It was a joke about the first one being shit and the second looking like its following its steps
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Nintendo is once again the larger company than Sony
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It was a joke about the first one being shit and the second looking like its following its steps
Whipped Spartan
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Mind blown. Thanks OP.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
I think people tend to overestimate them.
Pingoreous
Member
Of course they are and Windows isn't going anywhere, but they are throwing away a lot of money with their mobile devices. They had a huge loss with Surface RT this year, almost a billion dollars. That's crazy.
And with Windows Phones, they obviously can't compete with the two other giants, Apple and Google.
They are huge, yes, but at the same time they don't have any successes outside of Windows. Even shareholders wants to get rid of the Xbox division.
Run children! The android game streaming is upon us!
Huh? Really? Why would they do that?
Sony is likely undervalued significantly if new management keeps making good decisions. They were bleeding so much money on each TV and PS3 they sold. Now they're hitting profitability. They're making interesting Smart Phones and other mobile devices, and they have a healthy insurance and movie business. I think Sony will be somewhere in the 50 billion market cap area by 2017.
But yes, Microsoft is huge. If they focused all profit they could buy NTDOY and SNE in 2 years assuming a takeover is possible. But I think they're focused on a mobile/desktop unified platform.
But yes, Microsoft is huge. If they focused all profit they could buy NTDOY and SNE in 2 years assuming a takeover is possible. But I think they're focused on a mobile/desktop unified platform.
When compared to other video game related companies...
Edit. Activision-Blizzard: 12.74B
whoa...never heard of LeapFrog.. but I don't have children so that might be the reason why... man sometimes I feel I chose the wrong profession.. or atleast the wrong place to work at.
I thought Sony's most successful area is selling insurance.
Aquamarine
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$230 million was the production budget. The marketing budget for The Amazing Spiderman was at least $100 million more.
And, gross revenues are split with theater owners. It's not like Sony gets all of that $697 million.
Valkerionseven
Member
Aside from their gaming and music divisions the rest from sony have been bleeding money left and right along with not being competitive for almost a decade or more.
TV might be super high quality sony but no one is going to buy it when you tell them a sony brand will last 15 years when the off brand will last 5, yet your tv cost the price of 6 off brands.
TV might be super high quality sony but no one is going to buy it when you tell them a sony brand will last 15 years when the off brand will last 5, yet your tv cost the price of 6 off brands.
Yeah, back at the height of the Wii bubble shares were trading at over JPY70,000 a share. Today they're going for just over 15,000.
Either short-sightedness, stupidity, or a lack of ambition to bank the money and grow by putting it to work. Nintendo is one of the few companies I know that doesn't actually seem interested in growing as a company.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Spider-Man movies make money.
Oh, okay. Yeah, it wasn't the greatest, but it still made moneyz.
The trailer for the second one did look baaaad... And this coming from someone midly interested in the film so I wanted it to look good despite not yet having got round to watching the first (which may be part of the reason).
Pingoreous
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Regardless it made some money. Not bad for an early franchise reboot and keeping the Spidy from going back to Disney/Marvel.
Sony's TVs are pretty good. Especially with 4K or with video games. Really low input lag.
They're mistake was a price war with Samsung. Someone thought it was a good idea to lose $500 for Sony each time they sold a TV. They seem to be focusing on more niche markets that are more viable, like 4K, low input lag.
LOL. If their earnings are alright Wii U won't matter at all. Also buy on bad news.
Fun facts: Microsoft sits on cash reserves of $80 billion. And they make a profit of 24 billion a year.
Weird, was that Yamauchi's call?
oconnomiyaki
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I feel like pride is what keeps Sony from recovering. They really need to just suck it up and accept the Koreans undercut them in a bunch of areas and that Sony is no longer considered a premium brand that can command the price it does. Even with the Vaio range you're looking paying a premium for what is essentially a slightly better looking laptop.
They could recover, they could focus on what they are good at -- cameras, phones, gaming, financial/insurance, and medical equipment -- but instead they keep making stupid decisions like Smart Watch, that clip on phone camera lens, and now this stupid Core novelty.
They could recover, they could focus on what they are good at -- cameras, phones, gaming, financial/insurance, and medical equipment -- but instead they keep making stupid decisions like Smart Watch, that clip on phone camera lens, and now this stupid Core novelty.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
No shit, If I was into the stock market at the time I would have invested (hell Nintendo would probably be a safe long term dividend investment if they hadn't entered their first rough patch in their history.)
