landmark so that you can visualize the place with just a few elements, it's astounding work. So if anything the subpar work in Other M shines even more here.
The regular foes in the Prime games is also interesting considering that they made sure that each foes had an interesting pattern to them (whether it was a call back to previous Metroid games or foes using the place), one thing for sure is that they integrated into the terrain really well.
In Other M, they're just there it feels way less environmental and more videogaming (which can be overlooked).
The fact that on both counts there's most of the time only 1 path make it clear that having a distraction on the way is vital. Retro at least understood this.
Yeah we'll disagree here, I know where I want to hit better than the game did 90% of the time, meaning that I had to resort to 1rst person view plenty of time.
The cinematic nonsense killed all the tension for me because I knew that nothing could happen to me while I was like that...
I always hated Dpad for 3D, this certainly didn't change my mind, it's still horrible and can't handle all situations.
And that's still BS, because in Fusion she didn't have them anyway so whatever she couldn't use them.
In Other M, she saved the galaxy 3 times already but she can't unwrap a candy unless a perfect nobody that did nothing tells her to.
I'll keep at that I don't have nice things to say on the soundtrack to say the least.
MP1 had Fusion Suit, Metroid 1, hard mode and the gallery as unlockables, I'd say that's quite a lot.
MP2 only had the gallery and the hard mode.
MP3 went crazy with the unlockables though.
Considering the games were good the hard mode is a nice addition (and you could try again in normal but by skipping the powerups, zelda style).
In Other M, by simply ditching all powerups the basic Metroid gameplay of the hunt for powerups is gone (it sucked anyway in that game) and enemies 1shot you, if you didn't like the game to begin with why would you suffer another playthrough?
The gallery is a joke compared to the prime games (look up Mamarobotnik threads to see why)
And a major step down to what was the stapple for Metroid at the time.
After the lush environment and the creativity of the Prime games we're getting art that feels like someone xerox'd the preliminary work for Super Metroid :/
.la1n
Member
Retro has had enough time away from Metroid that I think a Prime 4 has the possibility of being amazing. I'll be honest I only truly LOVED the first game, two was entertaining, and three was...well it had good controls. Less humans (or none at all) just Samus vs whatever galactic threat you want to throw at her. Let's just go ahead and move forward with the series too, no need to relegate their games to the past.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I knew I screwed up somewhere.
Shikamaru Ninja
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I would rather have Other M - 2. Just avoid the introspective monologues, employ a classic Metroid soundtrack and ditch the wiimote controls. Not difficult things to do at all that have already been communicated from the fanbase to Sakamoto and Nintendo.
I think Retro should use the Prime spirit to develop a new FPA/FPS for thats more inclusive of the Western market, rather than the exclusive nature of Metroid. From a thematic stand point. Keep the environment design and map design to Prime standards. It is a win win.
I think Retro should use the Prime spirit to develop a new FPA/FPS for thats more inclusive of the Western market, rather than the exclusive nature of Metroid. From a thematic stand point. Keep the environment design and map design to Prime standards. It is a win win.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I'd be fine with another Retro made Metroid, but it absolutely needs to be 3rd person. After Other M I just can't go back to Moon Tank Samus.
Magicpaint
Member
I disagree. If Retro is making it (and it is 3D)...first person NEEDS to be it. After Other M I wanted 'tank Samus' more than ever.
I can live with that. The Metroid franchise is the icing on the cake, but Retro have a knack for creating incredible game worlds that I would love to see what they're capable of outside of the confines of the Metroid franchise.
I don't care about an Other M 2, but clearly some people do
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Retro collabing with Platinum could be interesting.
Metroid: Vanquish could be boss.
Metroid: Vanquish could be boss.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
I liked both the Prime series and the game Other M but I can't fathom how anyone could say Other M is the better game than any of the Primes.
They could prefer the style and mechanics and feel but quality-wise, I don't think it's up for debate as to what games are more polished.
Other M had more problems than the story including the strange and sometimes pointless "Where's Waldo sequences" and the "third person" parts.
None of Retro's games had such iffy design decisions.
They might have included design decisions people didn't care for but they weren't shoddy and stupid.
At least not for me.
With all that said, Other M is around a 7.5/8 game for me and the first two Prime games are 9.5/10 and the third a 8.5/9.
Oh yeah, Other M's final boss would be hard to duplicate as one of the worst and most confusing endings in all of gaming.
I think Retro is working on a new IP but I wouldn't be surprised if their game was a Metroid but I doubt it will be exactly another Prime game: no way it will be 2Dish either though.
They could prefer the style and mechanics and feel but quality-wise, I don't think it's up for debate as to what games are more polished.
Other M had more problems than the story including the strange and sometimes pointless "Where's Waldo sequences" and the "third person" parts.
None of Retro's games had such iffy design decisions.
They might have included design decisions people didn't care for but they weren't shoddy and stupid.
At least not for me.
With all that said, Other M is around a 7.5/8 game for me and the first two Prime games are 9.5/10 and the third a 8.5/9.
Oh yeah, Other M's final boss would be hard to duplicate as one of the worst and most confusing endings in all of gaming.
I think Retro is working on a new IP but I wouldn't be surprised if their game was a Metroid but I doubt it will be exactly another Prime game: no way it will be 2Dish either though.
You've already have four Prime games. Sheesh. Move on.
Other M was fun as hell aside from the terrible story. Then again I've never been the biggest Metroid fan. I think the Metroid fanbase is the worst at asking for ta rehash. You all either want ANOTHER Prime game or ANOTHER 2D Metroid. The latter will be the worst if it ever happens because you will all just bitch about it not being better than Super Metroid.
I want them to continue to evolve Metroid into 3D adventure game and get rid of all the damn backtracking. You have your diehard fans who love it and the nostalgia goggles praising the old 2D Metroids. The series obviously isn't as popular as the fans think it is so I hope Nintendo continues to evolve the series and find a larger market.
I'd completely ignore another Prime game or Super Metroid game. Give me the evolution of Other M though and I'd be all over it.
Then again, this all coming from someone who never really liked the series until Other M so yea. My opinion is invalid.
Other M was fun as hell aside from the terrible story. Then again I've never been the biggest Metroid fan. I think the Metroid fanbase is the worst at asking for ta rehash. You all either want ANOTHER Prime game or ANOTHER 2D Metroid. The latter will be the worst if it ever happens because you will all just bitch about it not being better than Super Metroid.
I want them to continue to evolve Metroid into 3D adventure game and get rid of all the damn backtracking. You have your diehard fans who love it and the nostalgia goggles praising the old 2D Metroids. The series obviously isn't as popular as the fans think it is so I hope Nintendo continues to evolve the series and find a larger market.
I'd completely ignore another Prime game or Super Metroid game. Give me the evolution of Other M though and I'd be all over it.
Then again, this all coming from someone who never really liked the series until Other M so yea. My opinion is invalid.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Say what you want about Other M as a whole, but the one thing it absolutely nailed was the agility, speed and physics that Metroid should have in a 3D world. The real crime was that you had to wait until the post-game to really see it fully utilized, but man that post game is as close as we've ever gotten to a "full" 3D Metroid gameplay experience. It demolishes Prime in that regard.
I think a marriage between Prime's more wide open exploratory world design and Other M's tighter and faster character dynamics and mechenics could be something pretty special. And I have faith that Retro are capable enough to pull that off, I'm sure their shinespark puzzles would be epic.