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Nokia Lumia 2520 tablet is official
- Thread starter Groof
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I am. Spotify IE > Spoitfy App. IE also works in the background. You can run IE+Spotify and play Halo at the same time. You can't on any other tablet.
The reason people say RT is a muted OS is because in comparison to W8, it is. But in comparison to W8, Android is also muted and iOS is basically starting a fire with a stick.
So on what ground can RT not copete with Android and iOS?
That's what makes it muted. There is a perfectly fine OS in W8 that should be on all devices that have RT
Apps.
RT is built for Apps and to compete with iOS and Android they are failing.
The only solution is to get rid of RT and give a full OS on all their devices
If mostly browsing, why not something cheaper like a nexus?
Is android that much better? For tablet specific/optimised apps I mean? I think Ipad is significantly ahead of both.
Saying there is a perfectly good OS in W8 just seems odd though. Do people complain that they can't run OSX apps on ipad?
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Muted OS=/=Lacking Appstore. As am OS, RT is more capable than iOS and Android. If RT didn't exist, devs would create x86 version of apps and Arm versions, making it more of a hassle to support Windows 8's app store. Sure, windows 8 has a lot of legacy apps, but those apps run in desktop environment, which is touch unfriendly.
RT is the better choice for Microsoft in terms of App store support. How would a full OS help the casual consumer buy a Windows tablet? If anything, it'll steer them away.
To be honest I can't answer your question as I've never owned a tablet. (to be fair I do have an Android tablet given to my daughter. Bought from Hong Kong markets and is as appealing and useful as goat veal for a vegetarian)
I have owned and used Apple and Android devices as phones though.
As a phone I hated my Apple. Terrible piece of equipment.
I had a HTC Sensation (maybe an Incredible) that was rubbish as well.
Currently I sport a Samsung Note and an S3. They are the best smart phones I've ever had.
Perhaps this is the root of my argument. I don't want a tablet in the sense of not having a full desktop experience.
Tablets have never been on my radar because they didn't seem useful to me; just another piece of specialised equipment that I didn't have a need for.
With W8 on a tablet I finally have something that'll do everything I want
Edit - Just a thought as well. If RT was so flash why can't it compete with iOS and Android? Serious question there
The root of your arguement is that your personal prefrence in a tablet, it should run a desktop os. Neither Android or iOS offer this, in fact RT is closest you'll get to it on ARM. Yes your first post is "RT cannot compete with iOS and Android".
According to you, RT cannot compete with iOS and Android, because you want a desktop OS on a tablet that neither Android or iOS provide. I hope you realise how rediculous this sounds.
You *can't* put proper Windows on an ARM.
ARM CPUs can't run Intel code. It is utterly impossible because ARM CPUs are a lot slower than Intel CPUs. That's why ARM CPUs consume less battery power, and that's why they're popular for phones and tablets.
It sounds like what you really want is for Windows tablets to have Intel CPUs.
That is a very different request. There are plenty of Windows tablets that are using Intel CPUs that you can buy now, or in the near future. Some with really fast Intel Core CPUs (like the Surface Pro 2), and some with slower and cheaper Intel Baytrail CPUs.
sixteen-bit
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it's colorful
Via Purifico
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You have to take into account the fact that IE11/10 metro is a full screen browser (not windowed or with tabs) and gives you the possibility of pinning the website to the start screen, thus basically having the equivalent of an app. Considering the fact that most apps are light versions of the full website experience there is nothing wrong with prefering the website.
That red coloured version looks so damn good, I really wish they would have released a cheaper wifi only version.
juliushandle
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69ovJCif7nA
video editor from Nokia actually has more features than what I expected. I can imagine myself editing videos on a plane from a vacation. Not bad for a $499 device.
video editor from Nokia actually has more features than what I expected. I can imagine myself editing videos on a plane from a vacation. Not bad for a $499 device.
