grimshawish
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Maybe $299 losing $50 up front.
I would love to see this but it sounds insane. At least at a $50 loss.
Maybe $299 losing $50 up front.
No, they aren't. Microsoft has lost 3 billion on their gaming division since the launch of the of the 360, and Sony has lost close to 5 billion.
Microsoft's Entertainment division just posted a lost last week, despite the Holiday, making them loss leaders in the corporation for the year. I haven't seen Sony's numbers yet.
I would love to see this but it sounds insane. At least at a $50 loss.
No, they have made profit since the 360 was launched, get your facts straight.
And since it started profiting, $3.7B?
They lost $3.3b~ in the first years. (With RROD)
Microsoft's Entertainment division just posted a lost last week, despite the Holiday, making them loss leaders in the corporation for the year. I haven't seen Sony's numbers yet.
Microsoft's Entertainment division just posted a lost last week, despite the Holiday, making them loss leaders in the corporation for the year. I haven't seen Sony's numbers yet.
No they didn't, they posted a $596 million profit.
$600m profit actually.
There is nothing in PS4 from the leaked specs that points to expensive parts. It is a true bang for buck console.
Yes, anything can happen. But I don't know why that precludes analysis on how things are going now. It's not unreasonable to assess the current situation and surmise that things aren't looking good. Such an assessment doesn't tether you completely to a conclusion that we should stick a fork in this thing.
Wii U numbers are solid. Once some great games hit (an they will), Wii U will be selling really well. I also predict that we'll be seeing a strong game support from japanese developers.
Whether they're doing good or bad mostly has to do with their current projections, and while they may have public announcements to shareholders at different points in the year, it's likely impossible to know what their current projections are and whether or not their current stockholders are happy with them.
I'm surprised the 3DS is already at 30 million.
Wii U numbers are solid. Once some great games hit (an they will), Wii U will be selling really well. I also predict that we'll be seeing a strong game support from japanese developers.
Also, I believe some third party developers have already made their bets on Wii U and that those games will be shown at this years E3.
No, they aren't. Microsoft has lost 3 billion on their gaming division since the launch of the of the 360, and Sony has lost close to 5 billion. They've been profitable over the last few years since they've lowered manufacturing costs, but they are in no way profitable over the long term.
You're right, I was looking at the wrong quarter for Microsoft. Loss for the year on the Entertainment Division is expected based on their forecasts though.
I'm all for calling out nintendo... but when people say, and it's gonna get worse when the next twins arrive... prfff thats just wishing doom just like for the past what, 15 years? Whe don't even know the prices yet. The rumored specs sound like $450 to me, I wonder if market will accept that.
Things do not work like that. It's meaningless to sum all the profits and losses over the years. This is not domestic economy ;D
What truly matters is your current cash flow (basically if you have the money to keep your business going), how you're performing right now (making money or not, right now) and your chances of growth for the future.
You're right, I was looking at the wrong quarter for Microsoft. Loss for the year on the Entertainment Division is expected based on their forecasts though.
They just revised their sales forecast down 27%. How is that "solid"?
Surely;Things do not work like that. It's meaningless to sum all the profits and losses over the years. This is not domestic economy ;D
What truly matters is your current cash flow (basically if you have the money to keep your business going), how you're performing right now (making money or not, right now) and your chances of growth for the future.
I think you meant to post the actual Nintendo Co. Ltd. stock chart, which is 7974 listed on the Nikkei 225, not some ADR.It is not impossible to know what their current projections are. You can read them in the first post of this thread. And it's not impossible to know whether stockholders are happy with them. That information is right here:
Fair enough on the first point, but how a stock does, hour by hour, (or even month by month), says only a small part about the company's viability. Still, if I had to guess, I think Nintendo (like a lot of game companies), would be better off if they were a privately, rather than publicly traded company. Public trading is fine if you're large enough to ignore these sorts of dips, but smaller public stock-based companies have a much harder time dealing with them.It is not impossible to know what their current projections are. You can read them in the first post of this thread. And it's not impossible to know whether stockholders are happy with them. That information is right here:
So they got their sales forcast wrong? Big deal! Selling 3 Million units in just 2 month is still pretty solid in my book.
I'd have to agree. Nintendo's internal R&D launch window commitments haven't been this dire since N64:Shouldn't have delayed them in that case...
They don't give forecasts for the the division, stop making shit up.
