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North Korea says missile could carry nuclear warhead; hit US
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/14/asia/north-korea-missile-test-russia-japan/index.html

(CNN) - North Korea said Sunday's test-fire of a ground-to-ground ballistic missile proved the missile is capable of carrying a large nuclear warhead, state news agency KCNA said in a report Monday.

North Korea warned the United States not to provoke the nation, saying the "US mainland and Pacific operations" are within range of North Korean missiles, KCNA said.

 

[fluffydelusions]

North Korea said Sunday's test-fire of a ground-to-ground ballistic missile proved the missile is capable of carrying a large nuclear warhead, state news agency KCNA said in a report Monday.

The country's leader, Kim Jong Un, supervised the launch of the Hwasong-12 missile that reached an altitude of 2,111.5 kilometers (1,312 miles) and flew 787 kilometers (489 miles), KCNA said. That's higher and closer to Russia than other North Korean tests, according to US officials.
The test was "aimed at verifying the tactical and technological specifications of the newly developed ballistic rocket capable of carrying a large-size heavy nuclear warhead," KCNA said.
US officials said the missile launched near the city of Kusong, in western North Korea, flew across the country and into the Sea of Japan/East Sea, hitting the water about 60 miles from Vladivostok in eastern Russia.
Japan's Defense Ministry said the missile reached an altitude of 2,000 kilometers (1,240 miles) and flew for 30 minutes.

More at the link:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/14/asia/....html?adkey=bn1133PMStoryLink&linkId=37578592

 

[CalamityPixel]

Trump would probably be impressed if they could hit a hole in one on the US.

 

[Pilgrimzero]

Well that's suicidal of them.

 

[Mutanthands]

More at the link:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/14/asia/....html?adkey=bn1133PMStoryLink&linkId=37578592

Sucidal motherfucker. You're not dealing with a reasonable person here, Kim. Have you seen what a mess our president is?

 

[Xando]

Probably can't reach mainland yet but everyone of these tests get them closer to an ICBM

Sucidal motherfucker. You're not dealing with a reasonable person here, Kim. Have you seen what a mess our president is?

That's why he wants an ICBM asap.
Trump is more likely to say fuck SK than to say fuck California.

 

[Tagg9]

No one believes you, North Korea.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Sucidal motherfucker. You're not dealing with a reasonable person here, Kim. Have you seen what a mess our president is?

Deterrence isn't suicidal.

 

[Zolo]

They can't, but as has been stated:

Sucidal motherfucker. You're not dealing with a reasonable person here, Kim. Have you seen what a mess our president is?

 

[Geist-]

It will probably go something like this:

 

[Jonnax]

What's North Korea playing at?

In the days of Obama it could just be seen as posturing. But there's a good chance that Trump will invade =/

 

[Gallbaro]

Probably can't reach mainland yet but everyone of these tests get them closer to an ICBM

That's why he wants an ICBM asap.
Trump is more likely to say fuck SK than to say fuck California.

North Korea plays a game where only one person can be an irrational actor.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

What's North Korea playing at?

In the days of Obama it could just be seen as posturing. But there's a good chance that Trump will invade =/

Trump won't invade and they know it

China may stage a coupe de tat' though

 

[Stinkles]

Deterrence isn't suicidal.

Who do you think cares about detterence here? Only thing Kim cares about is continuing to be a regional shitshow to stay in power and maintain the status quo. He's not interested in attacking or defending.

 

[TimeEffect]

What's North Korea playing at?

In the days of Obama it could just be seen as posturing. But there's a good chance that Trump will invade =/

Fake us out until they do it for real

 

[PoorChoices]

 

[qcf x2]

60 miles from Russia? That's close. Also, what if it had landed somewhere in DPRK? I know Kim don't care but jeez.

 

[Xando]

What's North Korea playing at?

Deterrence.
With everyone of these tests they get closer to a working ICBM

 

[Marvel]

Doubt it.

 

[Mutanthands]

Deterrence isn't suicidal.

Deterrence assumes that both parties understand the concept of MAD. And considering any realistic retaliatory impact comes from a third party who's kind of pissed at them at the moment (China), it's not a good strategy to pull you dick out and wave it in the general direction of an idiot egomaniac with a cabinet half full of yes men.

 

[Xando]

Who do you think cares about detterence here? Only thing Kim cares about is continuing to be a regional shitshow to stay in power and maintain the status quo. He's not interested in attacking or defending.

