axiomnightmare
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Does anyone think a pricecut will ever come? Or will Nintendo just keep rebundling and repackaging stuff?
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Nintendo Q1 '09 Results
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axiomnightmare said:
Nintendo believes a pricecut will ultimately harm the sale of current and future hardware and software. They believe consumers will think they are better off waiting for a potential pricedrop rather than buying the full-priced system/game as early as possible.
A price-drop will the last resort after compelling software, re-packaging, and different colors.
axiomnightmare said:
Well, there's a good argument for suggesting Iwata will never want to make a price cut - he's stated many times he believes in improving the value proposition with interesting new software.
But on the flipside, he'll have no choice if he starts failing to find interesting new software.
So we'll know more when we've seen more about what they are releasing over the next year.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
The scary thing is that they still made money hand-over-fist. This is what makes being a Nintendo customer frustrating. They don't need you, and it's all too apparent.[Nintex] said:
vanguardian1
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[Nintex] said:
Fixed for accuracy.
Allan Holdsworth
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[Nintex] said:
Do you mean sales-wise? Because they have released Wario Land, Punchout, Another Code and Excitebots in that gap. Pretty good games, half of which sold fine, the other half bombed.
GitarooMan
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And it's still a massive drop.Ulairi said:
Nintendo did not lower their shipment expectations for this fiscal year, so they think they can maintain the prior numbers with their upcoming lineup. The three-punch-combo Wii Sports Resort/WiiFit Plus/NSMB could do wonders this Christmas. It will be interesting to watch.Ulairi said:
I think Nintendo will have to either release another as I call "all-star" Wii title. Wii Sports Resort is generating interest in Wii again, and it'll help place Wii as the #1 system this holiday, along with Wii Fit Plus. But, honestly, I don't see what else they could possibly do for the so-called "casual" crowd after this holiday. I'm not pandering to this stupid debate, but maybe they'll have to bring out some heavy-hitters in the next three years. We already have Galaxy 2, Metroid, and Zelda up and coming, along with all the (non-existent?) VC games and WiiWare. Besides, wasn't their whole plan to take these "casual" gamers and slowly introduce them to other core franchises like Mario/Zelda, ergo making more money off new and old (VC) releases? Also, Nintendo might also have to consider bringing some of those Japan-exclusive channels over here to keep every family's Wii "the center of attention."
For DS, well, just keep the good games coming. DSi might actually pick up this holiday season, however slightly. I can't imagine it being a huge sellout. But, eh. I won't be compelled to pick one up unless something meaningful can be downloaded from its service, just like Wii.
But, I trust Nintendo has something up its mighty sleeve. They always do. Who do we think they are? XD Sure, sales took a bit of a dive, but what did you expect? It wasn't a huge year for Wii. 2010 will do that. (Didn't we all say 2009 would be "year of the Wii"?
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For DS, well, just keep the good games coming. DSi might actually pick up this holiday season, however slightly. I can't imagine it being a huge sellout. But, eh. I won't be compelled to pick one up unless something meaningful can be downloaded from its service, just like Wii.
But, I trust Nintendo has something up its mighty sleeve. They always do. Who do we think they are? XD Sure, sales took a bit of a dive, but what did you expect? It wasn't a huge year for Wii. 2010 will do that. (Didn't we all say 2009 would be "year of the Wii"?
)marc^o^ said:
It's not inconceivable, especially in the U.S. The pressure of recession on entertainment spending in Nintendo's product space may serve to consolidate sales into the holiday season more than it creates an absolute drop in demand. I certainly don't expect them to be down anywhere near 60% year-on-year by the end of 2009.
Because I'm not really up to doing it myself, please everyone put "I assume" in front of every sentence in this post. Thanks.
Galaxy 2 and Metroid are there because of the screams and yells people let out following E3 2008. Zelda was supposed to be there for the same reason, but a bit of me thinks (and hopes they look at the original as a hint for it) Nintendo will make use of Zelda in their disruptive strategy, i.e. interface and approach.
NSMB Wii is just Nintendo realizing that the only competition is Little Big Planet. It had to happen sometime, I mean, it took them 15 years and NSMB's absolutely insane sales.