Bomber Bob
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no intel? will buy for 99e
Via Purifico
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There is the dell venue pro if you really want an intel tablet, I don't know if it has LTE though
Bomber Bob
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dunno if we'll get that dell in europe
plus everything nokia is dirty cheap here, so im really wishing for a nokia x86 tablet
Chiaroscuro
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The problem with RT is the lack of vision. We got WP and we got W8, RT is in between. But WP is growing faster, getting support for bigger screens. Eventually WP will turn RT irrelevant or at least MS will merge WP and RT. But then what about those old RT devices?
juliushandle
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they're ARM, same as WP. They'll run Microsoft's mobile OS. RT and WP have no problem combining into one OS, technically. App devs need to step up and update their apps for both phone and tablet though.
juliushandle
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as far as lack of vision. what happens to apple when mac users demand iOS on their PC's? will apple bridge the 2 OS's into one? if so, they'll experience the same growing pains MS is going through now. if apple does make it happen though, MS will have had a lead in streamlining their OS.
RT/WP is vital for Microsoft, it isn't going away. If MS loses the mobile market then they'll cease to exist.
SquiddyCracker
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Apple, unlike MS, understands that the desktop/laptop experience and requirements is different.
Sure, you used to have people who used their big chunky PCs (be they OSX or Windows) for facebook, browsing, and movies, but now that Apple has successfully sucked those less demanding users into the tablet market, they've left the more complex home-PC alone - refined it, not simplified it.
MS on the otherhand, still thinking some casual users haven't all just migrated to iPads, just made a mess of their home OS in an attempt to draw in the facebook/internet browsing types, but in the process ended up pissing off the PC power users who aren't at all interested in tablet like interfaces and simplicity on their home PC that they game, work, and create on.
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dem
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RT is the one that is going to be staying..
RT will continue running Windows Store apps... like Windows. Unless you see Microsoft moving away from Metro Windows apps (not happening)... RT is future proof.
Liberty4all
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Any word on which one is better? Surface RT or the Nokia 2520?
The Abominable Snowman
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Apparently, making cheap yet well built hardware
And it can't even compete with W8 in that area either, apparently
2520 has better camera, LTE standard and NFC. SoCs are comparable though the Nokia's S800 edges out the Tegra 4. 2520 is a tad smaller and weighs less. It's $50 more though.
Chiaroscuro
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Liberty4all
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thanks!
there is a difference between tablet and phone. WP can't multitask etc. Also I'm sure you've seen how iPhone apps look on an iPad. mark this post RT and WP will merge, at the very least in the short term you will be able to run RT/Win phone apps on each other
You make good points and I concede that I don't want a tablet that runs RT, Android or iOS.
Your argument still doesn't tell me what RT isn't selling as much as the others though.
I know of 1 person that has an RT device. He regrets it
Yep. Waiting for some reviews of the Dell Venue
brain_stew
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Now that we have Bay Trail, there's no advantage in releasing an RT tablet. Porting Windows to ARM has served its purpose in getting Intel's mobile strategy into gear, now let RT die a quick death.
If I would guess why RT isn't selling:
- People think it's a gimped OS for some reason, but it's not
- It's not cheap enough to compete with Android, and it's not well established enough to compete against iOS/ iPads.
I assure you, based on OS quality and features, WinRT can easily compete with Android and iOS. I have a Surface RT and I absolutely love this device.
I am thinking of buying my wife an RT device. She mainly uses a computer for watching videos, PDFs, and office stuff. I figure it does everything she needs, and it is probably safer from viruses/resource hogging.
I am leaning toward one of the nokia tablets or a surface RT.
I am leaning toward one of the nokia tablets or a surface RT.
Bay Trail has significantly slower GPU performance compared to the Tegra 4 and Snapdragon 800.
It's this. I call it the 150% rule. If something is established you need to be at least 50% better to even enter consideration. Most people don't tend to bounce around, they stick to something unless something else is much, much better. Windows RT does some interesting things but it's not really better in very many ways, certainly it's best isn't 50% better so most people won't even look at it.
Technically it does because of LTE, but for someone like me who already tethers multiple devices to my phone, the LTE addition is kinda pointless :-/ I wish I could get it for cheaper without LTE support.
How does it having LTE make it cheaper than a Surface 2?
dem
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