TheGreatMightyPoo
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Luigi's Mansion has a chance to do ok but Fire Emblem, no way.
Animal Crossing and Pokemon will be enough though to make up for those other games.
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Nintendo posts $160M net income, cuts 3DS/Wii U/NDS/Wii forecasts
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Luigi's Mansion has a chance to do ok but Fire Emblem, no way.
Animal Crossing and Pokemon will be enough though to make up for those other games.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I dunno wtf happened internally, but both games (and Brain Age 3) should've been Q4 2012 in the west. They'd have all performed a lot better and probably helped push hardware higher. Leaving everything on Paper Mario's shoulders was a colossal mistake imo.
Nope, you're not. I'm going on the assumption that NOA will push it back. I could be wrong, of course. But I think that they'll need another big system driver this fall to accompany Pokemon. There is E3 of course, but still.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Despite how costly it would have been, Nintendo should have grabbed a commercial slot for the Super Bowl. Something with football on Nintendo TVii, then switch to normal televison for their teenager to play BLOPS2 on the gamepad while they continue watching the game on the television. Game ends, and he switches back over to the WiiU with a pro-controller to play BLOPS 2 with their kid.
Cue catchy saying about everyone in the game or w/e.
Profit.
Sounded better in my head, but why release something you're taking a bit of a risk with, not to mention competition knocking down the door at any time, if you're not going to aggressively market it?
Cue catchy saying about everyone in the game or w/e.
Profit.
Sounded better in my head, but why release something you're taking a bit of a risk with, not to mention competition knocking down the door at any time, if you're not going to aggressively market it?
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Celda.
I guess Capcom just expected more from it. We do know it put in a strong marketing campaign, but it's become clear most Japanese gamers prefer MH on the handheld. It's obviously hard to say how well MH Tri could have done on a non-Nintendo home console, but like Entertain's President said, Capcom had some big hurdles to deal with by putting MH Tri on it. The console may have had a big install base, but it didn't have a strong reputation for appealing to the hardcore gamer. According to the game's producer, they intended to want to reach out to a broader audience by putting it on the Wii, but it still wasn't enough to make it sell more strongly.
Well....hold up man. NO WAY way was Animal Crossing coming out in NA in 2012. No way. Localizing those games is not a walk in the park. That takes considerable time and effort. 2013? Sure. Not 2012...they simply weren't ready.
thanks. i thought it looked abnormally low, but i guess my source was just posting north american numbers for some reason.
it was at 11.6m after its first seven quarters.
They'll most likely show an all-new portable Zelda and some other big game at E3. Pushing back Animal Crossing even further will do more harm than good.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I was talking about Fire Emblem and Luigi's Mansion. The former doesn't need a year long localization and the latter was evidently done on time for last year.
What makes me wonder about the sincerity of Reggie's statement about being profitable after one game sale is that they sold way more software than Wii U's but the filed an operations loss they claim was due to Wii U being sold at a loss. Can someone explain please?
I turned out Reggie was misquoted. Reggie meant to say Nintendo had to sell more than one game to be profitable while selling Wii U at a loss. However, no exact number was given. Iwata did say prior to Wii U's launch, that he hoped the console would produce some evergreen titles, which would have obviously helped Nintendo out.
Reggie was apparently incorrect about that. Nintendo clarified that it is more than one game.
http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_22013695
Second correction at the top of the article.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
First 2 years:
Xbox 360
Q1: 1.5m (supply constrained in US/UK/+)
Q2: 1.7m (partial constraints continue)
Q3: 1.8m
Q4: 1m
Q5: 4.4m (channel stuffing, "first to 10m wins")
Q6: 0.5m
Q7: 0.7m
Q8: 1.8m
PlayStation 3
Q1: 1.7m (NA+JP launch)
Q2: 1.8m (EU launch)
Q3: 0.7m
Q4: 1.3m
Q5: 4.9m
Q6: 2.2m
Q7: 1.6m
Q8: 2.4m
Wii U
Q1: 3.06m
Q2: 0.94m (projected)
pieatorium
Member
the games themselves also cost money to make and would have to sell a certain amount before they start to make profit
I wanna see the receipts.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Great news for a Nintendo fanboy!
The worse Nintendo does, the more games they will try to push out in desperation.
The worse Nintendo does, the more games they will try to push out in desperation.
Father_Brain
Banned
ZombiU may be very good for what it is, but it's a slow-paced permadeath survival horror game made on a fraction of the budget of a game like ACIII. It's not AAA by any means, though I wonder if Nintendo may have convinced itself otherwise.
Spieler Eins
Member
And they've had two years in which the Wii was already dead.
AranhaHunter
Banned
Got proof?
Where on earth are you getting X360 figures from? They're so wrong.
Fixed them for you.
Also they did 1.8m in the US the Q they 'channel stuffed 4.4m'
If you're going to accuse me of lying, or of arguing in bad faith, then I'm not interested in trying to have a discussion with you.
Yeah I'm sure the dev kits were finalized two years ago and they were sitting on them while not developing games for 3DS.
Father_Brain
Banned
Andrew House's comments about Sony's intent for "the Vita business" to be profitable from day one do seem to support that conclusion. Not to mention that Sony pulled the 4GB cards from the Madden and ACIII:L bundles in what was blatantly a cash grab (though it was added back to the ACIII bundle, presumably in response to backlash).
zomgbbqftw
Banned
You've played Skyward Sword right?