The "core" gamers that Nintendo want to make out of the "casual" gamers will not be the core gamers of our types, they will be core gamers who play Wii Sports Resort and Wii Fit Plus (the new core games). Nintendo are essentially transforming both old core and new casual into a new core that will help them stand on their next disruption.
Brawl is close, but on a much smaller scale than the bigger Wii titles, and Galaxy was just "puff" out. Especially in Japan.
But I guess that goes to every single post on this forum
Wii Sports Resort is not generating interest in the Wii. It's generating interest in motion controls in the core crowd (and no one bring reviews up, I'm talking about actual customers here).JCngplus said:
Galaxy 2 and Metroid are there because of the screams and yells people let out following E3 2008. Zelda was supposed to be there for the same reason, but a bit of me thinks (and hopes they look at the original as a hint for it) Nintendo will make use of Zelda in their disruptive strategy, i.e. interface and approach.
NSMB Wii is just Nintendo realizing that the only competition is Little Big Planet. It had to happen sometime, I mean, it took them 15 years and NSMB's absolutely insane sales.
The "core" gamers that Nintendo want to make out of the "casual" gamers will not be the core gamers of our types, they will be core gamers who play Wii Sports Resort and Wii Fit Plus (the new core games). Nintendo are essentially transforming both old core and new casual into a new core that will help them stand on their next disruption.
Rather than looking at the months the game came out in, look at the months following. If the sales hold up, the game is a system seller because it consistently sells at a pace similar to the pace the Wii is selling at. Meaning, people who buy the Wii buy the game = they bought a Wii to play the game.HK-47 said:
Brawl is close, but on a much smaller scale than the bigger Wii titles, and Galaxy was just "puff" out. Especially in Japan.
Grampa Simpson
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It's interesting that they're still forecasting the sale of 26,000,000 Wii this financial year. I wonder if they have something unexpected in store.
Caesar III
Member
What DS games made by Ubisoft are worth it besides Dawn of Discovery (Anno)? Imagine Babiez? Imagine Horzez?deathkiller said:
Those casuals only buy those games ONEZ! They are not rebuyer if the content is kinda similar. That caused Ubisofts nosedive sells wise.
Even if there is a 50% cut in sales for Nintendo those numbers are impressive. Especially those 107mio DS'.
Because we are talking about new value of the Wii package: Any news on the new Wii remotes with included WM+? Is this even planned? I thought it was. This would make a nice package:
Wii
2 Wiimotes with included WM+ Addon
2 Nunchuk
1000WiiPoints
scratch card with random Wiiware/VC Code for a game
WiiSports & WiiSports Resort
donkey show
Member
LOL, whut?upandaway said:
Unless NSMB Wii has a robust level editor we don't know about (that would be fucking awesome), it's a pipe dream to think LBP forced the hand of Nintendo to release NSMB Wii.
Opiate said:
I don't think it can get much worse than this though, if it can get worse at all. Wii sales have stabilised in the US and in Japan they've gotten better (although admittedly not by much, MH3 and the black Wii are just around the corner). We don't know how they're faring in Europe since the GAME report was published. Nintendo's not exactly in the worst position one can be and still say "it can only get better from here".
Jokeropia said:
No, I'm using stock as a gauge of expectations.
I'm not judging by stock, but I'm also not judging exclusively by profit, either. Other major concerns are growth and sustainability.
Nintendo still has the profit, but not the growth or sustainability. They could get them back -- I'm not suggesting these are permanent issues -- I'm just saying that they aren't there for this particular quarter in this particular year.
upandaway said:
Hmm...either way, after throwing a whole event in Times Square and the already large popularity that Wii has, I think it'll do nothing but grow. Nintendo's obviously interested in marketing these types of games in all this glitz and glamor, so it'll still, either directly or indirectly, give rise to an even large interest in Wii. We'll see just how well Resort did with next month's NPD, so long as we're not talking about reviews. ;-)
Eh, so what if they won't be of our types? The main goal would be what I said before, because that just means more money for Nintendo in the end. But, if one person is so concerned about the "casual takeover, omg" they should just worry about what games are coming their way for whatever console they have, or just be quiet. Nintendo's "expanded market" will truly be put the test next generation. Wii's done its job, so they'll play it out for as long as possible. So, a drop in sales here or there doesn't mean much. Besides, it's the summer. Gaming doesn't do well now.
