Well done :lol
And yeah, Sony has all that stuff that drags everything down.
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Nintendo is once again the larger company than Sony
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And yeah, Sony has all that stuff that drags everything down.
ChiliManiac
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I believe the only division that has made them any money so far this year has been the gaming division of Sony. Even if they don't cut Consumer electronics they need to reevaluate it. Clearly CES hasn't gotten investors excited about the new line of products they just announced, which is a problem. At this point their basically just keeping up with trends, and believe me. I don't want to see Sony disappear. That wouldn't be good for the games market, but they have a lot of hard choices on what to focus on and promote.
Schnozberry
Member
Also, market cap is the value of issued Stock. It doesn't include the value of assets or cash on hand. It's not a complete picture of what a company is worth.
It really is amazing how stupid investor's conventional wisdom can be. Activist shareholder Dan Loeb tried to get Sony to spin off its movie division and investors got all excited even though people who knew better knew Sony was never going to listen to that guy. Sony released a polite press release saying no and that's the best change he managed.
Nintendo missing the Wii U sales forecast next earnings report is going to hit investors like a sack of bricks because Nintendo still publicly insists they can hit it. People like us know better. If Nintendo doesn't announce any change in overall strategy their stock will drop 10% on the first day and probably bleed out another 10-25% in the following weeks.
Nintendo missing the Wii U sales forecast next earnings report is going to hit investors like a sack of bricks because Nintendo still publicly insists they can hit it. People like us know better. If Nintendo doesn't announce any change in overall strategy their stock will drop 10% on the first day and probably bleed out another 10-25% in the following weeks.
When compared to other video game related companies...
Edit. Activision-Blizzard: 12.74B
damn, didn't know Namco-Bandai was that big, let alone Konami and Capcom being bigger than Ubi and Take-Two. Certainly though Acti-Blizzard eclipses all of the third-parties which I don't see at all.
timetokill
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Their insurance division is by far their most successful division right now.
Gaming honestly isn't as big for Sony as you guys want to think it is.
Trogdor1123
Member
This makes me think they might be undervalued, could be a good time to buy. What is their dividend at?
IsntChrisL
Member
What's your point?
The revenues Sony gets from games is small compared to their TV and film divisions. That's why when those sectors do poorly it affects Sony's stock much more starkly the gaming division doing well.
Nooooooooooooooooo
Not Music. Do you know how huge Sony Music is? Especially in Japan? They are being supported by the biggest bands and artists over there that sells huge amount of copies.
Eh....and not TV's? That division is losing them a shitton of money. The first thing Kaz Hirai should've done is to nuke that division. But he didn't and still want to compete with likes of Samsung and LG. Well, good luck.
Still insanely wealthy, worth multiple times Sony and Nintendo combined.
https://www.google.com/finance?q=microsoft&ei=YK_MUojuEqmqwAOfgAE
$304 billion, though its value has been in decline since December for some reason.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Activision Blizzard recently split off from Vivendi.
Isn't that partly why they're investing, Nintendo kind of has to change strategies missing forecasts that badly, unless they're being extremely silly and stubborn but Im sure even Iwata would be able to whether that storm.
That's just not true.
Probably dicking around in its CEO search. Investors are probably a bit spooked about that.
Pingoreous
Member
I think they stretching themselves thin. The PC and consumer camera market are dying. That's the only things i they can cut at this point. IBM got rid of their consumer PC arm, investor keep asking HP to do the same and concentrate on services. People are just no buying consumer PC as mobile phones have replace most of the uses.
For some reason? Windows 8 is doing terrible and a OS no one wants. Windows Phones are (still) doing terrible and lol Surface.
Aquamarine
Member
Nintendo has been so successful because they've been a master at simultaneously conserving money and growing profits, most notably during the Wii era.
They have a large cash position and no debt, unlike Sony.
Microsoft should buy both of them.
But not really.
Win 8 user and Surface owner here. Pleased to meet you
Chuck Norris
Banned
Umm no. Movies, and music are two of their money makers they get a ton of royalties from them. And cameras? No as well
If they could they would do it.
Already tried with Nintendo but didn't work.
But we need our Grown Ups 2, After Earth, Battle of the Year 3D, and Smurfs 2 3D. How can they deny us?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Like I said Scrooge Mcduck, Staying rich can simply involving conserving and minimising costs. Scrooge isn't rich for no reason. It's a common trait for many that have amassed and continue to amass wealth.
insanity right in this post.
Cow Goes Moo
Member
nintendo isn't doomed!
I like it!
Yea lets just forget about skyfall , Spider-Man , captain Phillips , American hustle , etc.
Their current valuation reflects more on the runaway success of the 3DS than the WiiU. In fact Nintendo would probably be worth more if not for the dead weight of their console.
Prince Vultan
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Uh... great? What does this change with regard to where either company is right now?
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
But Scrooge McDuck's company wasn't public.
I wouldn't tout the new Spider-Mans too much
Pingoreous
Member
Yeah i agree. Movies and music are not going away. The professional cameras from SONY are amazing and most movies,TV and broadcast are done with Pro SONY cameras. People are not buying consumer cameras with the proliferation of cellphones. Cellphones are killing PC and dedicated consumer cameras.
The thing is the amount of revenue.
Nintendo's only revenue is still only videogames. If they screw that up trying to compete in the "power race" and fail then they have no failsafe. Sony has multiple divisions whose revenue can shield some of the risks of each other divisions a bit.
If Nintendo had not given away nearly all of the Wii and DS's profits in dividends they'd still be worth a lot of that. Instead of putting it in the bank to use later for acquisitions or to fuel future endeavors they gave it practically ALL away!
A polar opposite example is Apple which gave no dividend for the entirety of Steve Jobs' run. Now they have nearly $200 billion in the bank and can provide the money to fuel any future project they ever want to do, for practically all eternity.
What Nintendo did with the money it made during the Wii and DS era is damn near criminal. They're even smaller now than they were during the Gamecube days.
The Wii and the DS's success? It was all for nothing. Nintendo could have held onto the money for their future and investors would still have enriched their own pockets because their shares would have to account for that money in the bank.
they are all from Sony? Then I agree it's Will Smith's fault
Vanillalite
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Sony really needs to dump their content divisions even more so than their hardware divisions.
They need to restructure their hardware divisions and focus on a smaller base of key core products in areas like phones, TVs, and cameras.
In terms of content creation IMO they just should just dump movies and music all together. Just not worth it overall even when they have a hit every once in a while in said sector.
They need to restructure their hardware divisions and focus on a smaller base of key core products in areas like phones, TVs, and cameras.
In terms of content creation IMO they just should just dump movies and music all together. Just not worth it overall even when they have a hit every once in a while in said sector.
Their stock was rising in value for much of 2013. They're still a very profitable, and highly valued Wall St giant.
With Sony's output over the last basically 10 years, it's not surprising at all really. The PS4 is such a landmark piece of technology though. An incredible piece of engineering that won't be beat for value for the foreseeable future. I hope it pulls them up or at least inspires their other divisions to start making innovative products again.
This also makes me wonder how far behind Valve is.
This also makes me wonder how far behind Valve is.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Indeed investors don't like that. Would be fine if they were paying out healthy dividends but I don't think they are right now. So the stored wealth isn't all that useful.
Byakuya769
Member
Just like the old days.
It didn't get to be the PS4's font. (Seriously looking back how retarded was that original PS3 font!).
Whipped Spartan
Member
If I owned Google I would buy Roku and Nintendo or Sony and school everyone.