NKs sole foreign policy of the last 50 years is based on building up a conventional or nuclear deterrence against a what they believe imminent US invasion

 

[always crazy bacon]

OK, Fat Kim.

 

[Bubba_Sparks]

Deterrence isn't suicidal.

Except for the fact that North Korea never has nor never will possess a credible nuclear deterrence against the United States. A preemptive nuclear strike by the US would obliterate North Korea, let alone their ability to respond with conventional or nuclear weapons. They don't even posses a nuclear triad, so there is no chance their arsenal would be able to survive a preemptive nuclear strike by the United States.

 

[Beartruck]

Trump dont give a fuck about your deterrence. California gets nuked and he'll smile. People that voted against him would be dead and he'd have a righteous war to boost approval ratings.

 

[pulsemyne]

This was all about pissing off china and Russia given the meeting currently going on in Beijing. NK wants them to put pressure on the US and they think they can do this by saying "We can hit you too if we want." to russia and china. Of course saying that to China is one thing but I doubt Putin liked it one bit. I think fatty may want to keep a close eye on his diet soon and make sure it's not spiking a geiger counter.

 

[Volimar]

Well....US-ish

I mean, maybe somewhere in the North America area.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

They're playing with fire if they think accidentally hitting Russian territory with a missile test is going to be OK. 60 miles off Vladivostok? Really?

Maybe Putin can go and do the job that neither China nor the US want to do. Everyone knows Putin is ruthless, just ask Chechnya.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Trump dont give a fuck about your deterrence. California gets nuked and he'll smile. People that voted against him would be dead and he'd have a righteous war to boost approval ratings.

Sounds like the next Tom Clancy novel or Kevin Spacey plan.

They're playing with fire if they think accidentally hitting Russian territory with a missile test is going to be OK. 60 miles off Vladivostok? Really?

Maybe Putin can go and do the job that neither China nor the US want to do. Everyone knows Putin is ruthless, just ask Chechnya.

I can't imagine Putin moving enough resources that far East.

 

[Xando]

Except for the fact that North Korea never has nor never will possess a credible nuclear deterrence against the United States. A preemptive nuclear strike by the US would obliterate North Korea, let alone their ability to respond with conventional or nuclear weapons. They don't even posses a nuclear triad, so there is no chance their arsenal would be able to survive a preemptive nuclear strike by the United States.

As if the US is ever going to preemptively nuke a country. Let alone a country that would spread fallout all over china and sk.

 

[Kusagari]

I have no idea why they're trying to play these games with Putin. He has zero reason to entertain their crap unlike China.

 

[Mutanthands]

As if the US is ever going to preemptively nuke a country. Let alone a country that would spread fallout all over china and sk.

True. But a preemptive convential strike from an administration that may not understand the consequences is a concern. One would hope that the military would be able to talk Trump out of something like that, but he is desperately in need of a distraction.

 

[enewtabie]

Except for the fact that North Korea never has nor never will possess a credible nuclear deterrence against the United States. A preemptive nuclear strike by the US would obliterate North Korea, let alone their ability to respond with conventional or nuclear weapons. They don't even posses a nuclear triad, so there is no chance their arsenal would be able to survive a preemptive nuclear strike by the United States.

Exactly,there's Ohio Class subs near there now. Whats the launch time on those to NK. A few mins at best? People equate Nukes with WW2, but it's several times more on just one and it's 26(I think) on one of those boats. I'm sure there's at least 2-3 in the area. There's never going to be a deterrence.

 

[Biske]

Except for the fact that North Korea never has nor never will possess a credible nuclear deterrence against the United States. A preemptive nuclear strike by the US would obliterate North Korea, let alone their ability to respond with conventional or nuclear weapons. They don't even posses a nuclear triad, so there is no chance their arsenal would be able to survive a preemptive nuclear strike by the United States.

Doesn't North Korea have like a million soldiers and an underground network of weapons that we can only speculate about?


As much as North Korea is otherwise hopelessly outmatched, going to war with them would be a horrific debacle on every level.


I don't think the US would go that total war on them.

 

[lastplayed]

 

[Bubba_Sparks]

As if the US is ever going to preemptively nuke a country. Let alone a country that would spread fallout all over china and sk.

It doesn't matter, the fact that they posses the capability is what defines the legitimacy of North Korea's nuclear deterrent. North Korea can't survive a US nuclear strike, and therefor can't deter the US from pursuing that course of action.

