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No major third party support in the Wii horizon, why?
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PantherLotus
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JJConrad said:The biggest problem is that GAF has crap tastes and lables any PS3/360 title as "major" support. Case in pointrevious releases of these series weren't most unnoticed. None of these games would have been considered major titles on the Wii, and I'd bet people would just be complaining that it wasn't getting some other series instead. (Mafia 2 was first announced in August, and when did Tomb Raider get unbanned?)
There is still a lot of talk about games that were announced years ago. When people talk about major support they still think of MGS4, FFXIII, GTA4 and RE5 first. We're still waiting, with no firm release dates for any. Barring being cancelled and sent over, these games just won't be released on the Wii. Other games in the series will, but they proabably "won't count" when they do.
How many people believe that Capcom has been supporting the 360 and PS3 well? How many people realize that Capcom has yet to release a PS3 game to retail and hasn't released a 360 game like that since Lost Planet? Everything has been small download games. DMC4 will be their first Ps3 game and their first 360 game in a year. That is not good support.
Konami, Square-Enix, Take-Two are all stringing people along in similar manner.
very significant points in this post and GAF should read them again.
Tristam said:I thought you avoided 3D platformers.
Yep, but Galaxy transcends that. Asked my wife to get it for me for my birthday a few days ago because I didn't want to feel directly responsible for burning myself on yet another 3d platformer whose camera made me sick or whose gameplay put me to sleep. Now I'm about 55 stars in and it's certainly among my Top 3 GOTY and probably my favorite 3d platformer ever. Hell, I couldn't even get into Mario 64 but Galaxy is just wow. Really made me want more good Wii games, though obviously Galaxy is a once-or-twice-a-gen kind of thing.
I think it's mostly because the bigger third party games like Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed will sell really well on 360. They're traditional, easier for developers to make, tried-and-true formulas, they already invested in the resources for these kinds of games, and they're making a lot of money. But with Wii's growing userbase and newer examples from Nintendo on how to make Wii software (like Galaxy), we'll probably start seeing more new things on Wii.
I'm starting to wonder if it'll be like NES, where it starts out mostly supported by Nintendo, but ends up getting very innovative games from third parties. At least, I hope for my Wii's sake that that happens.
I'm starting to wonder if it'll be like NES, where it starts out mostly supported by Nintendo, but ends up getting very innovative games from third parties. At least, I hope for my Wii's sake that that happens.
jman2050 said:
I've gotten laughed out of these threads before by team Ninty for saying long ago 3rd parties wouldn't flock to Wii because of the install base. That software sales and the combined PS3/360 userbase would overcome it. I'll be back in 6 months when you guys are still asking why the big 3rd party games aren't coming to Wii.
1) Many 3rd party devs don't like Ninty or the direction they want to take gaming
2) Downporting from 360/PS3 probably isn't high on the priority list
3) 360 software sales are amazing
Zerodoppler
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Jokeropia said:
You mean #1 as in earns them loads of cash? Well, if you take a look at the third party games on the DS, you'll soon realize that the games are profitable because they were dirt cheap to make. No resources needed to be shifted to make them.
Anyway... how about rounding up the notable 3rd party series that have seen core sequels migrate to Wii over PCS360? I'll go first with some JP stuff!
Capcom
-Monster Hunter
-Devil Kings
SEGA
-Super Monkey Ball
-Puyo Puyo
-NiGHTS
Chunsoft
-Fushigi no Dungeon
MMV/Natsume
-Harvest Moon
-River King
Tecmo
-Fatal Frame
...what else?
Capcom
-Monster Hunter
-Devil Kings
SEGA
-Super Monkey Ball
-Puyo Puyo
-NiGHTS
Chunsoft
-Fushigi no Dungeon
MMV/Natsume
-Harvest Moon
-River King
Tecmo
-Fatal Frame
...what else?
To be fair: High budget games on 360 often have success. It's not like third parties really need to release this kind of games on Wii, at least at the moment. The Wii's strength now are low to mid budget games, with a few exceptions (Monster Hunter 3?) and Nintendo's own big guns.schuelma said:
Then again, the situation won't stay this way. The userbase is growing hugely, the third parties can't ignore this fact. I expect some big titles coming in the third year of the Wii, maybe there are already some in the second half this year.