His definition of waggle is unnecessary shake gestures in place of a button press.
Your definition is seems to be having heavy motion controls.
You're both right.
You may laugh, but that's how capitalism works when dealing with investors. You've got to beat expectations, and better your previous success.
H_Prestige
Banned
Well then can you give a reason why ps4 can't launch at $350, based on its technological makeup?
What makes you think the new Xbox will be any more expensive?
The only things known about Vita is that its retail price is about the same as its manufacturing costs and that Sony thinks (thought?) it would take a few years for the business to turn a profit.
Except you realize 3DS has not meet Nintendo's own conservative sales estimates right? Cutting their projected 3DS sales is a major element in the recent stock hit.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I got them here. Your "fixed" figures are from where?
GiantBreadbug
Member
I'm pretty sure that you are actually secretly me. This is what I came in here to post.
Ahh OK, ths MS guys. So does this mean they need to sell 3+? That sounds insane and could mean Wii U is selling at $60+ loss. No way. I must missing something.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
He is wrong.
Q1 1.5
Q2 1.7
Q3 1.8
Q4 1.0
Q5 4.4
Q6 0.5
Q7 0.7
Q8 1.8
These are correct.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I think it certainly could, though I think the scale of loss Sony wants to eat and Microsoft's pricepoint will be the determining factors. And likewise I think Wii U's future pricepoints will depend on how Orbis/Durango get priced.
If there was a $350 Orbis model, it'd likely be HDD-less and go for a small (say 32GB) amount of on board flash instead. Sony's real advantage is their cheap controller versus the U Gamepad or Kinect 2, though the back touch pad is going to increase costs a little there too.
Steve Youngblood
Member
As someone who's not really a long-term Sales-Age expert, but does enjoy trying to get a better understanding of the business-side, I personally think getting an accurate idea of how the 3DS is performing to be one of the most difficult nuts to crack. My understanding of it is as follows: it got off to a rough start, but the price cut/ambassador program/big Mario games more or less salvaged it. As is, it's more or less doing "OK," but is underperforming Nintendo's expectations and is only truly soaring in Japan.
That's how I understand the situation. Basically, the overall assessment to me seems rather mediocre thus far. But there's no shortage of talk in terms of assessing it at the extremes that really muddies the waters for me. Some seem to classify it almost as an abject failure, while others just focus on the "tens of millions" sold to conclude that it's well on its way to being a very respectable successor to the smash hit DS.
Metroid In A Glass Tube
Banned
Yay?
So Wii is finally going to the 100 million milestone. Wii U sales in UK are much better than I thought they were, but software sales have been struggling in all regions. It seems like a lot of people have exaggerated the "doom" of Wii U's total hardware sales. 3 million seems very good even though it likely won't mean it can reach Nintendo's the original goal of 5.5 million by the end of the fiscal year. Do we know how much Xbox 360's global sales were between November and December 2005 ? i saw this on Wikipedia:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/moore-on-360-launch-nothings-perfect-6142087
I got it from the front page of the MH Tri Wiki. However, the link to the source are dead, but, as far as US first week sales go, Street Fighter 4 (PS3) sold 135k coming in at 10th place while the 360 version ranked 14th place with 108k copies to help put MH Tri's sales in perspective.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/moore-on-360-launch-nothings-perfect-6142087
I got it from the front page of the MH Tri Wiki. However, the link to the source are dead, but, as far as US first week sales go, Street Fighter 4 (PS3) sold 135k coming in at 10th place while the 360 version ranked 14th place with 108k copies to help put MH Tri's sales in perspective.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Whether or not it's doomed is kind of silly at this point in the game, but I don't understand how a revision of one's forecast to indicate that you expect to sell 27% fewer units than before can seem "very good."
Thank you for being one of the more reasonable posters in this discussion.
I meant it's still better than what some people expected Wii U sales to be at, but for Nintendo itself, it had higher expectations. I think Nintendo expected too much with little in the way of software releases to help boost Wii U sales for January and February.
NCL's logic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NeoGAF's logic.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I can kind of understand that. However, I would contend that beating the expectations of the more gloomy kneejerk reactionaries is hardly the new barometer for success.
Arkam
Member
Agreed. Thats why I expect a price drop before the others release. Nothing big, just a $50 drop and some aggressive Xmas bundles. It would nice to see how a $300 bundle with 32GB wiiu, Nintendoland and NSMB would sell.
Wickerbasket
Member
Even a broken clock is right twice a day, Pachter.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
To be fair, when it comes to Nintendo post-2009 he has been right pretty much across the board.
He's talking about software sales
January 30, 2013
3DS NDS Wii Wii U
Hardware 15.00 2.30 4.00 4.00
Software 50.00 33.00 50.00 16.00
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October 24, 2012
3DS NDS Wii Wii U
Hardware 17.50 2.50 5.00 5.50
Software 70.00 37.00 50.50 24.00
January 30, 2013
3DS NDS Wii Wii U
Hardware 15.00 2.30 4.00 4.00
Software 50.00 33.00 50.00 16.00
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October 24, 2012
3DS NDS Wii Wii U
Hardware 17.50 2.50 5.00 5.50
Software 70.00 37.00 50.50 24.00