Exactly,there's Ohio Class subs near there now. Whats the launch time on those to NK. A few mins at best? People equate Nukes with WW2, but it's several times more on just one and it's 26(I think) on one of those boats. I'm sure there's at least 2-3 in the area. There's never going to be a deterrence.

Yes, the Ohio class are one aspect of the nuclear triad. Though I am not even sure if North Korea posses the ability to detect US nuclear launches so I am not sure if reaction time is a factor.

Doesn't North Korea have like a million soldiers and an underground network of weapons that we can only speculate about?


As much as North Korea is otherwise hopelessly outmatched, going to war with them would be a horrific debacle on every level.


I don't think the US would go that total war on them.

North Korean conventional forces would be completely obliterated in a single nuclear strike by the US.

Let me put it into perspective. Assuming they use the maximum possible yield and a maximum number of warheads per missile, a single salvo from an Ohio ballistic missile submarine would posses around 9,120 times the destructive force of the Little Boy bomb dropped on Hiroshima during World War II...and there are 14 Ohio class ballistic missile submarines in service.

 

[Not]

New Zealand huh. OK OK see you guys soon

 

[streetsahead123]

Doesn't North Korea have like a million soldiers and an underground network of weapons that we can only speculate about?

Yes. People seem to think that if NK launched a missile at us, we'd just shoot it down and blow them to bits with no repercussions but it would be so much messier than that.

 

[SomTervo]

Trump dont give a fuck about your deterrence. California gets nuked and he'll smile. People that voted against him would be dead and he'd have a righteous war to boost approval ratings.

God damn

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

Living in Newfoundland so I should be a-okay.


Still stupid of NK.

 

[foxuzamaki]

Why are they warning us not to provoke them when we have over a thousand more missles

 

[Beartruck]

Yes. People seem to think that if NK launched a missile at us, we'd just shoot it down and blow them to bits with no repercussions but it would be so much messier than that.

Yeah. The DMZ can stop a lot of people but it couldn't take a million man suicide charge. That would fuck Seoul far harder than any artillery strike could.

 

[Extollere]

Didn't North Korea just say a few days ago that there were open to talks with the United States? Better tone down the rhetoric and decide what you want.

Doesn't North Korea have like a million soldiers and an underground network of weapons that we can only speculate about?


As much as North Korea is otherwise hopelessly outmatched, going to war with them would be a horrific debacle on every level.


I don't think the US would go that total war on them.

So... hypothetically, if North Korea continues to escalate this, what options outside of sanctions does the US have, assuming we intervene? A ground war sounds absurd. We wouldn't use nuclear weapons as a preventative measure. Do we lob a couple tomahawk missiles over at military targets and then hope they don't unload on South Korea? Every option sounds shitty. Even waiting sounds shitty, and that could be the best option.

 

[tci]

It will probably go something like this:

What if both are small men?

 

[onken]

Doesn't North Korea have like a million soldiers and an underground network of weapons that we can only speculate about?


As much as North Korea is otherwise hopelessly outmatched, going to war with them would be a horrific debacle on every level.


I don't think the US would go that total war on them.

90% would defect day one.

 

[malfcn]

NK is still more likely to nuke themselves. In the end, same result. If they try were to successfully nuke, they would be a memory.

 

[mj1108]

Watch Trump jump all over this in an effort to distract from the Russia story.

 

[Regulus Tera]

It will probably go something like this:

Maybe it's just me but I would rather not play a game of poker where the cards involve nukes.

 

[How About No]

Sucidal motherfucker. You're not dealing with a reasonable person here, Kim. Have you seen what a mess our president is?

"Wait, I thought that was all stuff our State -Run Media said to make him look bad. All that shit about him was real??"

 

[Biske]

90% would defect day one.

Maybe.

But I doubt South Koreans would be cool with that assurance.


"doooooooon't worry guys, you probably won't get fucked, let us fuck around and probably a lot will give up? Whats the worst that could happen?"


If we actually attack North Korea and don't cripple their means of attack, the regime basically has no choice but to try and wipe South Korea off the map.


Thats a nightmare scenario under any president, but under baited with a tweet, "people will like it if I fire Comey", "I'd rather be golfing" Trump? Jesus christ.


Don't be so certain its a hunky dory cake walk folks.

 

[Gallbaro]

90% would defect day one.

Where do you get that number from? The military is the one well fed prob of the populous, as with any good dictator, and they have their families to worry about.