Seems Google prefers snapping up robotics companies like Boston Dynamics and anti aging company Calico. They have no interest in down to earth concepts like gaming and home entertainment. Expect them to be partnering with SpaceX in a decade colonising Mars, seriously.
I would think it would be opposite since if they fuck up, there is no other back up investments. Warchest is also what's keeping them alive
I now own a Windows Phone so I'm hoping it turns around, as some "analysts" are saying. We'll see.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
To be fair they did just come out with Chromecast last summer, and it's doing really well for them. So it's not like they don't already have something in this space.
Pingoreous
Member
The problem is people don't upgrade TVs, cameras, computers, speakers, receivers that often. A tech company cannot sustain growth with those things.
K
kittens
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Wow, quite the argument you have there.
I'd say strong sales of videogames is what keeping them alive. Wii U might be doing bad, but they still sell a lot of games on 3DS and Wii U.
When compared to other video game related companies...
Edit. Activision-Blizzard: 12.74B
How is mad catz not more? I swear they been spamming their knockoffs for years.
Here, let me teach you a thing or two about developers starting with the basics. What you're seeing now is my normal state. This is a 1st Party Developer.
Now this is a developer that has ascended past a 1st Party Developer. Or you could just call this one a 3rd Party Developer.
AND THIS! To go even further! Beyond! I'm sorry that took so long...I haven't had much time to pratice this transformation. This is what I call a Super 4th party Developer.
What the heck am I doing...
No, Iwata and the board at the time just could've announced that they would be ceasing dividends going forward. It was completely at their discretion.
Cranky Kong to Star on next Uncharted game of course!
IncandescentPrecept
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Sony lost a lot of money in the movies sector last year with flops like White House Down and After Earth. Robocop and The Amazing Spiderman 2 will be good for them this year. That and the PS4 selling so much, I expect things to turn around again.
Delivering as always lol
Looks like they're playing it safe this year in the box office... tons or remakes:
Robocop
About Last Night
The Equalizer (technically a remake of a show)
Popeye
Annie
Maybe 2014 will be a good year for Sony's movie division? Looking at that list, I realize I had no idea two of those films existed before this post, and three of those star African Americans in roles that were traditionally white. Strange coincidence for Sony Pictures.
IAmRandom31
Banned
I agree with everyone who has said that is the problem with Sony.
I was just stating that Sony has their hand in a ton more businesses most of which lose them money but they are atleast providing quality in those industries. Sony HDTV's are well known and researched to be the best latency gaming HDTV's. Sony movies are quite big and they have hits each year, their music industry has some of the largest artists in the world. Yadda yadda.
But yeah they do need to cut back quite a bit and focus on maybe 2-3 major areas. Gaming, TV's, Smartphones maybe. Something like that.
I was just stating that Sony has their hand in a ton more businesses most of which lose them money but they are atleast providing quality in those industries. Sony HDTV's are well known and researched to be the best latency gaming HDTV's. Sony movies are quite big and they have hits each year, their music industry has some of the largest artists in the world. Yadda yadda.
But yeah they do need to cut back quite a bit and focus on maybe 2-3 major areas. Gaming, TV's, Smartphones maybe. Something like that.
Of course they can compete. That's just what Nintendo fanboys say to justify Nintendo cheaping out on stuff while making Nintendo look like the loveable scrappy underdog.
Yeah, Android looks to be to mobiles what Windows is to PC's. If Google wanted it could steal a lot of gaming thunder from Sony and Nintendo and take a fairly sizeable chunk of the mobile gaming market. Play Games is just taking off, hell Android games now come with achievements.
The string of horrible game launches has really killed investor confidence with EA.
No, they actually cannot afford to be a loss-leading company in the same way Microsoft and Sony can. Don't be foolish.
BennyBlanco
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It's good to see so many finance savvy market analysts post on this website.
If I owned Google I would be after MS by making OS that does not crash. **** W8.
Every time I see the font I think of Spiderman.
You're right, forgot about Insurance. Still, the gaming division is still a relatively small(still important), but small part of Sony. Its important to remember that when Sony and MS make decisions about gaming though. Their decisions that affect gaming tend to be influenced from other sectors of their companies. Like Blu Ray in PS3, or the Kinect on the 360/Xbox One.
I honestly do believe the Kinect was shoehorned as a gaming device because its pretty obvious its ability as a cheap 3D camera and scanning device can do a lot better in other sectors of MS, but there's with the 360/XBox One because of internal factors at MS.