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Nintendo: We Should Have Explained Wii U Better (Gamasutra)
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lawblob said:
The lack of focus on the zelda HD demo reminds me of the way Mario Galaxy was unvieled at its first E3.
They had people come out and play wii sports on-stage, and they only showed a little trailer of the fucking awesome Mario Galaxy, which was actually playable with a meaty demo on the showfloor.
From a marketing perspective it worked out, but nintendo themselves said that they want to focus on "deeper and wider" with this console, which should mean that a Zelda demo should get as much focus as mii oriented mini-games.
robor said:
Ghost Recon's trailer, for all its faults, does show how the controller can be used to augment gameplay. In fact, with the exception of the controller's camera, it showed every single function including in-game voice chat. Zelda HD was just a great way to connect the entire conference seamlessly together given the anniversary, and it would have been visually impressive.
They should have probably also shown the e3.nintendo.com vids of people playing Chase Mii and Battle Mii. Those look fun despite being heavily Wii based, but they do show the asymmetrical benefits of the new controller.
Grampa Simpson
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I don't think that they'd ever admit to the bias that's required for that type of reaction.FoneBone said:
It would require a bit too much introspection.
Krowley said:
context is important, though I'm not going to challenge your core point, wiisports.galaxy presentation are of REAL games at E32006 when Wii was mere months away.
The equivalent reveal a year prior, in E3 2005, we didn't get name or any demo reels, just the casing and a speech for Iwata.
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So we are again at the point calling the name out for being a reason for it not to sell. Because so many people had a problem buying a Wii... yeah I can totally see how everyone would hate to buy a Wii U.
The Wii U like the Wii needs a media blitz, with tours, hands on and star appeal for the comercials. The name is irrelevant. It's the image you're selling and as long as Nintendo doesn't fuck up the advertisement like with the 3DS, the Wii U will sell, and People will understand that it is a new console with new tech and new games. In fact, Nintendo could easily go out there and say: And for all our loyal fans, you can still use those expensive accessories you bought for Wii. Motion Plus... works, Zapper? Works! etc etc...
Hell specs mean nothing. If that was true, then no one, and I mean literally no one would play on consoles and everyone would run high end gaming PCs. Harping on console specs is in itself ironic, if not to say moronic, cause they allways, even at launch represent the average tech when considering PCs.
At the topic on hand, yeah, the Conference was structured bad. The controller was demonstrated well. People instantly got the idea, and the possibilities are amazing, but the console itself was marginalized to a ridiculous amount.
They should've held it up at the beginning saying: This is the Wii U. It's going to be super powerfull, but we still haven't finished our specs so we'll have to disclose that information later. For now let me show you, what we think is the more important aspect: The new controller!
Problem solved.
The Wii U like the Wii needs a media blitz, with tours, hands on and star appeal for the comercials. The name is irrelevant. It's the image you're selling and as long as Nintendo doesn't fuck up the advertisement like with the 3DS, the Wii U will sell, and People will understand that it is a new console with new tech and new games. In fact, Nintendo could easily go out there and say: And for all our loyal fans, you can still use those expensive accessories you bought for Wii. Motion Plus... works, Zapper? Works! etc etc...
Hell specs mean nothing. If that was true, then no one, and I mean literally no one would play on consoles and everyone would run high end gaming PCs. Harping on console specs is in itself ironic, if not to say moronic, cause they allways, even at launch represent the average tech when considering PCs.
At the topic on hand, yeah, the Conference was structured bad. The controller was demonstrated well. People instantly got the idea, and the possibilities are amazing, but the console itself was marginalized to a ridiculous amount.
They should've held it up at the beginning saying: This is the Wii U. It's going to be super powerfull, but we still haven't finished our specs so we'll have to disclose that information later. For now let me show you, what we think is the more important aspect: The new controller!
Problem solved.
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I don't know. If they said anything, it would be embedded in their four hour long livestreams that I couldn't stay up and listen to because I live on the correct coast of America.Gravijah said:
Hellraizah
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Another thing that Nintendo should worry about : People are already calling the Wii dead. Their next console is coming out in +/- 1 year. People will think about how the other consoles lasted longer and they had the last year as a desert with nothing to play. This ain't going to be an easy success.
Some people here seems to think that Nintendo are invincible and that whatever they do, it's going to be the massive success of Wii/DS. Just look at the 3DS sales. Just think of the status of Nintendo before that generation. They are not magically immune to anything. Even Apple isn't.
Problems they are going to have to sell to the casuals :
- Wiimotes still in use, they are the same, why upgrade?