Another thing to keep in mind, is that most devs/publishers just didn't expected the success of the Wii, so they put a lot of money and teams working on the other 2 consoles...
You can't expect them to just waste those millions and restart from scratch in a year. Most studios/devs/publishers started taking the Wii "seriously" by Spring-Summer 2007...6 months is not enough time to make a good Wii game (or any game for that matter, a port usually can be done in 1-3 months depending on the quality though), and that's just the port of the engine, so what they have been releasing right now is mostly just the shovelware and ports they already had in the pipeline, while they make the "good games"... (hopefully )
You can't expect them to just waste those millions and restart from scratch in a year. Most studios/devs/publishers started taking the Wii "seriously" by Spring-Summer 2007...6 months is not enough time to make a good Wii game (or any game for that matter, a port usually can be done in 1-3 months depending on the quality though), and that's just the port of the engine, so what they have been releasing right now is mostly just the shovelware and ports they already had in the pipeline, while they make the "good games"... (hopefully
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Eteric Rice
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jarrod said:
King Story, Final Fantasy CC, and uhhh...
speculawyer
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ksamedi said:
Some people swear by the Wii version of Madden due to the motion controls. However, don't expect it to look like the HD versions of Madden.
Perhaps this thread should be called "Why can't developers make games on an SDTV machine with a processor a little better than last gen look just as good as HDTV machines with multi-core processors?"
There is lot's third party support for the Wii, it's just that it's not aimed at the hardcore. I would say that there are two reasons for this:
First, Nintendo is ignoring the hardcore, the Ninthings can say what they want, but when half of the big N's E3 conference consisted of youtube movies that might be a hint. Oh sure, there are the usual games and SSBB will be huge, but Nintendo isn't spotlighting these games. Third parties see this behaviour and follow in their footsteps. Wii won't see a significant increase in hardcore (abbreviated hc from now on) games until Nintendo takes the first steps.
The second is that it seems many 3rd parties don't know how to create a hc game for the Wii. They don't know where to start and how to impress gamers. Graphics? Impossible. Clever online implementation? Impossible.
And face it, the wiimote just isn't ideal for many genres and for some it's downright impossible (like fighters). On the other hand, it's ideal for minigames.
Add the simplicity of ps2 ports and a userbase which consists of Nintendo fans who buy primarly Nintendo games and Soccer Moms who want to play with their kids, it seems little no surprise that 3rd parties will go down the path of least resistance and quick money.
That being said, I think the situation will improve, but it's gonna take a long time.
First, Nintendo is ignoring the hardcore, the Ninthings can say what they want, but when half of the big N's E3 conference consisted of youtube movies that might be a hint. Oh sure, there are the usual games and SSBB will be huge, but Nintendo isn't spotlighting these games. Third parties see this behaviour and follow in their footsteps. Wii won't see a significant increase in hardcore (abbreviated hc from now on) games until Nintendo takes the first steps.
The second is that it seems many 3rd parties don't know how to create a hc game for the Wii. They don't know where to start and how to impress gamers. Graphics? Impossible. Clever online implementation? Impossible.
And face it, the wiimote just isn't ideal for many genres and for some it's downright impossible (like fighters). On the other hand, it's ideal for minigames.
Add the simplicity of ps2 ports and a userbase which consists of Nintendo fans who buy primarly Nintendo games and Soccer Moms who want to play with their kids, it seems little no surprise that 3rd parties will go down the path of least resistance and quick money.
That being said, I think the situation will improve, but it's gonna take a long time.
vanguardian1
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TheRipDizz said:
I was under the impression that they were doing fine on the DS. We've had a pair of fair disappointments on the 360 (Blue Dragon, and I don't expect too much out of Lost Odyssey for NA/EU, although it's realistic style may appeal more to 360 users), with 1 release for PS3 (can't remember the title) and Wii (Opoona in Japan) each also.
And remember that although many "core" gamers love the 360, there are still those that don't care for it at all.