Considering your own inherent outlook on all things Nintendo, I find this commentary rather hilarious.You're a glass half full kind of guy, huh? Maybe even a "dude, look at all that delicious water" kind of guy?
Fair enough on the first point, but how a stock does, hour by hour, (or even month by month), says only a small part about the company's viability. Still, if I had to guess, I think Nintendo (like a lot of game companies), would be better off if they were a privately, rather than publicly traded company. Public trading is fine if you're large enough to ignore these sorts of dips, but smaller public stock-based companies have a much harder time dealing with them.
I'd have to agree. Nintendo's internal R&D launch window commitments haven't been this dire since N64:
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Yeah, very reasonable specifications. The 4GB of GDDR5 might be the most costly out of all of it.$600m profit actually.
There is nothing in PS4 from the leaked specs that points to expensive parts. It is a true bang for buck console.
Absolutely right. Nintendo banked on NSMBU too much and it just hasn't taken off like they wanted it to. They needed a Zelda ready to go at launch.
Huh? Microsoft doesn't give forecasts, investment analysts do. Microsoft actually beat Q3 revenue forecasts, but they are below forecast for the year.
I wonder if they could have gone back to the Wii playbook and delayed Skyward Sword to being a Wii U/Wii game.
I can't say I disagree here. Though the hardware base wouldn't be there just yet for a huge system seller, Nintendo developed games typically have pretty long legs and sell well throughout the lifetime of a system.Absolutely right. Nintendo banked on NSMBU too much and it just hasn't taken off like they wanted it to. They needed a Zelda ready to go at launch.
So they got their sales forcast wrong? Big deal! Selling 3 million units in just 2 month is still pretty solid in my book.
Absolutely right. Nintendo banked on NSMBU too much and it just hasn't taken off like they wanted it to. They needed a Zelda ready to go at launch.
Absolutely right. Nintendo banked on NSMBU too much and it just hasn't taken off like they wanted it to. They needed a Zelda ready to go at launch.
Absolutely right. Nintendo banked on NSMBU too much and it just hasn't taken off like they wanted it to. They needed a Zelda ready to go at launch.
Would selling 2.5 million units have been solid as well? What about 2? I'm just trying to figure out what arbitrary number registers as solid in your book.
But Zelda just released the year before on Wii.
I think you meant to post the actual Nintendo Co. Ltd. stock chart, which is 7974 listed on the Nikkei 225, not some ADR.
Stockholders aren't happy, but the price has been stable over the last 6 months.
Fair enough on the first point, but how a stock does, hour by hour, (or even month by month), says only a small part about the company's viability. Still, if I had to guess, I think Nintendo (like a lot of game companies), would be better off if they were a privately, rather than publicly traded company. Public trading is fine if you're large enough to ignore these sorts of dips, but smaller public stock-based companies have a much harder time dealing with them.
But Zelda just released the year before on Wii.
Profit/loss isn't the only indicator I was looking at, the PSP -> Vita transition being an example. And that's the only one Kaz presided over so far.The PlayStation division exists to push Sony's other devices and brands. PlayStation will always be viable for Sony, and with Kaz in charge there will be no repeat of PS3 scale losses.
It's ridiculous. In interviews they seem to understand that potential launch buyers are probably more of a hobby gamer and yet they completely counted on NSMB and fucking karaoke plus fitness. The games from the Direct should have been the first batch of games, the ones they've started with should have been part of the second at minimum, when the install base is bigger and more casuals might grab the console...
Profit/loss isn't the only indicator I was looking at, the PSP -> Vita transition being an example. And that's the only one Kaz presided over so far.
I also doubt Orbis will bear the sort of insane losses PS3 did, but the days of using PlayStation to trojan other Sony initiatives seems to have gone the way of Kutaragi. Orbis won't have anything like the Bluray albatross around it's neck, though it also son't have the company wide benefit of being pushed through at all costs in service of that. It seems like PlayStation's back to being about PlayStation for the most part.
"PlayStation will always be viable" reminds me of "Mario will always drive hardware". I guess it might be true to an extent, until it isn't. See Walkman.
With February not having any new big Wii U titles until the end of the month, I suppose Nintendo was being realistic with changing its estimated Wii U hardware sales goal. Too bad February and March aren't likely going to be kind to Wii U software sales. There's too many big game releases coming out especially in March. Lego City may be able to do well, but I expect MH3U HD sales to be pretty weak. The stand alone sales were even low in Japan.