- A lot of soccer moms bought the Wii for Wii Fit, and the board has been collecting dust for 2 years now, was probably bought on impulse, probably went back to "no interest in video games"
Problems they are going to have to sell to the hardcore :
- Depends on graphic, but I would bet that the graphics ain't going to be that much better than PS360
- Some will see the new controller as a useless gimmick (well, the screen)
- Already didn't like the Wii stuff, new console is called WiiU and even Iwata says the console is not that much different
Some people here seems to think that Nintendo are invincible and that whatever they do, it's going to be the massive success of Wii/DS. Just look at the 3DS sales. Just think of the status of Nintendo before that generation. They are not magically immune to anything. Even Apple isn't.
Problems they are going to have to sell to the casuals :
- Wiimotes still in use, they are the same, why upgrade?
- A lot of soccer moms bought the Wii for Wii Fit, and the board has been collecting dust for 2 years now, was probably bought on impulse, probably went back to "no interest in video games"
Problems they are going to have to sell to the hardcore :
- Depends on graphic, but I would bet that the graphics ain't going to be that much better than PS360
- Some will see the new controller as a useless gimmick (well, the screen)
- Already didn't like the Wii stuff, new console is called WiiU and even Iwata says the console is not that much different
Jin34 said:
Rumors are not always true. Get used to that possibility.
Secondly, Nintendo showed the thing in such a Wii-heavy context as to make people question whether the controller was something being added to the Wii. If you cannot, at all, imagine how that is possible you are way too narrow-minded.
jay said:
Not the ones corroborated by multiple outlets from different sources saying the same general thing and Nintendo confirming new system at E3, then the first reveal is the same controller every single rumor had mentioned. So basically the only way this was only a peripheral is if Nintendo trolled 3rd parties too.
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v1oz said:
Yea because they are hurting for cash. How do you know that btw? When was the last time they released a home console that wasn't gimped somehow?
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EmCeeGramr said:
In their defence, it was a video montage so we don't know how it was encoded, and apparently one of the games had a FRAPS logo on it so who knows what settings they were using or where they got those clips from.
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That's definitely a factor, but it was kinda embarrassing that they seemed so quick to agree on that. At least Brad was a bit reluctant to agree to it and brought up the point that it was probably not running on Wii U hardware.Zombie James said:
Grampa Simpson
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Personally, I think that some of it is cognitive bias, but I think a majority of the problem are gaffers being intentionally obtuse.Jin34 said:
I'm fully willing to chalk giant bomb up to being cognitive bias. Some of the shenanigans that I've seen on this board I can't be so charitable about.
People complaining about the lack of games shown seem to forget that the initial Wii reveal had even less shown. Once again people read too much into the fake rumors and got their expectations too high. I do think however they should've just called the system Yu and showed off the console along with the controller to avoid confusion.
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Hellraizah said:
Well I remember the Gamecube being dead for quite some time before the Wii came to the market, let alone the N64, which was so barren before the Gamecube came out that I bought a Dreamcast (best decision ever) instead of waiting for the Gamecube.
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Vinci said:
It was awesome! But the marketing was horrible and it was a purple lunchbox. Also no DVD playback when DVD players were becoming a huge market. it didn't launch with a Mario game which imo was the biggest mistake.
evilromero
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How could people be confused about this? There wasn't a point when I thought, "Gee, is the system IN the controller?"
Hellraizah
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boris feinbrand said:
Well, the Wii wasn't called GamecubeU. People didn't necessarily associate it with a dead console.
Jin34 said:
http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=429803
You are using hindsight to choose which specific rumors were obviously true and which were not.
Grampa Simpson said:
During the presentation? No. There have been many intelligent GAFfers (not including myself here) who said that it at least made them second guess the rumors as actually something relating to the Wii itself, and not having anything to do with the new console.
After the presentation, when information became more plentiful? Yes.
robor said:
Hmm. I'll make a prediction too: Unless Sony comes up with something that shows genuine innovation and imagination, as opposed to being late to the game with marketable ideas as they have been a lot the last several years, they will never be market leader again. Microsoft has too firm a handle on developers and too much money, and Nintendo is simply better focused as a company and has the most marketable brands in the gaming world.
I love Sony, but the number of times something has come out and set the world on fire, only to have Sony come out and say, "Yeah, we've been toying around with that idea for years too" shows a gross disinterest in applying research to product.
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There is no defence needed, only an eye specialist and some glasses. Seriously, this in particular shows how mind sets are defined, and it makes it clear that it is not the power of the system but the name of the company that warps peoples eyesight.Zombie James said:
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robor said:
I agree. Personally Nintendo has an extremely steep and uphill battle to win me over and Microsoft seems to be forgetting about me more and more as they pursue Kinect and media. Sony remains focused at the hardcore gamer with what I truly believe is the most diverse portfolio and if they keep their eyes on the prize I think they can have a great next gen.
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