This response to the dip in sales is just a knee-jerk reaction. Nintendo will be back on top soon enough, like it or not.
I'm surprised at the increase in sales of DS and DS software in Japan. I guess the recession has helped to moved handheld sales because of the lower costs.
Also interesting to note that they are continuing to hire more people despite the recession and decreased revenue. End of fiscal year report (03/31/09) showed # employees at 4130, and now at 4306.
Also interesting to note that they are continuing to hire more people despite the recession and decreased revenue. End of fiscal year report (03/31/09) showed # employees at 4130, and now at 4306.
JCngplus said:
The Wii has done enormously well in the summer, every summer if I'm not mistaken, in the past. We're not comparing the Wii to other consoles anymore at this point; in a comparison to itself, it's not doing very well right now. Not that it's particularly surprising. Economy mixed with Nintendo doing little in the big release department and having so few 3rd party games of quality to back them up will do that to a system. Even this one.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Nintendo's stock on the Nikkei closed at +2.5% today.Opiate said:
Segata Sanshiro
Member
I think you saw yesterday's info. It fell bad yesterday, but today it was right back up to normal with a few points for garnish.Opiate said:
Not taking away anything from the fact that Nintendo did come in under expectations, though. That's true.
One of the things nintendo should do it's put inside every box a 2000 or 5000 Nintendo Points Card and a catalogue with the most downloaded games in the VC and WiiWare, that would not only be very good added value to the console but it will boost the use of internet connection and even more the sales of the VC and Wiiware...
Starwolf_UK
Member
Nintendo could be exploring that in a different was as the "Get your wii connected" video channel thing that apppears on all new Wiis and also the 1000 free DSi points you get when connecting to the DSi shop for the first time show.NRiQ said:
Though with the DSi points I have a feeling Nintendo wants to keep that a gift for the early consumers (kind of like how the free internet browser was for the Wii).
I'm curious to see if either of those avenues has done anything to boost connectivity and retruning customers to the shop services.
Still what is it with companies putting out underachieving fiscal reports for periods right before their big titles hit?
donkey show said:
Vinci said:
That's exactly what I said. What do you want from me?MoogPaul said:
My point was that Nintendo was avoiding releasing a 2D Mario on consoles, and because of the sales of NSMB as well as the fact there is no competition (to which I meant by mentioning that the only competition is LBP, I thought it was obvious enough), they decided to use a 2D Mario as a "rescuer" of some sort for 2009 (cheap to develop and easy to sell).
By saying the only competition is LBP, I essentially said there is no competitor on the market that can threaten NSMB Wii sales. Not only because LBP is so different, but also because it's a failure.
BishopLamont
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It's not considered competition if it's different and a supposed failure.
BishopLamont
Banned
Almost correct. NSMB DS is the only competition.upandaway said:
I think that the massive gap for platformers in the Wii market, and the massive popularity of 2D Mario titles are obviously the reasons why they made a sequel on Wii. A sequel on DS would have meant massive sales, but little to nothing in terms of hardware boost unless the game was vastly different. Wii doesn't have a mass market 2D platformer.rpmurphy said:
Lots of things are within the realm of possiblity, like Sony making GT5 because of PGR, but it's really because of how successful the franchise is and the system selling potential of GT on a system that it's not already on.
schuelma said:
Then would'nt they have revised it down? Nintendo is very conservative and keeping that big a goal and having it not be met will look worse from a financial standpoint.
I would not be surprised if they had one mega game that we were not told about to come out at Christmas (outside NSMB Wii), we tend to only get a 2-3 month window for their game releases as is
And Gamestop said that Nintendo was going to need a lot of shelf space, could be for WF+ and NSMB Wii, or it could be for a surprise title.