That being said, I may eventually pick up an arcade when it hits $150, since i have no use for the differences between the arcade and premium.
Sadly though, at this point, the only "hope" for a solid FPS (story, single player, same console multiplayer, online multiplayer) on Wii is Red Steel 2. And we know Ubisoft's track record. >.<
unomas said:
Maybe because people like it? Its basically Wiisports 2. The point is that some games have a better chance of selling on the Wii than others. Almost all multiplatform Wii games sell like crap because they are made for other platforms first and ported later on with replacements of buttons with motion. Many Wii owners probably also have a PS2 or a 360 so most of the time people have other choices for there multiplatform games. Most of the time those choices are the better ones as well. Like the Need for Speed games for example. A Wii game should be exlusive or the better/equal version of a multiplatform release to sell well. Look at Resident evil Wii edition or Guitar Hero 3.
Starchasing
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JJConrad said:The biggest problem is that GAF has crap tastes and lables any PS3/360 title as "major" support. Case in point
There is still a lot of talk about games that were announced years ago. When people talk about major support they still think of MGS4, FFXIII, GTA4 and RE5 first. We're still waiting, with no firm release dates for any. Barring being cancelled and sent over, these games just won't be released on the Wii. Other games in the series will, but they proabably "won't count" when they do.
How many people believe that Capcom has been supporting the 360 and PS3 well? How many people realize that Capcom has yet to release a PS3 game to retail and hasn't released a 360 game like that since Lost Planet? Everything has been small download games. DMC4 will be their first Ps3 game and their first 360 game in a year. That is not good support.
Konami, Square-Enix, Take-Two are all stringing people along in similar manner.
Funny thing is that most gaffers will read that and totally ignore it.
In my opinion most companies put their eggs in the PS360 basket and didnt count on Wii. Anyone that know how bussines are run knows that you just dont press a button that says "lets make wii games" and after that you have plenty of games. It takes time for many reasons.
Eventually at this rate, Wii will be considered the number 1 console for hardcore gamers, and companies will love making games for them since there are cheaper to make. By then 360 and ps3 will be at PSP position, at best
thats not true, the thing is that sucky games overuse it just for the novelty.
The good games have a balanced use of waggle. Thats how it is supposed to be
#1 as in it gets the most (even big franchise) support.Zerodoppler said:
And you know, because they sell like gangbusters.Zerodoppler said:
Whether or not it was necessary, PSP resources was shifted into DS resources.Zerodoppler said:
Primarily the 07 version, though. By most accounts 08 was a step down.speculawyer said:
*rolleyes*Xapati said:
No, I meant core series sequels... not spinoffs (FFCC) or new games (King Story). Actually, Wii's getting quite a few interesting original efforts from JP 3rd parties (Zack & Wiki, Fragile, Oboro Muramasa Youtouden, Elebits, Dewey, etc).Eteric Rice said:King Story, Final Fantasy CC, and uhhh...
Confidence Man
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Starchasing said:
At what rate? :lol
The hardcore market will only become more solidified in the PS3/360 stratum as time goes on.
Starchasing
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jman2050 said:
my guess is
360 will sell a little above XBOX and PS3 will get gamecubed, and 360 will be its PS2.
Wii will end being what it is supposed to be , an everyman console.... not counting graphics whores of course
The graohic whore market will only become more solidified in the PS3/360 stratum as time goes on. And they both will reach the saturation point sooner
Or we'll read it and think back to all the threads where games like Dewy, Nights, and Z&W were considered major 3rd party support. Nfans are easily just as guilty of listwar idiocy.Starchasing said:
For the 360 to be at PSP position software would actually have to start selling negative numbers.
vanguardian1
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No6 said:
I was under the impression that GH3 for Wii in North America was nearing the 360's frontsided numbers?
Zerodoppler
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Jokeropia said:
Ok, so what are those big franchises you talk about? Dragon Quest and...?
So you will read it and the point will go right over your head.No6 said:
Better yet, tell me which of those games were successful. Kameo got mixed reviews and relatively low sale, puzzle and niche games are almost non-existent on the 360 and Scene it...well I'm sure in your world Scene It will be better received than wiisports.No6 said:
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